Getting a Thai Work Permit

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Getting a Thai Work Permit

Post by lee » January 16, 2010, 10:59 am

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Getting a Thailand Work Permit

The application procedure

Ok, so you have either been lucky enough to have been offered a job by a prospective employer, or you and your partner/friend are starting up a business in Thailand and you need to be able to work ‘legally’ for them.

First off, as long as you have the required Non Immigrant ‘B’ (for Business) visa, then I will move onto the perils and pitfalls of obtaining a work permit to enable you to actually be able to ‘do something and earn an income’ whilst enjoying your time in the Kingdom of Thailand.

Required paperwork for a Thai work permit

Below is a list of the papers that are generally required from any potential employee to start an application for a work permit:

a. Photocopy of the main identification/picture page (this is the page with your photo and passport number)
b. Your non-immigrant ‘B’ visa (It may be worth taking a couple of copies as well just in case)
c. Photocopy of the passport page with your current visa entrance stamp
d. Photocopy of your entry / departure card (TM6)
e. A doctor's medical certificate stating you that are in good health (this can be arranged quickly in Udon Thani / Nong Khai and should cost less than 100 baht and you may not be required to sit any actual physical examination
f. Two 4 x 5cm colour photos (this is the photo size used by most photo shops throughout Thailand for Visas, not the Passport photo size which is very different)
g. Two to Five Thousand baht (depending on the area and field you are working in, along with the length of your work permit)
h. Photocopy of your degree, resume or curriculum vitae - sometimes they require it be certified by your country's embassy (this means taking your degree etc. to your own embassy in Thailand, probably Bangkok), declaring it is a true and original document and then paying a certification fee
i. All of the original paperwork stated above
j. Additionally, your employer/business partner will be required to submit tax and legal documents concerning the nature of their business and employees.

When you have gathered all of the above together, there will be a number of forms to complete, all available from your local Government Labour Office and online from the Government website, http://www.doe.go.th – location of the labour office in Udon Thani is Pracha Uthit Road, Udon Thani Map Ref: N8 and Nong Khai is inside the Government Office Buildings located on Nong Khai Map Ref: H7.

Once all the forms have been completed, return them to your local Government Labour Office along with the free, and fingers crossed, you should now be in possession of your work permit.
Here are a few more tips and guidelines to help smooth the process along:

a. The job description is often the most important factor in the approval or denial process of a work permit. Unless the applicant’s job description necessitates skills that a Thai is not likely to have, then the application will probably not be approved.
b. Once you submit the documents for a work permit, you must not let your visa expire. The Labour Office Department’s system tracks the non immigrant ‘B’ visa you presented on your application to the work permit paperwork. Even if you have a double or multiple entry visa, you can’t leave the country again without invalidating your work permit papers. If you do have to leave the country and return on the same visa, you must get a reentry permit from your nearest Immigration office in Udon or Nong Khai. If you can’t get your work permit application approved prior to your visa expiring, then you may have to get your visa extended. You can get an ``under consideration'' extension of up to three.



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Re: Getting a Work Permit

Post by Texpat » January 16, 2010, 6:52 pm

By degree, do you mean diploma or transcript?

Wouldn't an original, official transcript, on school letterhead, embossed and signed -- listing classes taken, dates of classes, grade received, and final degree granted be more meaningful than the ceremonial piece of paper that is easily duplicated? When requested, US universities will mail transcripts directly to any prospective employer or government institution anywhere in the world.

Just askin'.

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Post by Khun Paul » January 17, 2010, 7:36 am

In many cases the Educational Ministry will undertake to confirm the exisistence of a real degree with the issuing college/university, however in many cases, the copy of the original will in many cases suffice.

if one starts ones own company the porceedure is not disimilar but easier. You must as always remember the jobs that are by law restricted to Thais only, in that the Work permit office are very strict.
Although one may own 49% of the company one cannot work but the issuance of a Work permit will allow you to deal with some aspects legally.

This may seem a bane to some people and when you have a work permit, tax and social security will have to be paid too, but that does have its advantages I can tell you.

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Post by pompui » January 17, 2010, 8:43 am

According to this helpful webpage,fees have changed,a new list of jobs allowed will be issued soon.

http://www.gazlannathai.com/eye/2010/01 ... to-change/

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Post by Aardvark » January 17, 2010, 9:02 am

pompui wrote:According to this helpful webpage,fees have changed,a new list of jobs allowed will be issued soon.

http://www.gazlannathai.com/eye/2010/01 ... to-change/
Interesting reading, and good to see the Journalist was not surprised that Foreigners saw it as another way of collecting tea money. I look forward to seeing the new list.

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Post by Astana » January 17, 2010, 12:22 pm

Khun Paul wrote:In many cases the Educational Ministry will undertake to confirm the exisistence of a real degree with the issuing college/university, however in many cases, the copy of the original will in many cases suffice.

if one starts ones own company the porceedure is not disimilar but easier. You must as always remember the jobs that are by law restricted to Thais only, in that the Work permit office are very strict.
Although one may own 49% of the company one cannot work but the issuance of a Work permit will allow you to deal with some aspects legally.

This may seem a bane to some people and when you have a work permit, tax and social security will have to be paid too, but that does have its advantages I can tell you.
What are the advantages that you allude too?

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Post by Khun Paul » January 17, 2010, 1:53 pm

Weol you get no hassle from any ministry, thats a bonus and you can then deal with your business on a personal level instead on relying on a THAI to deal with financial matters and the like and you also get a helth /social security card which in fact does entitle you to free ( yes folks Free) health care at a designated hospital NOT AEK but it can be paolo or wattana. obvioulsly not the major stuff but out patients and the like, my broiken hand fixed,x-rayed, treated free including drugs and the like.
There are hidden advantages which may or may not be of benefit, but that will depend on your business etc:-

I have done this for 6 years now and never any problem with any government agency at all including Land or even Amphur

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Post by Nick@AUA » January 17, 2010, 2:18 pm

Actually Lee, you can get a work permit on a Non-immigrant O visa also (as long as it isn't for retirement).

