Are Farangs 'sticky/stingy/tight/kee Neow.....?

[KHONDAHM]

So you are saying that a wife who has our economy in control is a boring f@rt?

No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that a wife does not need to be kee neow to be a good wife, especially if there is no need for it because you can easily afford a better lifestyle. My wife has never controlled my "economy", she just goes ahead and spends it.

So you are saying that a wife who has our economy in control is a boring f@rt?

Oh, to be sure, there are times when our wives (or at least my wife) takes THOUGHTFUL splurges. When she feels like eating sushi, she eats sushi. When she feels like going to a spa, she goes to a spa.

It's just that having grown up poor (as did I), we both look at things in a practical manner. For example, we could afford to be driving around in luxury cars, but there is no point when a second hand SUV for her and the kids and a samlor for me gets us both to where we want to go. She could afford weekly shopping binges for the latest fashions paid from her own account, but there is no point when she's already got her man and he thinks she is still sexy as hell in a THB 50 ensemble bought from the same source where the night market vendors buy their inventory. She could be treating her friends and family out to lunch and dinners, but everyone is much more comfortable making som-tam together and eating it while chattering away on the porch. She could talk on the phone endlessly rather than stop and only accept incoming calls when her weekly THB 100 top-up is gone. I could go on.

I'll go out on a limb and say that from what I have observed from my "ethnically unique perspective", when many a TGF gets the promotion to TW, they try to act the part, try to be the part, or try to trick other (Thais) into overlooking that they are from Isaan and not from Bangkok (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism). They try by surrounding themselves with luxuries and change their spending habits to make other (Thais) envious. Strip the thick gold jewelry and the falang husband and many are right back to being just "from Isaan".

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"We" in America went through the same thing for decades but eventually got over that hump during the '90's. I have observed many parallels here in Thailand (find a pic of the Yellow/Red shirt negotiations and pay attention to who is sitting on each side of the table - if you can find one where they don't lighten up the picture as they always do) but they will eventually get over that hump, too.
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I think the thing we are saying is that a "good wife" (as we see it) is one who shares our values, treats us like the loving and caring husbands we are, is comfortable with being who she is and where she comes from, and doesn't change her ways simply because she is wealthier with us than before us. (Yes, my wife is fking AWESOME!!! ) One who understands fully that frugality and being khee-neow (or however one wants to spell it phonetically) are as similar as a a golf ball and an egg. From a distance they may look the same, but certainly are not when examined closely.

[udonuk1]

Hm, these posts give the impression that MOST Thai ladies are kind, and careful with your money, i think 99% are not, they just want to screw as much money as they can from you, they want easy easy life not working, distributing YOUR hard earned, hard saved cash to their relatives , who never saved a satang in THEIR LIVES. I am not talking about women bar girls, here, but the regular ones too. They have the impression that farangs are stupid , they call us all "bird ----" behind our backs.

Personally, if Thai "family" law favoured women as much as in the english speaking world, i believe Thai ladies would be MUCH MUCH worse than their western sisters.

I do believe that there are a few good Thai ladies around with personal morals, and it is great to hear about these few, but i think that also many farangs have not yet graduated from Water Buffalo university yet (hehe i like that expression WBU Alum). These farangs will get great lesson in life from these greedy entitlement Thai ladies, yes.

Some posts here do not seem to make the difference between Kee Niao for SHARED things and Kee Niao towards the Thai Wife/gf. These greedy Thai ladies WANT you to be Kee Niao when it comes to spending on YOU, but they want to bleed you dry when it comes to spending money on THEM.

I have only had 1 Tgf from Udon, she said initially that she wanted "farang with good heart, only for love nothing else". Well, after only 3 days of knowing each other, she turned up at my appartment with suitcase, saying she wants to stay a week, because she loves me. We had great time for 7 days, i paid for everything, clothes, cinema, bowling, food. Well, after 1 week, she gave me CheckBin for the week's "work". (I paid it btw but not the second one).

But , in general, WHY should men work and give money to women ? They earn equal salaries in the west, and many in Thailand get ok salaries . Since the 70s , men have changed behaviour towards women, but women have REMAINED greedy entitlement princesses leeching off men, and ALL the laws in the english speaking world FAVOUR them .

Womens' behaviour now has to change now too. Men must learn to choose the few good women out there, i am jealous of posters who have found these nice Thai ladies. Don't you think that the attractive ones are the worst , or is it just my experience ?









