Noticed just recently some posters are going home to give their kids a better education. Commendable, but if your British, are you sure? The attached report shows a different picture, in London , anyway .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ority.html
Out of curiosity I dug out a photo of a school class in 1988 to compare .Just 20 years ago .
Read the article carefully before screaming about racial discrimination . It is not . Its about the strain , both financial and practical of having to teach a class of kids where in some parts of London 92% of them are not of white British origin , many of whom have never ever been to school .
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Still it is 'photos', not 'photo's'.
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Get out of Londonistan, move to the surronding home counties, and the schools revert to ones in Trubrits 1988 photo.
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Home counties ? You are joking Prenders, they are everywhere !
If you want to revert to Trubrits photo you have to go to the Outer Hebridies !
If you want to revert to Trubrits photo you have to go to the Outer Hebridies !
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Or get a time machine .GARYZX6R wrote:Home counties ? You are joking Prenders, they are everywhere !
If you want to revert to Trubrits photo you have to go to the Outer Hebridies !
Ageing is a privilige denied to many .
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If you want to apply the plural possessive it should of course be on schools' not photos.What did you think of the article? :-"Techland wrote:Still it is 'photos', not 'photo's'.
Ageing is a privilige denied to many .
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They are all members of the former empire - where the sun never set - they have come from the sunnier side to live in the "motherland"
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I am from Consett, Co. Durham... very few of our colored brothers and sisters up my way... not that I would mind if there were more... I have always got on very well with different races... I worked at Sunderland with lots of African people who fled their country due to civil war... I even had a Sudanese girlfriend at one time... one of the prettiest girls I have ever had.
This is a changing world and we all have to live with each other… I realized most of us here are appalled by racism… why would we marry Thai’s otherwise…
If my children had colored friends at school I would be very happy…
Mr. Saboo
This is a changing world and we all have to live with each other… I realized most of us here are appalled by racism… why would we marry Thai’s otherwise…
If my children had colored friends at school I would be very happy…
Mr. Saboo
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I blame global warming !!! 1988 all the kids are pale , pasty looking and or need a blood transfusion , where as the top pic theyve all got cracking tans ................ or maybe just maybe they are the offspring of the millions of freeloading immigratio dodging benefit grabbing expert of raghead desendants ......the jury is still out for me ermmmmmm ??trubrit wrote:Noticed just recently some posters are going home to give their kids a better education. Commendable, but if your British, are you sure? The attached report shows a different picture, in London , anyway .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ority.html Out of curiosity I dug out a photo of a school class in 1988 to compare .Just 20 years ago . Read the article carefully before screaming about racial discrimination . It is not . Its about the strain , both financial and practical of having to teach a class of kids where in some parts of London 92% of them are not of white British origin , many of whom have never ever been to school .
Some would say ts multi culturalism , not ME i reckon is the shambolic policies of a **** of a PM running a spineless pro pakki goverment costing the UK taxpayers billions ....... OMO
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I hesitate to comment on what seems to be a UK issue, but here goes:
10 years or so ago, I home schooled 7 different American kids in Udon in 6 different grade levels using Calvert School system books. I also worked with the Cambridge English series of books at AUA for a year.
From time to time, my Thai neighbors/friends would thumb through the textbooks that I'd have at home and comment on the blend of white/black/Asian/Muslim/handicapped students in the textbook photos. No disparaging comments, but mostly curiosity about the obvious multi-cultural blend of skin colors. I always took pride in telling them about America's melting pot system....even going so far as to demonstrate with a tin can, a mish-mash of crayon shavings, and a lighter. I know our system is far from perfect, and there's plenty enough racism in the US today, but there does seem to be a distinct contrast between the comments of US and UK forum members on the issue of immigration/integration in their respective countries.
I tend to agree with Saboo's comments above (now, that's almost scary) that anyone with a Thai wife or child, one would think, would be more prone to accepting the melting-pot theory than disparage it. There are a million+ people in the US who identify themselves as Vietnamese alone, and 130,000 of those have settled in Orange County, California alone. That's a chunk of people! Yet, despite some growing pains, especially in places like Louisiana where the Vietnamese took over the shrimping business from established residents, for the most part, the Vietnamese have integrated well into American society.
