Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by DermotC » September 5, 2010, 4:42 pm

What difference could that possible make? I asked a question and appreciate the answers from the heart given. Im not here to explain to you or anybody else why I post a thread or respond on another.

How would you feel if everytime you posted someone asked you Why you posted or what was the reason behind it? What possible difference could it make to you.....

Youe Generalisations on women in the above post are outrageous, even for me!

Also Im not English so my name is not spelt Dermott. Im Irish so my name is spelt Dermot



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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by chrisoary » September 5, 2010, 6:45 pm

The other half and me are the same age (30) and if I am honest I actually think she is more mature than me, although I wont tell her that.
She can be a little naive at times, but I think she honestly wants to see the good in people.
we have been together 5 years, are expecting our first child at the end of the month and getting married in January. I wouldn't change a thing

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by ronan01 » September 5, 2010, 6:48 pm

DermotC wrote:Ronan, Conas a ta tu?
Chara,

Tá mé go maith, agus tú féin?

Tóg do chuid ama agus níos mó a fhoghlaim faoi Téalainn (Thailand).

Ná iomarca airgid a chaitheamh go fóill.

Ná lig Udonk1 suaiteachta duit - tá sé leathcheann (amadan).

Tabhair aire.

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by LilRed » September 6, 2010, 9:52 am

"All" is a very bad generalization...


It does appear, however, that the following are common here:


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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by SanukJoe » September 6, 2010, 2:26 pm

Udonuk

I hope you stay in the UK and will stay there forever as you are certainly not qualified to have one of the millions of good Thai women that live here!

Your last post shows that you hate ALL women, fine for you, why don't you try a homosexual relationship, I understand there are enough possibilities in the UK, even political parties have their share 8)

Don't keep telling us all the time we are fools to have Thai women, we are or will be cheated as they are only interested in our money. Believe me, most of the expats living in LOS are happy and staying with the same wife for a more or less long time. Doesn't that say enough? Do we need a frustrated tourist telling us that all Thai women are the same?
No, we don't need you and it would be a relief if you would refrain from posting the way you did. Thanks.

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by old-timer » September 6, 2010, 3:06 pm

Three things:
Stupidity is not the same as being immature.
Giving and spending money on WFB's is well worth it.
The pub is opening in about an hour and OTs' boss thinks he's busy today :wink:

OT...pub lunch here I come... \:D/

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by DermotC » September 6, 2010, 9:53 pm

ronan01 wrote:
DermotC wrote:Ronan, Conas a ta tu?
Chara,

Tá mé go maith, agus tú féin?

Tóg do chuid ama agus níos mó a fhoghlaim faoi Téalainn (Thailand).

Ná iomarca airgid a chaitheamh go fóill.

Ná lig Udonk1 suaiteachta duit - tá sé leathcheann (amadan).

Tabhair aire.

Ronan,

I better reply in English or the Mods may take issue with us!

Dont worry Ill take my time and I wont be throwing my hard earned cash away on anything! Im fairly new to the board bu in no way new to Thailand! Totally agree with what you said about the other person on here! lol

Slan

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by Thaitanium » September 7, 2010, 12:49 am

Well, there are several ways to look at this question.
It is a simple why question, seeking a simple answer, but not so simple, depending on what others may think they know via their own experiences.

What some forget to realize, is that it is a bit complex.
Falangs tend to forget about what history is involved that has contributed to this evolutionary process, of an age old question. All, in all, it is a rudimentary question about all women, not just Thai women.

Why are women here the way they are? Mostly it’s because of male Falang’s stupidity, pure ignorance, and what they think they can obtain.
One should also remember that there are Thai women, Laos women, and then there is Issan women at the bottom of the totem pole, and the least respected by the Thai upper class in general. Bar girls with tattoos, and such, with multiple incomes from other Falangs, and such.

Most Falangs here in Udon are only here, because they can’t support themselves in their home country. Who want’s to take advice from a person that worked all his life to only get less than 100,000 BHT a month for retirement?

