Wikileaks

[tigerryan]

The media has been shy on the topic but the PFC is gay and he spent some time growing up in England. God save us.

[BobHelm]

The media has been shy on the topic but the PFC is gay and he spent some time growing up in Emgland. God save us.

Technically very incorrect ryan, if, by Emgland you mean England. He was brought up in Oklahoma with his father. He did spend some time, as a teenager, in South West Wales.

[Aardvark]

So there you go. he's not Gay, just fond of Sheep

[Galee]

Well said Prince Andrew. Just gone up in my estimation.

[hangsaboot]

Thank God for Wikileaks and the Swedish gowerment

julian assange is the founder of wilkleaks , and is wanted in sweden on suspicion of
rape , sexual molestation and unlawful coercion.
mr. assange himself denies the accusations .suprise suprise .

wilki,, about openess and honesty .
one wonders if wilki paid , for the leaked documentts ?

imo, they have done much harm to the world peace making process .
what are their motives ???.

[jackspratt]

Thank God for Wikileaks and the Swedish gowerment

julian assange is the founder of wilkleaks , and is wanted in sweden on suspicion of
rape , sexual molestation and unlawful coercion.
mr. assange himself denies the accusations .suprise suprise .

Mr Assange was previously accused of these crimes, and the then prosecutor said there was no case to answer.

The charges have now been taken up by a new prosecutor - surprise, surprise.

No wonder Mr Assange denies the charges.

One can wonder all they like - unless they have some evidence of payment they will be left in a state of wonderment. Plus idle speculation on Forums.

[tigerryan]

If not wikileaks it would have been the Guardian the NYT or you name it. The heart of this is why in the hell did some guy who wears his beret like a French baker and grew up in a foreign country gain access to a secret security clearence.

[jackspratt]

Obviously he passed the hurdles required to get his security clearance.

Perhaps the better question is why his conscience dictated that he should release this information. Maybe what he saw shocked him sufficiently to do so ie the helicopter footage of the slaughter of the journalists in Iraq.

In this age of instant communication over the internet, bullsh1t (Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq) is always going to invite reaction, because the forum is available.

I have still to come to an opinion over the most recent leaks on wikileak. But as far as I am concerned, the more information available about the lead up to the Iraq invasion, the better. Hopefully it can help prevent such a disgraceful event happening again.

[KHONDAHM]

Hopefully it can help prevent such a disgraceful event happening again.

Cuba, Grenada, Panama - to name but a few from current American history. Far more if we're talking international current history or pre-Cold War. You were saying?

[tigerryan]

Jack the problem is that he passed the security hurdles, thats the problem, twenty years ago you could not get a clearence unless you were squeky clean and that included scoring a negative on poll smoking tendencies, it was not until Clinton that the serious security requirements went out the window. The Clinton band of pot smoking hippies rolled into town and many of them could not have been cleared due to prior drug use but they were in charge and they made the rules. Ask any old school prior service vet how big a deal the security clearence process was. This Manning kid should be hung from a tree today.

[KHONDAHM]

Now you are sounding juvenile and you need to be called out for inventing your own history. If you claim this happened under Clinton, where is your evidence to back it up - and don't point to some rightwing nut blog. Show us the before and after law or regulations. Here, I'll help you since you have proven yourself unreliable and thoroughly discredited:

http://www.bushsecrecy.org/page.cfm?Pag ... tegoryID=2

The facts are that the President issues the security regulations by Executive Order. The one in place when this Private was cleared would have been the one signed by George W. Bush. Executive Order 13292 signed March 25, 2003, to be exact.

Significant changes included a change which canceled the order requiring the Archivist to create a “government wide database of information that has been declassified,” and instead requires the “Director of the Information Security Oversight Office ... [to] coordinate the linkage and effective utilization of existing agency databases of records that have been declassified and publicly released”. In layman's terms, that means rather than organize and store the data centrally, Bush and Co. took a shortcut to failure by attempting to link gawd knows how many disparate data sources and databases which obviously would be a nightmare to control or monitor.

The latest guidelines regulating classified information handling by the U.S. Government went into full effect on June 25, 2010 except for sections 1.7, 3.3, and 3.7, which were effective immediately on December 29, 2009 pursuant to Executive Order 13526 signed by President Obama on that day.

So it becomes quite clear what happened with the PFC. Faced with knowing his clearance was about to get yanked by Obama's tougher policies and controls, he did a bum rush grab for all the intel he could get under the idiotic and ineffective controls put in place by Bush SINCE 2003 AFTER 9/11(!!!).

Oh, and no you don't want me to dig into your azz about the 9/11 Commission Recommendations which were presented to Bush and NOT acted upon or the various commentary about the sorry state of White House (!!!) IT security (nevermind the rest of the government) when Obama took office.

