Blighty and the UKIP Revolution

[Earnest]

Many of the things that are blamed on the Big Brother of the EU would have been introduced into the UK if they were members or not. They will not now be removed if the UK leaves.

Ah, you've tapped into something interesting here.

What examples were you thinking of?

[BobHelm]

Ah, lets do it the other way around Earnest as you said

Furthermore, I see Europe in a larger context as the model is federalist and socialist squeezing our sovereignty

first...
You say in what way & I am pretty sure that I can find similar squeezings in countries that have no truck with the EU. It is part of the ever changing world...

[Khun Paul]

The rise of UKIP is to be expected with the European Union attempting to do away with our historic laws and furthermore try to tell us how to run our country, we after all only voted to join the Common market, not seek to be shoulder to shoulder with old enemies .
While sitting over here looking at the bloody shambles that has become UK's politicians as well as the way the country is slowly appears to be going down the tubes, one does feel hopeless, same as here with the politicians ruining the country and being unable to make a difference.

In truth some strong opinionated people will make a difference where-ever they are and while I do not agree 100% with UKIP it does have some good ideas and with some I am sure behind the scenes dealing some of their polices will make it to the statute book hopefully.

It is mirrored in many other countries this phenomenon of going against the establishment , is a sort of wake up call and if it does nothing but make you think , then it has achieved its aim.

For too long the minorities have asked for and got the replies they wanted while the home-grown generations of British folk have been given a raw deal, it is time for the tide to turn gently.

Mass culls are not the way forward, but level footing for all would be a start. Although a mass cull would be I think far cheaper than anything else, at least the dead can't sue can they ??

[BobHelm]

Exactly what historic laws are the EU trying to do away with Paul??

[jackspratt]

For too long the minorities have asked for and got the replies they wanted while the home-grown generations of British folk have been given a raw deal, it is time for the tide to turn gently.

Mass culls are not the way forward, but level footing for all would be a start. Although a mass cull would be I think far cheaper than anything else, at least the dead can't sue can they ??

What does that final paragraph mean?

[Earnest]

I'm not sure but I wouldn't like to see anyone being culled.

You say in what way & I am pretty sure that I can find similar squeezings in countries that have no truck with the EU. It is part of the ever changing world...

I can use Norway as an example of a European country that sits outside the EU but works within the European Economic Area without having its sovereignty compromised.

Iceland too. Although I'll admit Reykjavik has been under the British/Dutch cosh for the Landsbanki fiasco. They still retain sovereignty and guard against any designs on affecting such.

Sorry, I have to go and finish decorating the master bedroom (literally, that's not a euphemism).

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Unhappily, Khun Paul seems to be advocating a 'final solution' type fix.

I don't think Sweden or Norway are part of the EU. Norway has oil, but what does Sweden have to make its way forward in the world?

England would be okay if there was still an Empire to exploit, and I don't think they can rely on trade with Canada, the U.S., Australia and New Zealand to keep going.

Friends from Roumania and Hungary inform me that many of the Balkan states are now run by right-wing gangsters much like they were in the 1930s.

[MALC]

well said mr earnest.yes i am a ukiper.and i have voted.for them.

[rick]

I'm with Bob on this. If we leave Europe our trade with them will go into slow decline, as it will be easier to source within the EU and more stable pricing. The idea that a world demand for our products exists is a fantasy (one - we don't make much any more, two - how do we compete? - cut wages, or devalue the currency?).

If we leave the EU within 5 years expect £ - euro parity or worse. Those pensions will not pay enough for you to stay in Thailand. If i could get my pensions paid in Euros (not converted, but paid in future on the euro value now), i would.

[rick]

I don't think Herr Paul's solution would work - gas is to expensive....

[Earnest]

I don't think Sweden or Norway are part of the EU.

Sweden is EU but Norway isn't, me old fruit.

[jackspratt]

I don't think Sweden or Norway are part of the EU.

Sweden is EU but Norway isn't, me old fruit.

Time for a change of name?

How does Uncle Old Fruit sound?

[mally]

I think too many people are just thinking that a vote for UKIP means you want them a government in power.
I voted UKIP, as did most, (if not all) of my mates, but I would not want them in power, just as I don't want to withdraw from the EU. So, just why did I (we) vote for them ?
Most importantly, it's because we do have real problems with the current immigration laws, and also the misuse of the Social Benefits by these immigrants. The established parties have been aware of this for many years but seem unwilling to tackle the problem - maybe even being scared of upsetting minorities. Well if putting a few of them off the gravy train, and worrying others about their places on this train, makes them wake up to the problem, then I'll vote UKIP.
Many of you Brits will be old enough to remember (like me) our referendum to join the then "Common Market", well I voted to join, and still support that idea, - a Common Market - but NOT open borders, not East Europeans and coming in to rape our social benefit system, with more than a few of them bringing their lawless behaviour with them.
So the message to our government has now been made, they took the largest share of votes in the European elections than any other party. Serve the will of the people, or get thrown off the gravy train.
You can think what you want about UKIP, but you cannot deny that the British people have spoken !

[Laan Yaa Mo]

No, I don't think that one will catch on with me, Khun Jack. 55+

[BobHelm]

Norway has a population of 5 million.
Its' wealth is driven by North Sea Oil.
The rest of the economy is dominated by state-ownership in strategic areas - real socialism.

Iceland (the country not the company) has a population of 325,671...
The country was on the road to ruin before the financial crash. It had to take on both World Bank & EU loans to bail it out
Fishing amounts for 27% (over a quarter) of the countries GDP.
It creates electricity from geothermal and hydroelectric energy sources from its' environment.
The manufacturing it does that accounts for another 21% of the GDP are all based around high electricity usage products - aluminium smelting for example.

England has a population of 53 Million - 10 times Norway & 162 times Iceland.
It has very little in the way of natural resources - the boon of North Sea Oil wasted by a variety of Governments.

So England is too big & has too little in the way of resources to do what either of the above have done & 'go it alone'...

[Earnest]

No, I don't think that one will catch on with me, Khun Jack. 55+

My apologies, I was affecting the kocker nee vernacular.

[Earnest]

So England is too big & has too little in the way of resources to do what either of the above have done & 'go it alone'...

Don't take this the wrong way but that's a very defeatist statement, Bob.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Well, London seems to be a haven for investments by high-rollers from around the globe so it's not all bad.

I'm trying to remember if Iceland has any trees or farming industry. The time I visited in January 1971, it was so dark for most of the day, I could hardly see anything.

[BobHelm]

No its is being a realist Earnest.
To potentially lose 50% of your export business. You see as an opportunity & a risk worth taking for a belief that you will get something you call 'independence'.
Frankly Earnest I think that is lunacy & would have called it as such if ever anyone had suggested it in a company business meeting.
Rather than being Independent England would be pushed around by every bully boy in the World - & there are plenty of them. The majority of generated electricity would need to have supplies shipped from our now 'former friends' from Poland or as gas across the whole of Europe from Russia.
Just about the worst position for any country to be in & to think people want to allow the country to be put in that deliberately..

The problem I see with the whole EU thing is that Westminster was not dismantled when we signed up.
England should have had a its' own regional Government (based somewhere in the Midlands) & the 2 Houses should have been left as tourist attractions.

[BobHelm]

Well, London seems to be a haven for investments by high-rollers from around the globe so it's not all bad.

Ask how many of the would remain in a non EU England, Uncle...
They would be heading off to Paris, Rome & Bonn - who are already looking to take that business but currently have no extra advantage to lever the move...