Obama: Dead in the Water...is it true?

[udonmarc]

That strikes me as a little harsh.

What?

Sorry, it wasn't clear. Labeling the Quinnipiac Polling Institute as a liberal (i.e., biased) organization. It has a good reputation in the industry. It's funded internally in the university, accepts no outside funding and has no clients. It conducts the polls it feels like conducting and makes them available publicly.

[farlong68]

dr. just what iffing we would polled the staff of Q.U. do you think they would label themselves cons. or libs. and if we ckd their party affilation whats the odds it would lean to the left....real clear politics polls which is an average of all the polls have the pres. in even worst shape but then again not hurting his golf game... just saying john

[LilRed]

He, he, he...

[WBU ALUM]

That strikes me as a little harsh.

What?

Sorry, it wasn't clear. Labeling the Quinnipiac Polling Institute as a liberal (i.e., biased) organization. It has a good reputation in the industry. It's funded internally in the university, accepts no outside funding and has no clients. It conducts the polls it feels like conducting and makes them available publicly.

Never said it was a biased organization. Said it was a liberal group. They have a history of slanting liberal. Many of their polls slant that way vs others. I could agree with most of what you said about Q.

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[udonmarc]

They have a history of slanting liberal.

Isn't that definition of bias?

[udonmarc]

dr. just what iffing we would polled the staff of Q.U. do you think they would label themselves cons. or libs. and if we ckd their party affilation whats the odds it would lean to the left....real clear politics polls which is an average of all the polls have the pres. in even worst shape but then again not hurting his golf game... just saying john

You do raise an interesting question. The problem, however, is that virtually no one is without an opinion, especially in the political "business." So the logical extension of the point you make is that there are no unbiased polls. The two important areas in which you can make a poll unbiased is the questions (the way they are worded, their sequence in the survey instrument, etc.) and the sample, the people you interview. I believe that one can hold an opinion, persepective or even leaning and still maintain objectivity in conducting a poll, though you may or may not like the outcome.

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I seem to recall folks calling Nate Silver's election predictions slanted because he had a column in the NYT. Nate leaves all the politics/political leanings out of his polls. Data, pure data.
In this week's Nate Silver column, he discusses the Quinnipiac poll.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... more-40693

[WBU ALUM]

They have a history of slanting liberal.

Isn't that definition of bias?

If you want it to be. It can be anything you wish. I just find that their polls hardly ever show a conservative view. You can knitpick one word or one line of the entire post all you wish. Some others on here like to do that, too. The thread is about Obama and his poll numbers dropping like a rock, not whether or not I view Q as a liberal group. If you take that word out of there, you'd have nothing to talk about.

I'll leave it there. I feel another round-and-round roundabout coming on over something that isn't even the subject of the thread. Funny, I never see anyone else with similar opinions -- or stronger ones -- put through these types of gyrations, but it is becoming common with the territory.

Have a nice day, Dr. H.

[jackspratt]

They have a history of slanting liberal.

Isn't that definition of bias?

If you want it to be. It can be anything you wish. I just find that their polls hardly ever show a conservative view. You can knitpick one word or one line of the entire post all you wish. Some others on here like to do that, too. The thread is about Obama and his poll numbers dropping like a rock, not whether or not I view Q as a liberal group. If you take that word out of there, you'd have nothing to talk about.

I'll leave it there. I feel another round-and-round roundabout coming on over something that isn't even the subject of the thread. Funny, I never see anyone else with similar opinions -- or stronger ones -- put through these types of gyrations, but it is becoming common with the territory.

Have a nice day, Dr. H.

Welcome to Udon Map, Dr H.

You were, of course, correct.

[gudtymchuk]

With each new poll it is increasingly clear that the former Community Organizer and now Weasel 'n Chief is promulgating a fascinating desire to have a legacy much the same as the infamous Peanut Farmer.

[udonmarc]

Isn't that definition of bias?

