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Re: Wikileaks

Post by jackspratt » December 10, 2010, 12:49 pm

Maybe they are supporters of the site, or perhaps the "anarchy" which wikileaks may represent to some.

But Assange and the official wikileaks organisation has been quite explicit in denying any connection with the hack-tivists:
(Assange's lawyer) "He is also very concerned that he is unable to respond to the various malicious allegations that have been made against him ... [allegations] that he somehow instructed hackers around the world to attack Mastercard and Visa for refusing WikiLeaks service.

"It is absolutely false. He did not make any such instruction, and indeed he sees that as a deliberate attempt to conflate hacking organisations [with] WikiLeaks, which is not a hacking organisation. It is a news organisation and a publisher."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 089811.htm



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Re: Wikileaks

Post by BobHelm » December 10, 2010, 12:53 pm

As Mandy Rice-Davies so famously said... :D :D
"Well, he would, wouldn't he?"

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by jackspratt » December 10, 2010, 1:06 pm

I'll wait for the evidence, instead of jumping to conclusions.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by KHONDAHM » December 10, 2010, 6:26 pm

parrot wrote:...and the 152 friends waiting for me to open a facebook account will have to wait another day. I wonder what tomorrow will bring?
I co-sign that sentiment. I have two things to say about it and it's participants, respectively:
1984 and Mooooooo... :lol:

Just my personal opinion for all it ain't worth. :-$

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Jai » December 11, 2010, 1:50 am

LIVES
THOSE
WIKILEAKS
HAVE PUT
AT RISK


Julian Assange

Er.....

That's it.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by hangsaboot » December 11, 2010, 2:36 am

[quote="Galee"]Latest leaks suggest Burma is building nuclear sites with the help of North Korea.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... ar-weapons

nonsense , this is serious .
i hope the CIA ,and british intelligence agencies , are aware of this :(
i doubt it . :-k

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by cookie » December 11, 2010, 2:37 pm

.

thank you Julian,
“Information is the currency of democracy.”—Thomas Jefferson

so no more information, no more free speech,
thus no more US Democracy????? :evil: :evil: :evil:

Julian Assange’s is a journalist using his free speech rights,
as protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution,
and Supreme Court precedent relating to the Pentagon Papers (New York Times Co. v United States).

He is no different than any other news organization publishing sensitive information leaked by a whistleblower insider.

How history repeats itself.
Wikipedia:

On June 13, 1971, the Times published the first of nine excerpts and commentaries on the 7,000 page collection. For 15 days, the Times was prevented from publishing its articles by court order requested by the Nixon administration. On June 30, the Supreme Court ordered publication of the Times to resume freely (New York Times Co. v. United States). The ruling made it possible for the New York Times and Washington Post newspapers to publish the then-classified Pentagon Papers without risk of government censure. President Richard Nixon had claimed executive authority to force the Times to suspend publication of classified information in its possession. The question before the court was whether the constitutional freedom of the press under the First Amendment was subordinate to a claimed Executive need to maintain the secrecy of information. The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment did protect the New York Times’ right to print said materials.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by rufus » December 11, 2010, 3:34 pm

cookie wrote:.

thank you Julian,
“Information is the currency of democracy.”—Thomas Jefferson

so no more information, no more free speech,
thus no more US Democracy????? :evil: :evil: :evil:

Julian Assange’s is a journalist using his free speech rights,
as protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution,
and Supreme Court precedent relating to the Pentagon Papers (New York Times Co. v United States).
at the First Amendment did protect the New York Times’ right to print said materials.
[/quote]

snipped

Cookie, Assange is an Australian, therefore the First Amendment of the US Constitution has nothing to do with him.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by jackspratt » December 11, 2010, 4:14 pm

On the contrary rufus - I think you will find that Assange being Australian does not remove the protections afforded by the US Constitution.

The fact that he is not in the US however, may weaken those protections. If he were in the US it is my understanding that he would enjoy the same constitutional rights as a US journalist.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by cookie » December 11, 2010, 4:38 pm

jackspratt wrote:On the contrary rufus - I think you will find that Assange being Australian does not remove the protections afforded by the US Constitution.