There are days when I'm out/about in the nearby villages (esp. Nongwahsaw), that I wonder what the locals think about the influx of westerners into their neighborhoods......the majority who don't speak the language, don't dress like them, don't eat like them, and marry off all the village's beautiful girls. I know the westerns contribute their fair share to the economy, and for the most part live their day-to-day lives without incident, but if the shoe were on the other foot, I wonder if the comments/feelings would be different.
I'm not knocking the Brits for their feelings....but rather just expressing an outsider's views looking in.
Back to my cave.
10 years or so ago, I home schooled 7 different American kids in Udon in 6 different grade levels using Calvert School system books. I also worked with the Cambridge English series of books at AUA for a year.
From time to time, my Thai neighbors/friends would thumb through the textbooks that I'd have at home and comment on the blend of white/black/Asian/Muslim/handicapped students in the textbook photos. No disparaging comments, but mostly curiosity about the obvious multi-cultural blend of skin colors. I always took pride in telling them about America's melting pot system....even going so far as to demonstrate with a tin can, a mish-mash of crayon shavings, and a lighter. I know our system is far from perfect, and there's plenty enough racism in the US today, but there does seem to be a distinct contrast between the comments of US and UK forum members on the issue of immigration/integration in their respective countries.
I tend to agree with Saboo's comments above (now, that's almost scary) that anyone with a Thai wife or child, one would think, would be more prone to accepting the melting-pot theory than disparage it. There are a million+ people in the US who identify themselves as Vietnamese alone, and 130,000 of those have settled in Orange County, California alone. That's a chunk of people! Yet, despite some growing pains, especially in places like Louisiana where the Vietnamese took over the shrimping business from established residents, for the most part, the Vietnamese have integrated well into American society.
There are days when I'm out/about in the nearby villages (esp. Nongwahsaw), that I wonder what the locals think about the influx of westerners into their neighborhoods......the majority who don't speak the language, don't dress like them, don't eat like them, and marry off all the village's beautiful girls. I know the westerns contribute their fair share to the economy, and for the most part live their day-to-day lives without incident, but if the shoe were on the other foot, I wonder if the comments/feelings would be different.
I'm not knocking the Brits for their feelings....but rather just expressing an outsider's views looking in.
Back to my cave.
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Whilst i agree in parts with you theory Parrot i like many other Brits think the whole system of immigration allowing so many asylum seekers and others under whatever banner to get in and rape the benefits system . I am from a small town in the North of England where they introduced Hindi (or Hindu) to the schools ciriculum as the schools were more than 75% Pakkistani , Indain , Bangladesh Kashmiri etcetc ,,,,,,,,, all i think is poor little Billy Smith living in the school catchment area as hes in a minority .
Thers nothing wrong with multiculturalism , but in moderation . Britain thru its own soft ideas and rules has become the country all the freeloaders and their families head for .
MASH ..... pass me that soap box im on one
Thers nothing wrong with multiculturalism , but in moderation . Britain thru its own soft ideas and rules has become the country all the freeloaders and their families head for .
MASH ..... pass me that soap box im on one
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Parrot..
I'd love to integrate more here in Thailand.
I'm just allowed to.
"Alien" reporting every 90 days like a shoplifter on probation.
No interest on savings, because I'm a "Foreigner".
Racist shouts and chants, when out and about. You've just got to smile and take it.
Skin Tax for entry into National Parks.
Having 400,000 or 800,000 in the bank doing nothing.
Paying taxes and getting no representation.
I'd love to integrate more here in Thailand.
I'm just allowed to.
"Alien" reporting every 90 days like a shoplifter on probation.
No interest on savings, because I'm a "Foreigner".
Racist shouts and chants, when out and about. You've just got to smile and take it.
Skin Tax for entry into National Parks.
Having 400,000 or 800,000 in the bank doing nothing.
Paying taxes and getting no representation.
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Well I did fear this would turn into a discussion about race that's why I tried to make the point in my opening post, that it wasn't . My concern was . The native British kids were being denied a good education , not only the extra expense of teaching so many different nationalities and cultures, but because obviously, the whole class proceeds at the pace of the slowest. Some of the immigrant kids haven,t had any education at all , so that must be very slow .This must be holding our own kids back, denying them a chance to progress as they would . This and the extra cost of special teaching also diverts funds from other education projects. In summary .It is dumbing down and denying them their own birthright to a good education .That's of far greater concern to me than the race issue, but I must admit that is also worrying, but that's another topic .
Ageing is a privilige denied to many .