At one point in the past, these so called Falang gents of Udon’s finest Falang advisers, had decided to vacation somewhere down south, or because of a good old buddy, and listened to his friend’s unknowingly bad advise, said “Yep, Udon is so perfect, because my pension can go so far, and my bar girl is so in love with me”

Old men, are old men. Chicks dig young men only, in all cultures.
A Thai women might fall in love with you, a Lao women, eehhh, possible, but a true Issan girl, ya best forgetabout it., cuz it’s not gonna happen, because your simply a meat byproduct with cash.

More and more guys in their 20-30's are having the better luck here. Old guys are a dying bread, which is what the girls want the most as far as cash money. Old guys fall in love in 2 seconds flat, easy, and spend 80% of their time on a forum. What's a women to do? ANSWER: Get laid by somebody else and make some side money.

A chick here, may stop being a bar girl, but only because most of you, sponsors her like a Formula One Race Team. She well knows there is no "I", in the word "TEAM".

So, is she immature?
Most likely she is just smarter than the sucker that fell into her web trap, that bitches and moans to get what she wants.

She has a mission plan priority, and she has at least one with a name on it, and the other five buzzing around her web, which is called a contingency plan. Issan women will never fall in love with Falangs.

Thai women love only Thai young men, or young Falang men, with or without, money.
Older Falangs are simply cattle to be raised, nurtured, milked, and then slaughtered, for better or for worse. Simple. Family and money always come first here.

Immature, yep, they sure are, but it is called “Acting” towards surviaval. They are true thespians, at their best, because sheep are stupid.

There is a cure for ignorance, but there will never be a cure for stupidly. So, if one is OK with all the above, you can have an enjoyable life, and never love someone that will never love you back.

Cheers

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by old-timer » September 7, 2010, 2:08 am

DermotC wrote:Dont worry Ill take my time and I wont be throwing my hard earned cash away on anything!
Thats what everyone says when they are well skint.

OT....... \:D/

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by DermotC » September 7, 2010, 2:22 am

I aint 'Well Skint' as you put it OT!

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by jackspratt » September 7, 2010, 8:28 am

What a revelation!

An epic of generalisations, over-simplification and pure error.

If you need to know anything about Thailand, and particularly its women (or women in general for that matter), don't waste your time putting a question in the open forum.

Just send a PM to Thaitanium. :lol:

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by rct » September 7, 2010, 10:19 am

What is that saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Dermot, you may eventually succeed in helping a Thai woman "mature" by our definition or standards, by offering more worldly experiences and sharing your culture. But don't count it, meaning do not make the relationship depend/hinge on changing on her. Success will hinge more on your simply understanding her. I say this, after 12 years with a lovely woman from a well off family, who completed a degree in English at a prestigious university in Bangkok, who continues to evade and confound western logic and reason.

Boils down to frame of reference. See it. Accept it. Perhaps try to influence it. But don't force it.

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We all have a different frame of reference, starting with each of us farang males. Ditto the Thai ladies being discussed. Of course there are some valid stereotypes, for the men as well as the women, but lots of variances too. A valid stereotype may be, if one chooses to be with a woman from an impoverished background, who may or may not have been in "the trade", then she is more likely to be seeking a financial solution in her life, as a way out of her hardship, as opposed to true love, therefore she is willing to be with a man 20-30-40 years her senior, because he can provide for her.

She was also likely taught since an early age to look after her own family, this is ingrained, and deep down is not a bad value, it is a good thing. Though is different from western ways where we leave the nest and don't have that obligation until perhaps toward the end of our parents' lives.

The same farang back in his home country might be happy to provide for a young woman 20-30 years his junior, though in most cases such a woman will not want him. Hence the connections being made in this land of smiles, where life and most things, other than cars and property, are less expensive, and young available women abound. Older guys like younger women, this must be a universal law of nature.

Yet how many such men aged say 55-65 come to Thailand and fall for the hot 20-something, vs. a more mature woman a little closer to their own age, say aged 35+? Many such men here think he can pay now and later she'll fall in love, after which money is no longer underpinning the relationship. Might he be better off with the mature woman aged 35-45? Moot point, most of the guys probably still thinking with their little heads. And we come full circle on the question about who is and isn't mature, what is and isn't logical. It is logical. And it isn't. Or is it?