If you want it to be. It can be anything you wish. I just find that their polls hardly ever show a conservative view. You can knitpick one word or one line of the entire post all you wish. Some others on here like to do that, too. The thread is about Obama and his poll numbers dropping like a rock, not whether or not I view Q as a liberal group. If you take that word out of there, you'd have nothing to talk about.

I'll leave it there. I feel another round-and-round roundabout coming on over something that isn't even the subject of the thread. Funny, I never see anyone else with similar opinions -- or stronger ones -- put through these types of gyrations, but it is becoming common with the territory.

Have a nice day, Dr. H.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. You made a statement with which I disagreed. Each of us responded civilly to the other. Is there a problem here which I missed?

[papaguido]

Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers

The leaders of three major U.S. unions, including the highly influential Teamsters, have sent a scathing open letter to Democratic leaders in Congress, warning that unless changes are made, President Obama’s health care reform plan will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

Wow, talk about buyer’s remorse…

We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intellig ... f-workers/

and so, now it may not be so good for the middle class...who does ACA benefit again??

[WBU ALUM]

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intellig ... f-workers/

Yes, it was bound to happen. There will be more defections as the tyranny and totalitarian extreme of all of this is realized. The unions are waking up to the fact that Obama can't be for "the little guy" and also be for the vast expansion of Big Government control and power.

Liberalism has ideas that are so good, they have to be mandated. And then the Liberals who passed the legislation and forced it upon the citizenry, exempted themselves and the president -- who wanted it forced -- from having to use it. Now that's rich -- and rooted in hypocrisy.

I hope the Unions are happy with the results of their campaign donations. This is a Genie with which they will struggle mightily to get back in the bottle. Since it's got nothing to do with health care, but is instead about power, control, and money, it won't go away soon. The Big Government crowd, who thinks the role of government is to confiscate wealth and redistribute it, are not going to listen to the unions who have changed their mind on this and realize that ObamaCare is destructive. To those who think the answer is "Eat the rich," this monstrosity of a law will eat away at the entire society -- everyone -- including those it was designed to help.

When ObamaCare was presented as the only viable option, and everything else was ignored, they threw out everything -- including those things that worked and those things that the People liked -- to give all Americans something that the vast majority did not want. There's no question that people were unsettled over the rising costs of care, but they didn't say to take away their freedom to choose. They didn't say to let the government control it. We still don't know the extent of the damage that this law will bring, but we're getting a really good idea with each passing day.

When Nancy Pelosi said, "We have to pass it to see what was in it", I knew it was a sham. If the Liberal leadership can't explain it, then it's because they don't want the People to know. ObamaCare was not a plan for improving health care at all, but an open door by which government could control health care and a huge pile of cash through a myriad of bureaucracies like the IRS. That's why the IRS is the leg-breaker in charge of collections. Tell me again why ObamaCare is so great? Tell me again that if it's so great why the IRS has to force it upon Americans?

Yes, the Liberals have all the answers -- but they must be mandated. No choice, unless you want to abort a fetus in the womb. Then Liberals are pro-choice.

... "From each according to his ability, to each according to their needs" ...

[WBU ALUM]

Another lie exposed. CBO makes a $115 Billion mistake. ObamaCare will not reduce costs, there will be less access, and it will not reduce the deficit.

Great leadership. Good start. Right.

[gudtymchuk]

Is full repeal of Obamacare on the way?

Will Harry join Nancy on the political "Back Row"?

Brian Schweitzer move aids GOP in battle for Senate - One down, five to go. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/b ... html?hp=f1

[LilRed]

Is full repeal of Obamacare on the way?

Will Harry join Nancy on the political "Back Row"?

Brian Schweitzer move aids GOP in battle for Senate - One down, five to go. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/b ... html?hp=f1


I surely hope not!

Wat's da score, now?

ATB

[WBU ALUM]

Is full repeal of Obamacare on the way?

Will Harry join Nancy on the political "Back Row"?

Brian Schweitzer move aids GOP in battle for Senate - One down, five to go. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/b ... html?hp=f1

There's one thing politicians crave -- staying in office. If ObamaCare becomes the destructive force that it appears to already be, you can bet some Democrats will get on board to return health care decisions to the citizens. If Dems don't do the Will of the People, they risk their political careers.