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trubrit the pictures you have looks like 2 different age groups,not sure about the uk but here in australian we have a grading system in high school where 1 is the highest and say 6 is the lowest so the kids who are developing quicker than the others are seperated according to ther intelligence,where as in primary school everyone is together in the same class,but there are esl (english second language) class to help the migrants,here in australia the top hundred hsc marks belong to asian and kids whos parents come from non english speaking countries,so my point is maybe the english education system is not as strong as it once was.
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We did have a grading system known as the 11plus. where kids took an exam and were streamed into secondary, or grammar school, so that the higher achievers could progress further and faster and the less smart could get a greater degree of attention at a slower pace . However in a flash of socialist wisdom it was decided that it was divisive, so was done away with . Of course it was obvious that the slower learners couldn't be speeded up, so it ended up with the pace being dictated by the less able. Which of course meant those that wanted to advance themselves , couldn't, so became bored and stopped trying. Welcome to the after effects of that policy, visible on the streets of nearly every town in the United kingdom .grozza wrote:trubrit the pictures you have looks like 2 different age groups,not sure about the uk but here in australian we have a grading system in high school where 1 is the highest and say 6 is the lowest so the kids who are developing quicker than the others are seperated according to ther intelligence,where as in primary school everyone is together in the same class,but there are esl (english second language) class to help the migrants,here in australia the top hundred hsc marks belong to asian and kids whos parents come from non english speaking countries,so my point is maybe the english education system is not as strong as it once was.
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What you say about the change from the 11+ to the Comprehensive system of education is not quite accurate TB.
The 11+ resulted in two public systems of education.
Those who passed the exam went to a grammar school & those that didn't went into the secondary school system. As with any two tier system the money spent on the two systems resulted in inequalities.
The aim of the Comprehensive system was admirable. 11 year olds were no longer to be failed from the education system just on their ability to read English & understand Mathematics but tested on every subject that the school taught.
Streaming on ability was could then be done on every subject.
A child who was brilliant at Mathematics but had poor English skills (for example) could then be sat with the best for his Mathematics class & at a lower, appropriate, level for English.
This is impossible to do with a 'pass or fail' system like the 11+. If the child passes the examination on his Mathematical ability then he struggles in the English classes that are set above his ability. Equally, in the Mathematics classes he will be slowed down by the need to teach those who only just scraped through the 11+ on their Mathematics ability.
That politicians & educators then went onto a ridiculous concept that competition in schools should be viewed as socially unacceptable is not something that should be laid at the Comprehensive school system's door. That is something that they have to accept as their own failing & has little to do with if secondary education is based on selection at 11 years old or not.
As I moved around the country in my teens I went through both the Grammar School & Comprehensive System (& back to Grammar again). I found that there was little difference in the quality of education I received as a student because of the system. Sadly some of the pupils attending the Grammar Schools did have a delusional opinion of their own self worth because they attended a school that had 'Grammar' in its title.
The real difference to the education I enjoyed came from the skills & enthusiasm of the individual teachers for their subject, rather than what system they taught me under...
The 11+ resulted in two public systems of education.
Those who passed the exam went to a grammar school & those that didn't went into the secondary school system. As with any two tier system the money spent on the two systems resulted in inequalities.
The aim of the Comprehensive system was admirable. 11 year olds were no longer to be failed from the education system just on their ability to read English & understand Mathematics but tested on every subject that the school taught.
Streaming on ability was could then be done on every subject.
A child who was brilliant at Mathematics but had poor English skills (for example) could then be sat with the best for his Mathematics class & at a lower, appropriate, level for English.
This is impossible to do with a 'pass or fail' system like the 11+. If the child passes the examination on his Mathematical ability then he struggles in the English classes that are set above his ability. Equally, in the Mathematics classes he will be slowed down by the need to teach those who only just scraped through the 11+ on their Mathematics ability.
That politicians & educators then went onto a ridiculous concept that competition in schools should be viewed as socially unacceptable is not something that should be laid at the Comprehensive school system's door. That is something that they have to accept as their own failing & has little to do with if secondary education is based on selection at 11 years old or not.
As I moved around the country in my teens I went through both the Grammar School & Comprehensive System (& back to Grammar again). I found that there was little difference in the quality of education I received as a student because of the system. Sadly some of the pupils attending the Grammar Schools did have a delusional opinion of their own self worth because they attended a school that had 'Grammar' in its title.
The real difference to the education I enjoyed came from the skills & enthusiasm of the individual teachers for their subject, rather than what system they taught me under...