Obviously some writers have had bad experiences, some good ones. Some farang males may appear naive or innocent (immature by old Asia hand standards?) and others become jaded. This boils down to the choices made during the journey, our own frame of reference. Did one choose a woman from "the trade" who from the beginning was taught if not forced to be financially motivated? Or did one choose a good woman with wholesome values and perhaps better circumstances at home? To each their own.

Some of the views on the forum continue to amaze as well as entertain. And some are plain scary. And a word to the nice ladies out there, before you go inter, read the book "Sow Thai - Lawang Farang."

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by Aardvark » September 7, 2010, 10:43 am

Good Post rct =D> :D

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by udonuk1 » September 8, 2010, 8:26 am

SanukJoe wrote:Udonuk

I hope you stay in the UK and will stay there forever as you are certainly not qualified to have one of the millions of good Thai women that live here!

Your last post shows that you hate ALL women, fine for you, why don't you try a homosexual relationship, I understand there are enough possibilities in the UK, even political parties have their share 8)

Don't keep telling us all the time we are fools to have Thai women, we are or will be cheated as they are only interested in our money. Believe me, most of the expats living in LOS are happy and staying with the same wife for a more or less long time. Doesn't that say enough? Do we need a frustrated tourist telling us that all Thai women are the same?
No, we don't need you and it would be a relief if you would refrain from posting the way you did. Thanks.

Joe
I aways find that making personal judgements is fraught , especially on the internet when you can't even see the other person. Of course you nothing about me, you don't know, if i am really from UK, or if i am even male.
Forums are for giving your opinions, I can only give mine, my experience, I will put points logically. I refrain from making personal comment for the above reasons.

If you have had good experience, great for you ! In my posts i say that i understand why farangs are happy here, and as long as you give these women what they want (i.e cash), they will be loyal and faithful. I do not make personal attacks on what you say , Lao Tear Khun ! As i have said many times, you will see what the Thai lady and her family REALLY think of you, if you say that your cash is running out.

Saying that , i do not see , having worked hard and saved my money, i should shell it out to some Thai lady and her family who have never saved anything in their lives, but if you have plenty of dosh and you don't mind paying for her gold and shopping, up to you. It is just , i DO mind. I do not see WHY men should have break their backs working , shortening their OWN lives in order to give these women an easy life. A life of shopping and daytime TV. You may have other experiences, those are my views, i will always listen to what you say.

Currently , i am in Laos. Lao ladies are sweeter than Thai ladies, less tricks, less cheating. I have met a few nice, very pretty ladies here. You meet pretty Lao ladies in banks, customer services all over town ! Their long ethnic silk skirts are very entrancing . Most of the ladies i met seem to be single mothers,typically they have had sex with a "badboy" (sometimes farang) resulting in a baby, the badboy leaves them, then the mother looks for a "nice guy" provider afterwards to pay for the kid. They just look for a free ride, and what do they offer exactly ? They don't LOVE you IN THE SLIGHTEST, but they will attempt to charm you, they just look for a sponsor. Maybe you do not see anything wrong with this, but i DO, and i am just not willing to be their sponsor. Yes these ladies are clever, not immature, they have their head screwed on definitely. The women will charm you, maybe offer sex quite quickly to entrap you, but their GOAL is CASH CASH CASH only.

There , i make my point , using personal experience, argument, not personal attacks, assumptions about other person, insults etc

Great posts from rct and Thaititanium !!

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by SanukJoe » September 8, 2010, 2:58 pm

Udonuk

The point why you are irritating is that you GENERALIZE Thai women and also us expats. You do it again and again, even in your last post.

You want us to believe that all the women we found (and married) are only interested in our money. That is plain BS.
It might, and I don't exclude it, happen to several or even a lot of farang, specially the non experienced who fall in love with a bar girl during their holiday time.
When you read about the stories of many expats you should understand that they did not find their lady in one or two days, that they did not spread money and gold around for the family to grab, that they not built houses, bought cars, gave them credit cards etc. After some time, and that differs for everyone (but certainly not after 4 weeks holiday), they started to believe in a relationship and slowly it grew. That's how most expats started and continued their relationship.