The fact that he is not in the US however, may weaken those protections. If he were in the US it is my understanding that he would enjoy the same constitutional rights as a US journalist.
nothing more to add 8)

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Jai » December 11, 2010, 11:30 pm

Assange moved to isolation in UK jail......9 pm news Oz
WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange was in a segregation unit of a London jail on Saturday for his safety, as new secret US diplomatic cables were made public, increasing the embarrassment to Washington.

His Lawyer Said; :-
Assange is in "very good" spirits but "frustrated" that he cannot answer the allegations that WikiLeaks was behind cyber attacks launched on credit card firms which have refused to do business with the website.

"He told me he is absolutely not involved and this is a deliberate attempt to conflate WikiLeaks, which is a publishing organisation, with hacking organisations which are not," he said.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 12, 2010, 3:59 am

Here is a not bad assessment of Mr. Assange from a writer at the Toronto Globe and Mail:

Margaret Wente
The warped world of Julian Assange
MARGARET WENTE | Columnist profile | E-mail
From Saturday's Globe and Mail

Where’s Stieg Larsson when you need him? This plot was made for him. A crusading truth-teller reveals shocking secrets about the covert operations of the richest and most powerful empire in the world. He is also a legendary hacker. Not surprisingly, the cabal decides he must be taken out. He goes into hiding. His powerful enemies, including the CIA and the Pentagon, launch a dirty-tricks campaign. He’s accused of unrelated, trumped-up criminal charges, and his home country issues an international warrant for his arrest. The bad guys lean on another country to arrest and extradite him. He might even wind up as a prisoner in the United States. Or he could do time in a Swedish jail, where he will be forced to eat large quantities of pickled herring.

WikiLeaks founder arrested in Britain That, at any rate, is the conspiracy theory that has elevated WikiLeaks’s Julian Assange from hero to martyr. Since his arrest in London earlier this week, armies of celebrities, hackers and leftists have declared that he is essentially a political prisoner. Many are convinced he’s the victim of a CIA plot to entrap him by planting a couple of alluring Swedish blondes to smear him with false rape allegations.

“It is clearly a smear campaign,” Mr. Assange said when the allegations started leaking out last summer. “The only question is who was involved. We can have some suspicions about who would benefit.”

“The honeytrap has been sprung,” said Mark Stephens, his British lawyer. “Dark forces are at work. After what we’ve seen so far, you can reasonably conclude this is part of a greater plan.”

Named in court only as Ms. A and Ms. W, Mr. Assange’s accusers have been thoroughly trashed on the Internet. Their identities are an open secret. One website called Ms. A a “psychotic feminist.” The women’s lawyer says that, like many rape victims, they’ve been doubly victimized. One of the women recently struck back. “The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who had attitude problems with women,” she told a Swedish newspaper.

Mr. Assange now enjoys rock-star status, with many of the same perks. As one acquaintance told The Guardian, “A lot of women invited him to their beds and he took that opportunity too much.” He said he warned Mr. Assange that his behaviour might get him into trouble.

It’s possible, of course, that Mr. Assange could be both things at once – a heroic champion of transparency and truth-telling, and also a sex offender. Or it’s possible he could be neither.

Sweden has some of the most stringent sexual-consent laws in the world. (The joke is that a man needs written permission to have sex.) But even by Swedish standards, this case seems like a stretch. Mr. Assange met one woman last summer when she invited him to stay at her apartment, the night before a conference he was attending. According to the prosecutor, they had consensual sex. The next morning, they had sex again, and the condom broke.

Mr. Assange met the other woman at the conference. She bought him a computer cable. They had sex. He went home with her to a distant suburb. She bought a train ticket for him because he didn’t have any cash. He ignored her on the train and spent his time tweeting. (“He paid more attention to the computer than to me,” she said in her official complaint, which has been published in both Sweden and Britain.) The next morning, they had sex again. She’d told him to use a condom, but he didn’t. She made him breakfast. He said he’d call her, but he didn’t.

The two women soon ran into each other, discovered what they had in common, and became outraged. They went to the police, lodged a complaint, and demanded that Mr. Assange be tested for various sexual diseases. It’s hard to see what he’s guilty of, beyond being a really bad date.

