UK soldier beheaded on public street in London

Post by **ronan01** » May 27, 2013, 10:31 am

I have no problem with "Islam" - no problem with Hindu's either.

But being expected to silently agree Islam is the religon of "peace and love" is mepolitical correctness pushed a few steps too far.

No, not all Muslims are extreme in their views - likely only a minority are.

But a quick review of the "islamic world" does not reveal a lot of peace and love, more a litany of no democracy, women as slaves, corruption .... the list goes on.

Is this a "demonisation" of Islam? Is it wrong to observe and report that much is not well in the "islamic world"?

I doubt a fundamentalist christian preacher and followere would be allowed to "assemble" and "explain" themselves publicly in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakisatan?

It is OK to call BS on the "islam is the religion of peace and love" propaganda - there seems to be little peace and love practised in islamic countries.

Why do we need anybody to explain to us that "islam is the religion of peace and love"

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 27, 2013, 2:43 pm

Theresa May cracks down on universities after claims that alleged Woolwich killers were radicalised at Greenwich University's Islamic Society
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ciety.html

Apparently, someone else in the UK government is serious about what they call campuses turning a blind eye to Islamic radicals preaching hate at universities.

Universities were under pressure tonight to crack down on Islamic extremists who spout hatred on campuses.

An investigation has been launched into claims that a series of radical speakers were invited to events and distributed leaflets to students at the University where both killers are thought to have studied.

The probe will consider whether Greenwich University’s Islamic society had any role in radicalising Michael Adebolajo, 28 and Michael Adebowale, 22.

Home Secretary Theresa May yesterday pledged to look at introducing new powers to tackle Al Qaeda sympathisers who try to recruit impressionable students at colleges.

She has criticised universities for being ‘complacent’ in tackling the risk of radicalisation.

It will be interesting to see how effective this will be.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 27, 2013, 7:57 pm

Oh dear WBU if you want to know anything about UK Politics you really should start somewhere else than the Daily Mail.
In bias about 0.1% higher than that other news outlet you recommended - The Hindi Zoo News,,

Theresa May is, actually, responsible for the Government Department (The Home Office) that should ensure that horrific attacks like this do not occur.
It would seem that the people who report to her have failed significantly in their duty to protect the public, despite, by plenty of other reports, having full knowledge about the attackers.

Ms. May must be most concerned about what may be revealed about her Department at the up coming Coroner's inquest into the death of the poor unfortunate Mr. Rigby,
Hopefully the Coroner will be serious in his attempts to discover if this needless death was actually preventable by Ms. May's Department...

Ms. May is not a figure that is liked by the Police Federation, the people she is responsible for - in fact she is rather hated...

Into the bear pit: May faces her worst day of the year

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/05/ ... f-the-year

This is because her reforms of the Police are seen as stopping them doing their duty - see above re preventing crime...

Yet another politician attempting to save their place on the gravy train....

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 27, 2013, 8:57 pm

That's right, come after me for just posting an article.

Your buddy must be resting now. Needs some support.

This is getting pretty pathetic.

I posted more news of this event and reaction by people and officials in the UK. Period. I'm posting information. If you don't like the source (no surprise) or me (no surprise there either) or the person in the government, then that's just you.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 27, 2013, 9:03 pm

Then just WHY, WBU have you not attempted to discredit 1 point that I made in my reply??
Just why do you have to (yet again) go for the personal attack??

Where was I wrong in my reply to you?? I was not...

Your silly logos are typical of you..

Just try & dispute anything I wrote - you cannot.. PATHETIC!!

Post by **jackspratt** » May 27, 2013, 9:10 pm

WBU ALUM wrote:That's right, come after me for just posting an article. Your buddy must be resting now. Needs some support.

This is getting pretty pathetic.

Not resting - unlike you, I have no need to hide the fact when I am online on UM, nor to adopt multiple identities for what ever reason.

That truly is pathetic.

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 27, 2013, 9:10 pm

Not All Britons are blind to the causes and implications of the London beheading committed by jihadishttp://dailycaller.com/2013/05/24/not-a ... y-jihadis/

Disagreeing with an ideology, and condemning those who use that ideology to excuse murder, without condemning the believers in that ideology as a whole? That’s “racist,” that’s “hate speech,” if they constitute a Designated Victim Group.