The 2010 Midterm Election was a stern lesson. The Congress that passed ObamaCare was rejected. Huge numbers of Democrats were sent home. We'll see if the lesson was learned by those who are left.

[WBU ALUM]

Moving from one mess to another. Obama has become his own worst enemy.

Remark by Obama Complicates Military Sexual Assault Trials
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/ob ... l0=y&_r=2&

It wasn't that long ago that Obama harshly criticized members of the military -- publicly -- who commit sexual assault. Obama said they should be "“prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court-martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged ...” Obama created what is called “unlawful command influence" by these remarks. As a result, his words will complicate almost all prosecutions for sexual assault.

“Unlawful command influence” refers to actions of commanders that could be interpreted by jurors as an attempt to influence a court-martial, in effect ordering a specific outcome. Mr. Obama, as commander in chief of the armed forces, is considered the most powerful person to wield such influence.

The president’s remarks might have seemed innocuous to civilians, but military law experts say defense lawyers will seize on the president’s call for an automatic dishonorable discharge, the most severe discharge available in a court-martial, arguing that his words will affect their cases.

A dishonorable discharge is far less harsh than conviction by a military court and sentencing to a term in military prison. The president's remarks have already affected several trials, allowing defense lawyers to move for dismissal, arguing that the president's remarks tainted their cases.

Obama regularly shoots his mouth off in ways that affect the course of justice. In 2009, he said that Cambridge, Massachusetts police had "acted stupidly" in arresting Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. In 2012, he weighed in on the case of Trayvon Martin and made the ridiculous comment that Martin could be his son -- which added pressure on state and local authorities to prosecute George Zimmerman, who was acquitted Saturday. Police had initially declined to charge Zimmerman due to a strong self-defense claim.

Obama either doesn't know what he's doing, or he doesn't care. Neither is good.

[WBU ALUM]

Leadership? Good start? Yes, it's a good start in putting even more strain on household budgets.

The newscaster tries to promote the new law by leaving out all of the logistical snags that have been reported. She can't ignore the coming premium hikes, but tries to minimize it by saying that only a "small number" in the individual market will be affected. That "small number" is in the MILLIONS.

She also fails to address the many people with employer-based insurance who will either lose their coverage, have their hours reduced, or see their costs continue to increase within their existing plan.

President Obama told Americans his plan would reduce healthcare costs by an average of $2,500 per family. That’s not happening.

Obamacare Co-Author: This Puppy's Looking Like a "Huge Train Wreck" So Far
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/ ... g-n1570826

Surprise: Obamacare Progress Report Not Looking So Hot
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/ ... t-n1623188

California insurance commissioner: We could “have a real disaster on our hands” with identify theft, fraud, and abuse
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/14/c ... and-abuse/

Poll: 12 percent back individual mandate taking effect in 2014
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... te-delayed

New Study Underlines Unfulfilled Promises of Health Care Bill
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... care-bill/

More Americans Disapprove of the Affordable Care Act
http://www.gallup.com/video/163328/amer ... x?ref=more

NBC/WSJ Poll: Obamacare's Unpopularity "Reaches New Highs"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/ ... l-n1614414

[parrot]

This headline from the NYT. It must not be true.
"Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%"

an extract:
"Supporters of the new health care law, the Affordable Care Act, credited the drop in rates to the online purchasing exchanges the law created, which they say are spurring competition among insurers that are anticipating an influx of new customers. The law requires that an exchange be started in every state.

“Health insurance has suddenly become affordable in New York,” said Elisabeth Benjamin, vice president for health initiatives with the Community Service Society of New York. “It’s not bargain-basement prices, but we’re going from Bergdorf’s to Filene’s here.”

“The extraordinary decline in New York’s insurance rates for individual consumers demonstrates the profound promise of the Affordable Care Act,” she added."


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/healt ... 50.html?hp