Hello,
I just bought a building lot in Nong Toh and trying to find out how much it would cost to replace the poles and barbed wire with a block / cement wall.
To start with, I have no clue how it is build; do they have to make a concrete base first or is just put on top of a mortar base ?
So far I have received two quotes; one 450 baht per running meter and another for 230 bt.
This is for labour only, cement blocks were mentioned to be 5 bt a piece.
Seems to be a huge difference in price so I am wondering if there is anything that could affect the quality of the work ?
Shortcuts taken ?
Any advice appreciated,
Nick
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
5 baht per block is rather on the expensive side....I think the cheap ones run at 2.5 to 3 & the better quality at 4.
As you think there is a huge difference in price/quality. The trick is to pay a fair price for a good quality. Some will undoubtedly think that the cheapest price gets & so price cheap & build cheap. Others will wish to do a quality job & price for quality products. Both are fair enough, at least you know what you are getting. The problem arises when the price is high & you end up getting low quality for your money. That is a lot harder to control.
The build for a wall should, basically, follow this format to be an effective barrier that stands a chance of lasting.
Holes are sunk - depends on the ground as to how deep, but should probably be about a meter deep unless you are on rock.
A re-enforced concrete base is built as the base of the hole (at least half a meter square) & then a re-enforced pillar is built out of that base to the height required. This should be repeated at about every 4 to 5 meters. A re-enforced beams is then built across from pillar to pillar starting at just slightly below ground level and for about every meter in height.
Concrete blocks are then used as in fill & then complete wall is skimmed & painted.
There are building suppliers that supply pillars & beams, but most Thai builders will want to create from scratch in situ.
So...the sort of places money can be saved (& by the builder, not necessarily you
)...
Quality of cement & sand used.
Quality of blocks.
Diameter of steel re-enforcement.
Good luck, it is an experience...
i have not been on here for a long time (no need) but this is an excellent place to read all about build & quality in Thailand.
http://www.coolthaihouse.com/
As you think there is a huge difference in price/quality. The trick is to pay a fair price for a good quality. Some will undoubtedly think that the cheapest price gets & so price cheap & build cheap. Others will wish to do a quality job & price for quality products. Both are fair enough, at least you know what you are getting. The problem arises when the price is high & you end up getting low quality for your money. That is a lot harder to control.
The build for a wall should, basically, follow this format to be an effective barrier that stands a chance of lasting.
Holes are sunk - depends on the ground as to how deep, but should probably be about a meter deep unless you are on rock.
A re-enforced concrete base is built as the base of the hole (at least half a meter square) & then a re-enforced pillar is built out of that base to the height required. This should be repeated at about every 4 to 5 meters. A re-enforced beams is then built across from pillar to pillar starting at just slightly below ground level and for about every meter in height.
Concrete blocks are then used as in fill & then complete wall is skimmed & painted.
There are building suppliers that supply pillars & beams, but most Thai builders will want to create from scratch in situ.
So...the sort of places money can be saved (& by the builder, not necessarily you
)...Quality of cement & sand used.
Quality of blocks.
Diameter of steel re-enforcement.
Good luck, it is an experience...
i have not been on here for a long time (no need) but this is an excellent place to read all about build & quality in Thailand.
http://www.coolthaihouse.com/
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
IMO 450bht per meter is bloody expensive, when we built our wall we paid 250bht per 2.5m. The wall was built such that the upright pillars are 2.5m apart. Pretty good explanation from Bob and I agree with his price per block, I actually just ordered some and paid 2.5 bht each.
A word of advice, when the building is going on keep an eye on them, I've heard stories of cement bags going missing for other jobs. We were lucky enough to have family friends do our wall. We also had, and have, an agreement with the building material suppliers that we ordered what we needed when we needed it and paid at the end of the job rather than paying as the job went along, they kept a copy of everything ordered and I was given the original. We also got 30 days credit from them, I guess I spend too much there.
A word of advice, when the building is going on keep an eye on them, I've heard stories of cement bags going missing for other jobs. We were lucky enough to have family friends do our wall. We also had, and have, an agreement with the building material suppliers that we ordered what we needed when we needed it and paid at the end of the job rather than paying as the job went along, they kept a copy of everything ordered and I was given the original. We also got 30 days credit from them, I guess I spend too much there.