A cursory Google search reveals that the British papers hate this guy. Maybe it’s the words he says. More likely, they can’t get past his accent. He doesn’t know his place. He’s speaking above his station. That’s England for ya.

But what do you think? Does he not have a point? Which of his facts are wrong? Why is it racist and bigoted and hateful to say that Islamic ideology is wrong and should be changed? What’s bigoted about believing that Muslims should try to assimilate into the societies they move into, just like everybody else does? What’s hateful about refusing to submit to the religion of submission? What’s racist about saying it’s intolerable to punish people for speaking out against beheadings in the streets?

Bob, I try to ignore you. But since you asked, I will tell you why I don't respond to you directly anymore. Ever since you refused to respond to a question and provide a source -- a long, long time ago -- I have decided that I owe you nothing. I have nothing to say to you, and I don't care to rehash it. It's done. It's over. You're a moderator, and that's where I leave it.

As for the particular article that you attacked -- along with me -- I don't have an opinion of the woman. I don't know anything about her other than her political office and what was said in the article. I didn't promote her or praise her.

My comment was this:

It will be interesting to see how effective this will be.

That's it. I'm providing information.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 27, 2013, 9:25 pm

Bob, I try to ignore you. But since you asked, I will tell you why I don't respond to you directly anymore. Ever since you refused to respond to a question and provide a source -- a long, long time ago -- I have decided that I owe you nothing. I have nothing to say to you, and I don't care to rehash it. It's done. It's over. You're a moderator, and that's where I leave it.

Your problem with that WBU is that I said to you then, as I say to you now.... You attempt to ask a multitude of questions so that you can select which of the multitude of answer you reply to.
Ask 1 question, in 1 thread & I will discuss with you forever.
Use your 'scatter gun' approach' & I have no interest in playing your games...

As I said to you way back then...start a new thread about it & I have no problem discussing ANYTHING....You never took me up then or since...

As for me 'being a moderator' I would request that you give absolute & full details as to when I have ever used that on this Forum to your disadvantage as a 'ordinary member'... You will not be able to do that either..

You, however, have tried to be disingenuous about who you are & have posted under a number of different guises - something I cannot be accused of...

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 27, 2013, 9:36 pm

BobHelm wrote:Ask 1 question, in 1 thread & I will discuss with you forever.
Use your 'scatter gun' approach' & I have no interest in playing your games...

As I said to you way back then...start a new thread about it & I have no problem discussing ANYTHING....You never took me up then or since...

I'm not rehashing it. It's over. I don't even remember the topic. I don't have anything else to say about that occurrence or to you.

As for me 'being a moderator' I would request that you give absolute & full details as to when I have ever used that on this Forum to your disadvantage as a 'ordinary member'... You will not be able to do that either..

I didn't say that you did anything to anyone as a moderator. I said that you're a moderator and that's where I leave it.

There are innumerable posts on this forum that do not get responses, do not provide sources, do not provide opinions and do not refute information properly. I make every attempt to provide adequate information, and I think that in many cases it far exceeds the norm that I see here. I will continue to follow rules and provide as much information as I can, but I will still make the choice to be selective in WHO I respond to on this forum.

Now, we should both understand one another much better.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 27, 2013, 9:46 pm

I have no problem whatever views anyone holds... I am glad that they make the effort to hold them & think about them..

I do not like insinuations & theories represented as 'THE TRUTH'. As long as they are represented as what they are (theories & ideas) I have no problem.... I might, however, state my 'theories & ideas' if they are different...But I will never say that they are 'TRUE' only the way I see things...

As long as we stay on that basis WBU I have absolutely no issue with whatever you wish to post & ,personally, I would welcome your viewpoint - as long as you can accept that it is not the only one & not, necessarily, the 'TRUTH' ...

Post by **mally** » May 27, 2013, 11:00 pm

Anyway, back on the farm.......so to speak, this act of terrorism may have been a step too far for the Radical Muslims. We (in the UK) are now hearing of a dramatic rise in reported attacks on Muslims, including fire bombs being thrown at Mosques.
Maybe, just maybe, they have steped over the line for many British people who have, until now, been tollerant of the
Muslim community. For a long time now I have been hearing many people complaining that "enough is enough" and have seen a simmering feeling of anger growing towards the way these people exploit our freedom of speach to spout hate at the very country that they chose to come to.
I don't think we've seen or heard the last of this division between the UK Muslims and the rest of society.