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[kjellsnell]

You cant compare your ....hmm...experience....or less of experience with other people on this forum who have long time relationship with thai women. For me it looks like you take a bargirl home for week and then have to pay the bill yah.....and to compare your bad story and less of experience on this one time bargirl story is an insult to all the good women in this country. How can you even say that you think that 99% of thai women are the same sort as your "girlfriend" when you never have a relationship with a real thai women?

[JR]

udonuk1
Have you had experience with just one thai lady and who happened to come from Udon or was it one of the thai ladies you met who was from Udon?
You seem to be unaware of the huge differencies in thai and western cultures and ways of thinking. You compare earnings in the west with earnings here in Thailand. There is no comparison. And asian ladies do not have to change into western women and the way they think. I hope they never will.
It seems that you have had some bad experience with a thai lady and therefore assume that all thai ladies are the same. You also seem to have limited experience with women in general and asian women in particular and should therefore not make sweeping judgements over them. You tell us about a lady from Udon whom you kept as company for a week and then she asked for payment. Which you paid. Why? If you paid everything for her, clothes, meals etc, why should you pay her a salary if she was not a "working" girl and you had made an agreement from the beginning as to how much you should give her?
It is your money and if you want to give her money for staying with you, up to you. But do not complain afterwards if you do.

[MALC]

i know that when my wife is in uk she has her farang head on the minute she is in thailand she gets her thai head on and there is a difference. the daughter is the same.my freinds say the same when they come back for holliday.

[KHONDAHM]

Don't you think that the attractive ones are the worst , or is it just my experience ?

From my own past experience when I was single, I would have to agree with that statement. The "average" looking ones had a much better disposition and the "meh" ones were the best to be around from a personality perspective.

[rick]

So, Udonuk thinks 90% are only interested in ripping you off. Hmm. Am i just lucky? Maybe i haven't known dozens of girls, but of the half dozen or so only one was close to that, and i could see that coming. I have also been invited to the family dinner at a restaurant to meet the new potential GF; it was not an expensive restaurant, no-one ordered loads of food and drink and they offered to pay half; they also paid for the transport. Another friend never asked for money once (but i usually paid for dinner). I have paid for the odd shopping trolley but take-aways from the road side stalls are usually her responsibility. OK, there have been one or 2 times the money gets spent on different things to the intended purpose, but few women are perfect!

Getting burnt once ok, sometimes the long term agenda, but if you are being sytematically taken to the cleaners every week, there is something wrong in the women you choose, or the way you treat them. My experiences have been at least 80% good.

Am i kee neow? Maybe, but I would just say careful - if you are in Thailand for the long haul, you have to make the budget last until the money comes again. Some of us are not rich, and we do not have friendly banks anymore!

[udonuk1]

I am an tall ,dark, still handsome, educated middle class man, i would never go with a bar girl. Maybe i was a little naive when i arrived in Thailand, yes, but i am NOT ANY MORE after 6 months in Udon I must have had 60 or so dates in Udon, i would say that nearly all were VERY greedy, cheating ladies in one way or another.

Yes i would say that it has been a great lesson for me. But i know of Thai ladies who have cheated men (Kiwi farmers seem to the most naive men) of businesses, houses, cars. They have to have the Water Buffalo University lesson themselves too , i suppose, good for them !!!

One lady, i met at bowling alley, she told me how rich she was, she jetted to Singapore every week because she was a business woman, i spent the whole day with her, she continued telling me how successful she was, showed me pictures of her house , car. Well of course she paid for nothing all day ! Then there the typical cheats who pretend that they have problems with car "I need 15,000 baht NOW", then there are ones who, after ONLY 5 minutes meeting them, ask me to give them my IPhone ! Hello, Sawatdee Ka, "Can i have your IPhone please ?", is a (slightly) condensed conversation with these women. Then there are ones who order pizzas to take away "for ron - later ron" , for them and their neighbours to eat later. I know personally of many Thai ladies in Udon who have sponsors who buy them a business, and they have boyfriends on the side, go to Mr Tongs looking for more farangs, of course this is a CLASSIC thing for Thai ladies to do, but it is an eye opener for many men.

My current girlfriend (one of better ones), asked me to buy her a coffee shop after a few weeks ! She looked daggers when i said maybe in the future !

Then there are the ladies who say that they look for "good man to take care", it turns out that on the date, they try to sell you things , all night, expensive, American franchise stuff, hilarious !!! I also met a lady, very very sexy, she married an American, WHO SHE MET ON THE INTERNET WHO NEVER MET HER ! He sent her 1 million baht for the wedding party, she left him 2 weeks after the "wedding" party. No doubt pocketing MOST of the million baht. Then there was a young university lady, after only 2 days, she said she wanted 20 baht of gold ! Gold at 1200 USD an ounce !