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Post by lee » January 17, 2010, 3:07 pm

Texpat wrote:By degree, do you mean diploma.
I believe a copy of the diploma will suffice.
Nick@AUA wrote:Actually Lee, you can get a work permit on a Non-immigrant O visa also (as long as it isn't for retirement).
Good point there Nick. Also I believe the visa process for a Non O visa (marriage) is less complicated than the Non B (business), which requires submitting numerous company account records and tax forms.

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Post by Astana » January 17, 2010, 3:18 pm

Khun Paul wrote:Weol you get no hassle from any ministry, thats a bonus and you can then deal with your business on a personal level instead on relying on a THAI to deal with financial matters and the like and you also get a helth /social security card which in fact does entitle you to free ( yes folks Free) health care at a designated hospital NOT AEK but it can be paolo or wattana. obvioulsly not the major stuff but out patients and the like, my broiken hand fixed,x-rayed, treated free including drugs and the like.
There are hidden advantages which may or may not be of benefit, but that will depend on your business etc:-

I have done this for 6 years now and never any problem with any government agency at all including Land or even Amphur
I get the impression that you would set up a company (limited partnership & up etc.) to obtain a work permit, pay the tax up front and not have to bother with any other form of visa until you reapply or extend your work permit the following, is that correct?

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Post by The Farmer » January 17, 2010, 5:48 pm

My Workpermit is on Non "O".
Many years already.
Is there anybody who knows about getting a work permit if you have a retired visa?
Some told me,you can't,but I am not sure.
Thanks
Nobi

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Post by crazydrummerpauly » January 28, 2010, 2:40 pm

I believe that having a Work Permit is also a real advantage for anyone who thinks it is
worth applying for Thai Citizenship. A 'real job' + being a 'pillar of the community', i.e.,
having the right connections and 'making merit', being here for 5 years 'continuously', and
having good Thai langauge skills +++ are all required I believe. I think the actual wording
is 'gainfully employed'. Although as ever, there is 'some flexibility' regarding the last 2,
especially if the applicant has done 'exceptionally good deeds for the country'. Oh, and you
have to be over 20, the Thai legal adult age. Some might think that living and spending
here is already doing 'exceptionally good deeds for the country' !

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Post by Khun Paul » January 29, 2010, 4:54 am

I get the impression that you would set up a company (limited partnership & up etc.) to obtain a work permit, pay the tax up front and not have to bother with any other form of visa until you reapply or extend your work permit the following, is that correct?
Your Visa is a completely seperate thing.
Visa and Woirk permit, you have to have one before you get the other. The Visa's are run my the Immigration, the Wrok permit by a completely seperate arm of Thai govt.

Tax and Social Security are paid in accordance with Thai Law, as well as any other Taxes deemed necessary by the Tessa Ban etc:- Also incliuding any licences that are required.
it is interesting to note that many Thai small businesses I have come across do NOT pay to any form of Social security for their staff and often pay less than the minimum wage.
However my accountant was asked by the Inland revenue if I paid the minimum wage, my accountants reply cannot be posted, but the question was asked as I was a farang, not THAI.

At first it seems to be a complex way of doing business ( well it is) but over time it soprts itself out.

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Post by panick » January 31, 2010, 10:00 pm

Khun Paul wrote: Your Visa is a completely seperate thing.
Correct!
Visa and Woirk permit, you have to have one before you get the other
Not everytime [-X

If you find a place of employment here and you are back in the UK, you can, obtain a headed letter from your future employer and submit it with your B2 visa application at the same time ( and if all goes well ) so you have your B2 and permit ( pending ) on arrival ... but ... you might have to wait up to 10mnths before you see your little blue book :roll:

A word of warning .... what ever work you have a permit for and where you have stated you work is ALL you are permitted to do unless you inform the government of impending changes

eg: If you have a permit for only selling beer in a bar .... it does not cover you for cooking and serving food unless have your permit amended

If you're teaching English and change schools .... you have to have your permit amended

Get the general idea? :-k
The Farmer wrote:My Workpermit is on Non "O".
Many years already.
Is there anybody who knows about getting a work permit if you have a retired visa?
Some told me,you can't,but I am not sure.
Thanks
Nobi


As far as I know you cannot have a work permit on a retirement visa without revoking your retirement status and having your visas changed to suit :-k

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Post by Firfox » June 21, 2011, 3:39 pm

Really interesting thread.

Does anyone know whether it is possible for a one hundred percent Thai owned limited partnership registered company to be able to apply for a work permit in Udon Thani. I am aware that a key document is the Job description ( showing that a Thai National would not have the relevant skills to undertake the work). If it is possible would the company have to employ a set number of Thais before being able to employ a westerner. The company would be starting an English Language School. Initially the school would only require one English Teacher(myself). I already have a Masters Degree and a Cert TESOL qualification. In relation to the school obtaining a license we are well underway with this part of the process and have already held meeting with the appropriate government officials in Udon Thani. If anyone had the direct telephpne number for the Labour Office in Udon could you kindly post it in your reply. Thank you.
Any assistance in answering these questions will be most appreciated.

Kindest regards

Andy

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Post by Khun Paul » June 21, 2011, 3:50 pm

Firefox if you are already talking to Government officals about the setting up of a school, I am sure they can point you in he right direction and even assist in your Work permit problems. each application is different, be guided by them I would but then not many people listen to me.

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Post by randy721 » August 13, 2011, 6:29 pm

What would happen to a person if they help a person sell his house with out a work permit or license.

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