So now that you have been thoroughly discredited and proven to be a promoter of snakeoil historical revisionism, please don't post again as if you pretend to have a clue. You don't. And let this be a warning to others that there are those on this board who will fact check and expose you for the fraud you are. Beware and be aware that I am a semi-retired insomniac with no real job and plenty of time. You do not want to post nonsense on a day when I am bored.

Have a nice day.

[KHONDAHM]

The travesty here is that it took me all of about 20 minutes to fact check an idiotic statement while laying in bed in my birthday suit on my iPhone. You think US media is going to make such a Herculean effort as the rightwing nuts spew lies like our board buddy here? Don't bet on it.

[parrot]

" it was not until Clinton that the serious security requirements went out the window. The Clinton band of pot smoking hippies rolled into town and many of them could not have been cleared due to prior drug use but they were in charge and they made the rules. "

All the GIs I knew in my 26 year career who smoked pot or were gay enlisted in the Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush years. They all had the highest security clearances possible in the military. Funny thing, with the exception of one or two pot smokers (I knew lots), the rest were all very dedicated to their jobs.

[tigerryan]

I have never provided sources or links to any site in any of my posts ever I mean why? its all mine.
I was unaware you could find the secret clearence screening protcol on the Internet (because you can't) your simply citing constructs that ain't relavent. If you smoked pot in the past or were gay you at least needed to lie. The screening process failed us with manning and I beleive if he were a normal country loving guy with normal beer drinking buddies his behavior would have followed suit we don't have a shortage of guys for these important jobs we should only select the best .

[KHONDAHM]

@tigerryan
Every time people see your name next to a post, they should immediately think:

FAIL!

Stop back-peddling so hard, your wheels already fell off.

[Khun Paul]

Ok so we now have it semi-officially, the US Govt screwed up and the leaks are part of a conspiracy to push international relations still further down the road of conflict and untrustworthiness than before, thereby proting the massive arms industry even further to maintain and make new weapons to fight what was not there to fight before, but now is.
Oh well done, USA first you take on the mantle of the worlds policeman, then you manage to cock that up. No wonder so many countries look at your involvement as a pain but as you are so big, find saying NO a harder thing to do.
While to options of not having the USA as a self appointed police force leaves me wondering, at the moment its attitude of its diplomats, ( albeit that gossip does rule the diplomatic world to a greater or lesser degree) is causing great grief around the world and its (USA) Civil servants even more so. Not saying that other countries are not perfect, but this time the USA has come out on top at being diplomatically, govermentally STUPID.

[tigerryan]

Khondham The way the political threads on Udonmap are these days backpedaling, providing backup or bending over to pick something up is completely out of the question in my book.

[cookie]

I suddenly hear people shouting: traitor, treason, ....execute,....
I wonder why I didn't hear the same people shouting the same to Scooter Libby, a traitor that leaked secret info from Valerie Plaim ( a US Operative).... hypocrites or not??????
I don't remember fox news calling for Scooter Libby's execution?????
Don't Cheney and Libby deserve execution even more than the wiki leakers????

So, there suddenly seems to be an imperative to protect wrongdoing by the US highest officials (Clinton,...),
but not to actually do something to clean the house? No wonder things are corrupt.

As I mentioned before, blame the US State Department, stop whining and clean up the mess.....

by the way,
I am looking forward to the new release by wikileaks about the malpractice (criminal or not???) of The Bank Of America......
WikiLeaks to expose bad behavior by corporatio­ns is music in my ears....

[UdonExpat]

I agree cookie, wikileaks is providing a great service to freedom of information. If there were no secrets, all relationships would improve.

When I was in the Army I worked with confidential and secret documents for more than 6 months before the fact that I didn't have any security clearance became an issue. It didn't matter to me, but some guys senior to me got their shorts in a twist about it. Then about 2 years later an officer started handing me secret documents to work with. That time I refused, as I liked him, and didn't want him getting into trouble. Secrecy was a joke IMO. A secret can not be shared.

Wikileaks is great fodder for the conservatives who like to keep their homosexual, campaign donating, drug using, prostitute purchasing, child porn loving, tax cheating, government skimming behavior secret. Exposing things is antithetical to their well being.

Those of us who value freedom love the exposure of information of any and all kinds. The internet is the tool that will be the exposer of secrecy, hypocrisy, lies, and just plain stupidity. Power to the people! Right on! Right on!!

[Ray.Charles]

I have not been even marginally surprised by the stuff I have read so far. What about you?
But, then again I remember the instructions from my days of doing classifed work that I was not allowed to repeat something available publicly because it is not just the content but the fact that some one holding a clearance sayimg it would have made it illegal.