I relate these tedious details not out of prurient interest (really!) but because the sexual-assault charges are now central to the controversy surrounding Mr. Assange. Although these charges have nothing to do with his activities at WikiLeaks, try explaining that to his legions of defenders. To them, this is “really” about shutting down WikiLeaks. In retaliation, cyberhackers have been launching attacks aimed at shutting down the sites of MasterCard, Visa, Amazon and any other entity that has cut its ties with WikiLeaks.

But just as in Stieg Larsson’s novels, not everything is as it seems. Julian Assange is no champion of openness, transparency and democracy. His stated aim is to bring down institutions of government and business by crippling their ability to communicate internally and share information. He’s no Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers. He’s more like Ted Kaczynski, who didn’t care what he blew up.

Personally, I believe Julian Assange is an extremist who hasn’t obviously broken any law. But is he a rapist? Not by any definition of the word that I can find. A political prisoner, then? Not that, either. He’s a narcissistic, arrogant and unsavoury jerk. A very dangerous jerk.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 12, 2010, 4:07 am

And here is the link to the above brief item: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi ... le1833683/

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by KHONDAHM » December 12, 2010, 6:14 am

The more I read about the persecution of this guy and Wikileaks, the more I fear for what has become of America. It has become an alien nation to me. Not suddenly, but gradually. Ever so gradually our freedoms have been eroded much like the sands and waters of Pattaya. If it happens over a protracted period of time, it takes looking at a long ago picture to realize that there is comparatively no real beach left. Just a strip of sand artificially held in place along polluted waters. Prostitution has replaced it's natural beauty as the main attraction.

The Constitution has been gradually eroded by so many recent Supreme Court decisions, the Patriot Acts, and various other laws enacted during the Bush years. I look at and listen to old speeches and writings of long ago politicians from Thomas Jefferson to John F. Kennedy and I am shocked and amazed at the country America and its people and politicians have devolved into.

There is no way the America of a bygone era would have not defended Wikileaks under freedom of the press. At the same time, there is no way so many, if any, loony and dopey right wingnut politicians as have been recently elected would have been tolerated, much less elected. Look at how they have abused an obscure rule to completely change how Congress operates. It is embarrassing and shameful.

Taken together, the changes over the past decade are akin to a backdoor take over of American Democracy, values, economy, and freedoms.

Who are we?

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 12, 2010, 7:10 am

Yes, but freedom with responsibility, a fine point that Mr. Assagne seems to have forgotten or ignored. On the other hand, there should be freedom of the press, and it should be pointed out from his own words that he is not a believer in democracy, his stated goal is to bring down the United States government.

Indeed, the way his supporters have launched cyber attacks on organisations and people that disagree with the current superstar, it shows that these people do not want free speech and thought. If you disagree with Mr. Assagne, you will be a target.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by UdonExpat » December 12, 2010, 9:46 am

Laan Yaa Mo
his stated goal is to bring down the United States government
I doubt this. Please provide a source for this statement. I think you're just making it up out of your dislike for the guy and what he is doing.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 12, 2010, 9:49 am

It is in the newspaper article a couple of posts above this one.

I do not like or dislike him, but I found the article interesting.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by UdonExpat » December 12, 2010, 10:08 am

OK, thanks.
His stated aim is to bring down institutions of government and business by crippling their ability to communicate internally and share information.
I assume you reached your conclusion from this statement in the article.

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by jackspratt » December 12, 2010, 11:01 am

UdonExpat wrote:OK, thanks.
His stated aim is to bring down institutions of government and business by crippling their ability to communicate internally and share information.
I assume you reached your conclusion from this statement in the article.
A quick google reveals no source (that I could find) for this "stated aim" - other than that to be found in the Globe & Mail, and a blogger on the zunguzungu (no, that is not a spelling mistake :D ) blogsite. :-k

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Re: Wikileaks

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 12, 2010, 11:32 am

In that case Jack, I would put my trust in the zunguzungu blogger. My conclusions were reached UdonExpat on that statement and on another article published by Wente in Tuesday's edition of the Globe and Mail. I don't have time to put it now, maybe tomorrow....

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