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Bob and Chriss,
Thank you so much for the how-to description and price info.
Almost looks like you need a project manager to manage<g>
Very nice website Bob, [coolthaihouse] will be spending a lot of time on it !
Any building supply store you could recommend or are they just about the same ?
I like to give some business to the local supply store in Nong Poh, but only if quality and price are about the same.
Thank you so much for the how-to description and price info.
Almost looks like you need a project manager to manage<g>
Very nice website Bob, [coolthaihouse] will be spending a lot of time on it !
Any building supply store you could recommend or are they just about the same ?
I like to give some business to the local supply store in Nong Poh, but only if quality and price are about the same.
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
It is hard to recommend where to buy I think. The thing to do is if you are in Udon have a look around Global a maybe Home Pro to see what sort of price they charge. There are delivery charges from them if you are far outside Udon though. In my experience these 'big boys' are not significantly cheaper than the small outlets, except you could be rather more certain that they would charge you for the quality offered, is all...
Then look around locally & see if you can get similar deals from some of the local places. I am pretty sure that if you offer to buy all the sand, stone, cement, blocks, ironwork & paint from one local place that you can negotiate a 'deal' on the lot. On the other hand if the local places seem fairly priced anyway then it might be a matter of seeing who has the best individual deal on a specific item.
There is a bit of trust necessary when you buy the materials. Especially on the loose products you buy (sand, stone) so it is important to use someone that has a good reputation, as much as the cheapest price.
As has already been pointed out the building trade in Thailand is the same as it is the world over & if YOU do not keep a close eye on things then you can expect to be ripped off...
Then look around locally & see if you can get similar deals from some of the local places. I am pretty sure that if you offer to buy all the sand, stone, cement, blocks, ironwork & paint from one local place that you can negotiate a 'deal' on the lot. On the other hand if the local places seem fairly priced anyway then it might be a matter of seeing who has the best individual deal on a specific item.
There is a bit of trust necessary when you buy the materials. Especially on the loose products you buy (sand, stone) so it is important to use someone that has a good reputation, as much as the cheapest price.
As has already been pointed out the building trade in Thailand is the same as it is the world over & if YOU do not keep a close eye on things then you can expect to be ripped off...
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Thanks Bob,
Well that is exactly what happened today, I got ripped off.
I got water services put in today by a government sub-contractor.
After he installed the water meter, I had my TGF ask how much it would cost to run a pipe to a big clay pot.
Answer 20 bt per meter, 12 meter in total so 240 bt, expensive but I wanted the water in fast and fill up the clay pot !
I went to get the parts and after that he installed everything; total time about one hour including the waiting for me to return.
After he was done I asked how much ? and the girlfriend said 25 bt per meter, I said no way you're wrong but after she went to talk to him and paid him and after he left she told me he said the bill was 400 bt which comes to 33 bt per meter !!
Good days work 400 bt for 1 hour.
Good lesson for me to get more involved and have things written down.
On a related subject, I got a quote today to build a 12 x 9 garage with 9 pillars and a concrete floor for 22.000 bt (labour only) which seems like a good price ?
Well that is exactly what happened today, I got ripped off.
I got water services put in today by a government sub-contractor.
After he installed the water meter, I had my TGF ask how much it would cost to run a pipe to a big clay pot.
Answer 20 bt per meter, 12 meter in total so 240 bt, expensive but I wanted the water in fast and fill up the clay pot !
I went to get the parts and after that he installed everything; total time about one hour including the waiting for me to return.
After he was done I asked how much ? and the girlfriend said 25 bt per meter, I said no way you're wrong but after she went to talk to him and paid him and after he left she told me he said the bill was 400 bt which comes to 33 bt per meter !!
Good days work 400 bt for 1 hour.
Good lesson for me to get more involved and have things written down.
On a related subject, I got a quote today to build a 12 x 9 garage with 9 pillars and a concrete floor for 22.000 bt (labour only) which seems like a good price ?
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Just a little feedback on my original question...
The wall is almost finished now and I am very pleased with the level of skill displayed by the workmen. [5]
I settled for an offer of 400 baht per running meter [2m high] with me supplying all the materials.