Women are different, there are greedy selfish money eaters, there are careful, nearly stingy women, and a whole range in between. Bar girls are known for their greed, it's their job, they are spoiled (by farang). Even if they go back to their village they will not change so there you are right Udonuk.
But do we all have bar girls? I don't think so as those of us who had the pleasure of having fun with bar girls knew they are good for fun but not for a serious relationship, a few excepted maybe.
So I guess most of us have serious women whom we found in another way than in a bar.

Of course poor women dream of a better life and as women get babies they have to think of the future of their offspring. So what is better for them: a butterfly Thai man who leaves them after 5 years or an older farang who is not there to find as many women as he can but who wants a woman who makes his retirement worth while, and who provides them with a better life? I see many teenage girls in my village and sometimes I feel sorry for them as most of them will go the Thai way and you will find them in 5 years, divorced, 2 babies, only 22 years old!
I admire the clever women who think of the future of their offspring and themselves and go for the adventure of having an older man from another race and totally different culture.

And just for your info: most women are not spending their days shopping.

One positive thing though: I agree with you about Lao women, they are beautiful and friendly and the way they dress makes them very feminine.

Joe

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Post by jackspratt » September 8, 2010, 3:12 pm

I reckon you are guilty of a bit of generalisation yourself there, SJ. :D

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Post by arjay » September 8, 2010, 3:14 pm

Very good post SJ. I agree. :D =D> =D>

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Post by SanukJoe » September 9, 2010, 1:52 pm

jackspratt wrote:I reckon you are guilty of a bit of generalisation yourself there, SJ. :D
I agree Jack, the part about Lao women being beautiful, friendly and feminine is a strong generalization, shame on me! :lol:

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Post by udonuk1 » September 10, 2010, 12:04 pm

SanukJoe, great and wise post !

I read about the many good Thai ladies SOME farangs have met, yes, it is just i only seem to meet almost ALL scammers/cheats/ATM seekers in Thailand AND Laos. There are rich Asian ladies with good jobs that i have met, and they are exactly the same, no matter how much money they have, they will nearly ALWAYS expect the man to pay for most things. Because men are penis owners , they have to pay for everything

I read what you say about ladies, but if they want money so much, why don't they work, like MEN have to ? Instead of finding a gullible farang to cheat/get pregnant/treat as ATM, would a man ever do this to a woman ?? I agree with much of what you say, but yes, why can't these female scammers work, work hard and save, like most farang men here have done. Yes i generalise again, but when you meet a woman, she will think that YOUR money, is now HER money, why do they have such entitlement. what exactly do they think they are offering us ? Yes they think that because they have a fanny (or whatever it is called in America) they can get ANY man and have his money.

In the last two days , i have met 2 Lao ladies for dates. The first one was very sexy, but looked like a bargirl (probably was). She had a motorbike , but INSISTED on going places with me in a TukTuk "road bad for motorbike", "no have to wait if take tuktuk". I thought this was strange, in the tukTuk i worked out that the "driver", was her brother's friend, and she was negotiating a percentage of the fare (that is paid for), for her. I speak a little Isaan, well enough to understand numbers, brother etc. It is always best not to tell Thai ladies you can speak a little Thai, you can get a gist of what they are planning.

The second lady had a good job working for Lao Telecom, educated, pretty, 32 years. She said "I am single, we meet tonight ?". She agreed to go on a date, but wanted to take a chaperone. This is OK, i thought, she must be VERY respectable. Next day, the number of "chaperones" required started to grow, now she wanted to bring 3. From previous experience, in Thailand, i had seen this trick before, they just want a free meal for them and their friends, all paid for by stupid farang, water buffalo.

I am not fat, old, farang either ! Just a post feminist man, unwilling to accept women 's bad bad bahaviour and cunning ANY more. Men must start to treat them as disposable if they cheat/scam/want a farang ATM. This is not a question of being poor/rich. It is about women's general entitlement princess attitude and personal morality.
OK, i have lost my sense of humour since becoming post feminist man, but men , especially in the west, are beginning to wise up as to HOW we are being treated (ask the Chilean miners)

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Re: Are all Thai Girls Immature or Child-like?

Post by lepidoptra » September 10, 2010, 3:00 pm

Udonuk1.
Although it's against my nature I tend to agree with you on this one. If you can continue to write posts that do not insult and decry other members then I will read them and even enjoy them =D>

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