Post by **SJP17** » May 28, 2013, 6:38 am

They say that the muslim religion is about a 1000 years behind Christianity in the sense of how absorbed and brainwashed they are buy it, I dont believe in any religion and for me i cant understand how folk can possibly believe it , to me there living in cloud cuckoo land.

There is not one single shred of scientific evidence to back up any religion and there never will be, theres more chance of some little green men appearing in a spaceship than there is of Jesus coming back or any other of the religious prophets.

Hope things get better but its difficult to see how it ever will at the moment.

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 28, 2013, 11:08 am

British Officials Knew Suspect in Soldier’s Death Had Ties to Al Qaedahttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world ... oC/q8JUew&

Apparently, these beheaders were not just two rogue nut-jobs.

A Foreign Office spokesman confirmed that the ministry had provided “consular assistance” in Kenya in 2010 to the man, Michael Adebolajo, 28, a British citizen of Nigerian descent. He had been arrested by the Kenyan police on suspicion of planning to join Al Shabab, an extremist group in Somalia that Britain has classified as a terrorist organization.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 28, 2013, 12:55 pm

That is just the thin edge of the wedge WBU.
On the BBC, according to a friend of Michael Adebolajo he was approached 6 months ago & offered a role as an informer by the British Security Services.
Their assessment at that time (6 months ago) was that he posted no danger to the general public.

Either they got it very, very wrong or something happened in the last 6 months to change that.

Either way Ms. May's departments have some serious questions to answer & her bleating on about Muslim extremists will not alter that, whatever she wishes...

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 28, 2013, 1:00 pm

BobHelm wrote:On the BBC, according to a friend of Michael Adebolajo he was approached 6 months ago & offered a role as an informer by the British Security Services.

Saw that. I think I posted it in this thread, but not sure. I know I read it someplace.

Post by **FrazeeDK** » May 28, 2013, 4:07 pm

seeing as how around 10 former associates of Michael Adebolajo have been arrested for conspiracy to murder I wouldn't put too much stock in what a former friend of his says.. That said, I was rather astonished the other day when the BBC reporter mentioned that perhaps the British Security Service did indeed approach the perpetrator and maybe that "drove him over the edge."... What utter twaddle..

Post by **BobHelm** » May 28, 2013, 4:23 pm

FrazeeDK wrote: That said, I was rather astonished the other day when the BBC reporter mentioned that perhaps the British Security Service did indeed approach the perpetrator and maybe that "drove him over the edge."... What utter twaddle..

I think if that is his defence then it will not get very far with any jury...

The 'arrests' are interesting as the police are releasing very few details - except for M/F & age.
2 have been released without charge & 1 is still being held, but the rest have all been released on police bail. That seems a strange situation if they are actually going to be charged with conspiracy to commit murder...

I understand that the 2 who committed the act have not yet been interviewed by the police & will not be until they are allowed to leave the hospital.
I gather that the reasoning behind that is that the police do not want the clock to start ticking until they are fully fit to face a lengthy questioning session..

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 29, 2013, 9:59 am

UK Police Arrest 10th Suspect in Soldier's Slaying
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013 ... rs-slaying

Numbers are growing.

Post by **WBU ALUM** » May 29, 2013, 5:11 pm

Wow. Talk about PC run amuck.

BBC reporter apologizes for quoting source who said London stabbers had ‘Muslim appearance’http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... o-said-lo/

The BBC editor said he was only quoting a senior Whitehall source, who was told by police that the attackers were “of Muslim appearance” and were shouting “Allahu Akbar.”

I would think that if someone was beheading someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight and shouting "Allahu Akbar," then they would have a Muslim appearance.

Post by **Aardvark** » May 29, 2013, 5:18 pm

WBU ALUM wrote:Wow. Talk about PC run amuck.

BBC reporter apologizes for quoting source who said London stabbers had ‘Muslim appearance’http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... o-said-lo/

The BBC editor said he was only quoting a senior Whitehall source, who was told by police that the attackers were “of Muslim appearance” and were shouting “Allahu Akbar.”
I would think that if someone was beheading someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight and shouting "Allahu Akbar," then they would have a Muslim appearance.

Unless they were wearing a Tutu and a little Crown with Pink Stockings