The girlfriend got the price reduced to 380 bt.
The original lenght was supposed to be 47 meter with 4 columns for a recessed gate opening.
When they were almost done with all the posts I decided to add another 15 meter.
We're in the 3rd week now and the first 47 meter section is being finished off.
I am not sure if painting is included in the price, if it was discussed then I forgot about it, will have to wait and see.
The wall is almost finished now and I am very pleased with the level of skill displayed by the workmen. [5]
I settled for an offer of 400 baht per running meter [2m high] with me supplying all the materials.
The girlfriend got the price reduced to 380 bt.
The original lenght was supposed to be 47 meter with 4 columns for a recessed gate opening.
When they were almost done with all the posts I decided to add another 15 meter.
We're in the 3rd week now and the first 47 meter section is being finished off.
I am not sure if painting is included in the price, if it was discussed then I forgot about it, will have to wait and see.
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
well michigan,
this is how to do it , updating with a feedback what happened after you got advise on UM, maybe other will follow this ,
about your wall ,380/m is normal price , and as of buying the material your self , i also always do like this , most cheap to get things done...,( about painting the wall , in my home i did not paint the surrounding wall,because once you paint you always have to paint and the wall get quickly dirty , now i only clean with high pressure)......
good luck with the rest of the wall
this is how to do it , updating with a feedback what happened after you got advise on UM, maybe other will follow this ,
about your wall ,380/m is normal price , and as of buying the material your self , i also always do like this , most cheap to get things done...,( about painting the wall , in my home i did not paint the surrounding wall,because once you paint you always have to paint and the wall get quickly dirty , now i only clean with high pressure)......
good luck with the rest of the wall
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I agree it is always nice to hear how things turned out - especially when it is good news.
Bit late now, but you mentioning paint made me remember.
I know that in some of the Mediterranean countries they actually add colour (I am not sure if they use paint or a powder dye) in with the last mix of cement used for 'skimming' surfaces, rather than painting. I think the idea is that it prevents the paint 'peeling' in the direct sunlight.
As kopkei says it is maintenance that will never be completed. The fungal resistant paint is very expensive & is only that - resistant. Normal emulsion does tend to get very dirty looking (because of 'growth') as soon as a wet season arrives.
Bit late now, but you mentioning paint made me remember.
I know that in some of the Mediterranean countries they actually add colour (I am not sure if they use paint or a powder dye) in with the last mix of cement used for 'skimming' surfaces, rather than painting. I think the idea is that it prevents the paint 'peeling' in the direct sunlight.
As kopkei says it is maintenance that will never be completed. The fungal resistant paint is very expensive & is only that - resistant. Normal emulsion does tend to get very dirty looking (because of 'growth') as soon as a wet season arrives.
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
you also have work with a non painted wall, as bob says , after the rain season the walls will be black, dirty from fungus , but in my case i clean them up with the high pressure water spray...., which you can not use when painted wall ,as you would spray of the paint , and you can start repaint again, even you use the most expensive paint , you will get the same results..., so think twice before painting large surfaces.....
Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Thanks for the feedback.
I never really considered not painting it at all...
But for now I have put it on the backburner, I have some other expenses to take care off first.
Would waterwashing with a bleach solution kill the fungus ?
Too bad I don't have a picture of the scorpion that came out of the left over bricks pieces when I was trying to clean it up; it wasn't aggresive and just crawled on the wall and hid in one of the crevices on the top of the wall.
I never really considered not painting it at all...
But for now I have put it on the backburner, I have some other expenses to take care off first.
Would waterwashing with a bleach solution kill the fungus ?
Too bad I don't have a picture of the scorpion that came out of the left over bricks pieces when I was trying to clean it up; it wasn't aggresive and just crawled on the wall and hid in one of the crevices on the top of the wall.
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Yes Bleach will clean the fungus and there is a special paint to use after that or it's an annual event
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Re: How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
That's a good price. The lowest quote we've had so far is 1,000bt per running meter.Michigan wrote:I settled for an offer of 400 baht per running meter [2m high] with me supplying all the materials.
The girlfriend got the price reduced to 380 bt.