You also meet a few prostitutes "I look for true love with good farang to take care", they always want to meet you in your hotel, or at your appartment, they then say, "I need pee" so they can go to your room, and then are difficult to get rid of.

A common occurrence is the free feed for friends, 1 translator or friend is acceptable, but some ladies bring 4, 5 friends, Katoeys, order takeaways. Stupid farang is paying, they laugh behind our backs.

Then there are the ones who SPEAK NO ENGLISH ! You have been chatting with them for hours, they have told you that they learn english at high school, but it has all been a pack of lies ! You have been whispering sweet nothings to the village translator, maybe a man. You have nothing to communicate with this lady, you are a little dumb with shock ! But sometimes you get lucky, the translator is a little sexy, so sometimes OK (this was one of the few nice ladies i met, but even she was cheating with her American Visa sponsor ).

Then , of course there are Thai relatives, even greedier troglodytes who live in houses with NO furniture, anything you buy them for present, will be taken to the pawn shop the day after you leave ! They will ask for extornionate amounts for the "Sin Sot", so you can have the dubious pleasure of keeping her Thai highness. They earn very little maybe, but they will ask you for 100s of thousands of baht so you can marry their "now favourite" niece.

And even after all this, SOME OF THEM STILL CALL YOU Kee Niao

I do meet these ladies online, they are honey traps, i know. Of course the best way is to meet pleasant regular ladies in a normal way where they cannot entrap you, you trap them !

But in general, I would also like to warn men about JUST HOW EXACTLY Thai ladies ARE ! I appreciate the happy stories , i can believe them, some seem a little naive (Mr Kjsnell) but for many men here who think that they are married to bewitching Thai lady, i wonder what would happen if you had no money ?

But it is BLEEDIN OBVIOUS that this disgraceful behaviour is just NOT acceptable ! You CANNOT dismiss it as "typical women". The sourse of the "materialistic" is the Latin word "Mater" - WOMAN !

Human beings with morals should not act like this. It is ALL because MEN are so emotionally dependent on women, and the rich men think that these women really love them, but only find out the truth when they divorce them and steal all his money.

Men can only change this behaviour by MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way, even in Thailand !

PS Congratulations to all men who have met GOOD women ! Lucky Ba####ds !

[arjay]

Where you meet your lady can improve (or reduce) the odds of finding a good one, though agreed one cannot and should not generalise.

UMSTB

[udonuk1]

udonuk1
Have you had experience with just one thai lady and who happened to come from Udon or was it one of the thai ladies you met who was from Udon?
You seem to be unaware of the huge differencies in thai and western cultures and ways of thinking. You compare earnings in the west with earnings here in Thailand. There is no comparison. And asian ladies do not have to change into western women and the way they think. I hope they never will.
It seems that you have had some bad experience with a thai lady and therefore assume that all thai ladies are the same. You also seem to have limited experience with women in general and asian women in particular and should therefore not make sweeping judgements over them. You tell us about a lady from Udon whom you kept as company for a week and then she asked for payment. Which you paid. Why? If you paid everything for her, clothes, meals etc, why should you pay her a salary if she was not a "working" girl and you had made an agreement from the beginning as to how much you should give her?
It is your money and if you want to give her money for staying with you, up to you. But do not complain afterwards if you do.

Many Thai s get good salaries you know ! Even in Udon, ladies with businesses, saleswomen - i know that my current Tgf gets 50K baht some months, (25K in normal months) 3% income tax here !
The Udon Gf mentioned above, told me first that she looks "only for love etc" , but at the end of week, she asked for money "for her sick daughter", it was all trickery and deception on her part, i am good good moral man (like MOST men), at least i think so ! I am sure that she thought i was Kee Niao too !

I had only 1 Udon Tgf because all the others were SO bad , i decided to stay single (and happy) , now with non Udon lady who is OK

MGTOW

Where you meet your lady can improve (or reduce) the odds of finding a good one, though agreed one cannot and should not generalise.

Good lesson for men seeking good Thai lady, yes

[JR]

In six months you had over 60 (sixty) dates with girls in Udon! And all of them scammers. That, I simply do not buy. No one can be that gullible or unfortunate to meet only deceiving ladies in 60 dates. How much do you yourself contribute to the alledged behaviour of these ladies? You have said that you have paid at times when you knew itwas not right. Why did you pay? If you fork out money in a situation when you really do not want to, then do not complain afterwards.
I have been with a few Thai ladies and there was one who was in it for free meals. One time only. But money is #1 in Thailand and if a lady feels, when you meet the first time, that you may be inclined to spend your money, she is not going to stop you. As long as you spend it on her. It is always up to YOU!
Now I have lived in Udon for over a year with my lady. She knows what she has and what we have, moneywise. One time a lady, who works in a bar here, wanted to borrow some money short term. I said no. Another time, a european man living in Udon, wanted to borrow money. I said no. You need to borrow money, go to a bank.