Would you mind sharing your builders contact details? Our wall will be over 250 meters so we're looking for the best price. Otherwise we may settle for a natural hedge type wall.
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That seems like a ridiculous price, unless they include the building materials as well ?
My builder will be working for me for the next 4 weeks or more, so in case you're in a hurry you can call the other offer I got for 450 bt, he came recommended from a friend of mine but I decided to use local trades people:
Ped (block wall): 087-2371932
Please give me some feedback in case there is a reason I shouldn't recommend him anymore.
My builder will be working for me for the next 4 weeks or more, so in case you're in a hurry you can call the other offer I got for 450 bt, he came recommended from a friend of mine but I decided to use local trades people:
Ped (block wall): 087-2371932
Please give me some feedback in case there is a reason I shouldn't recommend him anymore.
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ? 2013 Update
Hi
Anyone had a wall built recently? I must put up a new wall on one side of our land. At 35 metres long and 2 metres high I have been quoted B1600/meter (labor only) which I think is very expensive. I would expect that price to be "all inclusive" at least. Does anyone have recent experience? What about these newer prefab walls that slot into the posts. Has anyone seen these for sale or possabily built a wall with this system?
Anyone had a wall built recently? I must put up a new wall on one side of our land. At 35 metres long and 2 metres high I have been quoted B1600/meter (labor only) which I think is very expensive. I would expect that price to be "all inclusive" at least. Does anyone have recent experience? What about these newer prefab walls that slot into the posts. Has anyone seen these for sale or possabily built a wall with this system?
We may have all come on different ships, but we're in the same boat now
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
The house next to us had a wall built, fortunately on the other side, about 6 months ago.
The wall is approx 20 meter in length and 1.5 meter high.
6 workers on 300 baht a day and took them 6 days.
So 10,800 baht for 30 meters (length x height) = 360 baht per meter.
I will point out the quality was not the best, but it's still standing, and it was local lads and not a building company
The wall is approx 20 meter in length and 1.5 meter high.
6 workers on 300 baht a day and took them 6 days.
So 10,800 baht for 30 meters (length x height) = 360 baht per meter.
I will point out the quality was not the best, but it's still standing, and it was local lads and not a building company
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
Current prices for builders who know their job and do a proper job (every second post with an angled support, lots of steel) is 1000-1200 baht per metre. Labour only. You do not want problems with perimeter walls 6 months later or a couple of years down the road. My perimeter wall is the same now as it was 8 years ago when built. I would not expect 1600 baht to be all inclusive. Have you seen the price of steel lately. Add quality cement, sand etc etc...
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
I will second this, the other prices quoted are bordering on the ridiculous.thaiguzzi wrote: by thaiguzzi » November 7, 2013, 2:00 pm
Current prices for builders who know their job and do a proper job (every second post with an angled support, lots of steel) is 1000-1200 baht per metre. Labour only. You do not want problems with perimeter walls 6 months later or a couple of years down the road. My perimeter wall is the same now as it was 8 years ago when built. I would not expect 1600 baht to be all inclusive. Have you seen the price of steel lately. Add quality cement, sand etc etc...
How much for labour to build perimeter wall ?
it really does depend on how the wall supports are built, if they dig a hole and put in steel reinforced coloums ( made by hand ) and then put in a supporting beam along the bottom of the wall also steel reinforced,
( although that all takes time ) the need for angles supports is largely un-neccessary, my wall was built some 20 odd years ago and is still standing, the expense of that type of wall I have no idea, however it won't come down will stand earth loss and once up is strong. I would find a chap to build the wall how you want, then ask him for a quote then it us up to him how much he pays his staff. The beauty of this type of wall i that you can then have bigger entrance columns to take the gate supports if and when you have one. if your going to build go the whole hog have it done properly.
( although that all takes time ) the need for angles supports is largely un-neccessary, my wall was built some 20 odd years ago and is still standing, the expense of that type of wall I have no idea, however it won't come down will stand earth loss and once up is strong. I would find a chap to build the wall how you want, then ask him for a quote then it us up to him how much he pays his staff. The beauty of this type of wall i that you can then have bigger entrance columns to take the gate supports if and when you have one. if your going to build go the whole hog have it done properly.