[kjellsnell]

# But in general, I would also like to warn men about JUST HOW EXACTLY Thai ladies ARE ! I appreciate the happy stories , i can believe them, some seem a little naive (Mr Kjsnell) but for many men here who think that they are married to bewitching Thai lady, i wonder what would happen if you had no money ? #

The last thing that people think about me is that i am naive.....he he.. =D> ..if you know me .....you soon find out!

I meen, you say you been whith all this womens and you still dont understand your own problems. As i say earlier, somebody digs on the wrong place and if you still dont understand that after meet 60 womens in Udonthani, you have a problem. You've only been here a short period of time and has so many negative experiences. There are many ways to learn life's great mysteries, and some kind of advice from someone experienced in this area can be helpful. Maybe the loveseminar can be something....?

tam dee - dai dee

[udonuk1]

In six months you had over 60 (sixty) dates with girls in Udon! And all of them scammers. That, I simply do not buy. No one can be that gullible or unfortunate to meet only deceiving ladies in 60 dates. How much do you yourself contribute to the alledged behaviour of these ladies? You have said that you have paid at times when you knew itwas not right. Why did you pay? If you fork out money in a situation when you really do not want to, then do not complain afterwards.
I have been with a few Thai ladies and there was one who was in it for free meals. One time only. But money is #1 in Thailand and if a lady feels, when you meet the first time, that you may be inclined to spend your money, she is not going to stop you. As long as you spend it on her. It is always up to YOU!
Now I have lived in Udon for over a year with my lady. She knows what she has and what we have, moneywise. One time a lady, who works in a bar here, wanted to borrow some money short term. I said no. Another time, a european man living in Udon, wanted to borrow money. I said no. You need to borrow money, go to a bank.

Yes about 60 dates in 6 months, in Udon , KK and Nong Khai, yes. including ones who didn't appear, sometimes 2 in 1 day. If you have ever been on a Thai dating website, you will know that during Thai evenings, there are few local farangs online at that time, all the European and Americans are at work/asleep. So you are inunDATED (hehe) with ladies, of course the ones who approach YOU may be predators (for that is WHAT they are ). I would advise men on dating sites to approach women, not other way around, and avoid Thai ladies who look for "generous man". After meeting so many female of the type i have previously described, yes you get very jaded, but it is quite exciting too having dates constantly , i have to admit.

I have NEVER said that i did not WANT to pay, all i did was describe what happened on my dates relevant to this thread.
I am not saying that i have problems Mr Kjsnell, "Love Seminar" sounds fun as if it all ends up in orgy, maybe i go ! hehe.
i am not looking in the wrong places. I just want to inform men of what Thai ladies do , and that THEY are the ones who are Kee Niao.

What i do o the date is just watch them , how they they behave. Yes i just pay up, of course the price of food is cheap here, not a big deal to farang. Sometimes when i realise that it will be a bigger scam, "day out in minibus with all the street", paying for "petroleum", "food", "entrance fees", yes i have to grit my teeth a little, but i just pay up, sabai, sabai !

But Thai ladies i have met , never fail to be greedy, and the funniest thing is that ........... they think they are all cleverer than farang and farang all so stupid.

One other Udon lady, she asked for 40,000 baht a month to be her husband ! No love involved, just a price. She spent one night with me , just because she thought this would "seal the deal".

But the worst ones are the ladies who say "brother lives in my family home" and the "brothers" are really the boyfriends !
Many of these women are NOT poor, they have cars paid for by sponsors and other farang victims, NO, they are simply greedy and MATERialistic. But some are nice, ones i have met who work 12 hour shifts in factories for tiny wages and REALLY appreciate it when you buy them some clothes at the night market, it is a pleasure to buy things for them.

Money maybe number 1 in Thailand, but many farang men THINK THESE WOMEN REALLY LOVE THEM ! That is the problem for me, the behaviour of these women is just PLAIN WRONG . Personally if a woman does not believe in sharing costs (according to incomes etc), i jettison her, PDQ, i just don't see WHY men should pay for women, what do they think they are giving us EXACTLY, sex only ?

[Galee]

Uk1, I'm curious to know what you would think of a lady who bought you presents and paid for the meals?

[Zidane]

Uk1, I'm curious to know what you would think of a lady who bought you presents and paid for the meals?

If she was about 23 years old and an absolute stunner I would be very wary as its obvious she only wants me for sex

[JR]

This udonuk1 is just TOO weird. Think it is a troll.

[KHONDAHM]

i am not looking in the wrong places.

A bit of constructive criticism: If you are finding these women online, my friend, you ARE looking in the wrong place. The fact that they are online should alert you that they do more than just chat with you. They are VERY well informed from various Thai sites (i.e. kapook.com, etc.) about how to lure you and operate their own freelance dating service for profit. Stories are all over the Thai net about how to do it and people giving advice about what to do in various situations they get you in or find themselves in. If you have been thinking that online dating in Thailand is similar to online dating in the West, you are dead wrong. While there may be a few who are sincere, the overwhelming majority see online dating as multiple opportunities to GET PAID.

(Generalizing here) The "nice" girls/ladies DO NOT spend much, if any time online. They are working 12-16 hour shifts at the hospital, or behind a counter somewhere, or at a factory, or in the fields. They don't have time (or perhaps the means) for "len internet" (playing on the internet).

Try this: The next time you come across some nice lady mopping a floor, tending a stall, etc., strike up a conversation with a smile and at some point ask her if she knows any good young lady looking for a falang. Tell her how to contact you and how long you will be around. Or, go to a hospital and innocently ask a nurse where the nurses hang out for fun (they don't because their schedule is too busy) and let that person know you are looking for a nice lady. Leave your contact info. These are just a couple of suggestions. You can meet a "good Thai woman" if you ask a "good Thai woman". Birds of a feather and all that...

Whatever you do, you should stop with the online dating. 5-10 FAILs should have been enough, but 60+? Sheesh...

[KHONDAHM]

One more thing: Don't think you are going to bed them quickly and expect to go on several chaperoned dates. The more chaperoned dates, the "better" the chances are that she is truly a "good woman". If you are looking to get in her panties within less than 3 months or so, then you are the one being insincere. A "good woman" cares about her reputation. Pay for the first date and keep it simple (eat at Robinson's food court, for example). Let her know before the second date that the chaperon will have to pay for themselves going forward if they want to tag along. She should not have a problem with that and it will be incentive for the chaperon to find something else to do with their time.

[JR]

Khondahm. You are making very wide generalizations here. Both untrue and unfair to the ladies. Granted some ladies on dating sites are not serious or truthful. Just like some of the farangs there are not. But saying that all Thai ladies featuring on these sites are lying, untruthful scammers is an insult to those who are serious. To back up your accusations you need to talk to just about all ladies on the sites. Which of course, you have not. You are entitled to your opinion but that does not make your opinion a fact.

[udonuk1]

Uk1, I'm curious to know what you would think of a lady who bought you presents and paid for the meals?

Yes that would be very nice, in fact it has happened to me a few times with ladies who have sponsors already and are quite rich. The ladies look for boyfriends on the side here when the sponsor returns to Europe or America. The sponsor is in Udon now, so i must be a little circumspect ! Yes they pay for meals and sometimes buy me presents, yes, i like that, do you ?

Try this: The next time you come across some nice lady mopping a floor, tending a stall, etc., strike up a conversation with a smile and at some point ask her if she knows any good young lady looking for a falang. Tell her how to contact you and how long you will be around.

Thanks for the advice, this is good for any man . Yes of course i meet lots of ladies (NOT on internet) in Udon and around, i am a good catch ! I did chat to lady cleaner in the appartment complex where i was staying. I was just being friendly to her . One day she asked me if i wanted long time, overnight, 1000 baht (she wasn't that beautiful). I had never hinted that i wanted sex or anything. Sheesh ! (I said NO)

Am i a troll ?
No everything i have said ACTUALLY happened REALLY ! But i must admit 60 dates was an exagerration, i calculated about 47 dates, sometimes 3 in 1 day. I would say that MOST ladies are kosher on the internet, it is best if YOU approach them, not let them start chatting to YOU.
I want to present my personal experiences of dating in Udon and surrounding areas. As i said before, the behaviour of these women is just plain WRONG, why should MEN put up with it, why can't they just contribute instead of EXPLOITING us ? Most of the Thai lady behaviour follows female behaviour in farang lands same same. But women HAVE to change, in the future they will have NO choice ! Otherwise there will be few men wanting to know them longer than 1 night.

MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way

PS I am NOT Kee Niao

Thanks for reading , this is my last post on this thread