13 year old girl raped and killed on Thai overnight train

Post by **old-timer** » July 9, 2014, 8:51 pm

parrot wrote: there's always Dick Cheney......who is convinced to this day he did no evil.

How threads wander: Who would have guessed Dick Cheney's name would have appeared on this subject.

OT............ $\:D/$

Post by JR » July 9, 2014, 8:59 pm

Sometimes a punishment is not meant, primarily, to act as a deterrent but to prevent a criminal from causing a threat to other people. There are people who just cannot be allowed out on the streets and the alternative to they being kept in prison for decades cosing heaps of tax money is available. And there is always a risk that a prisoner may escape.

Something in this very sad story and that has not been mentioned here, is that the alledged murderer raped the 13-year old girl twice before strangling her and throwing her off the train!

I find it also puzzling that her sister was sleeping close by in the car but did not wake up.

Post by **jackspratt** » July 9, 2014, 9:13 pm

JR wrote: There are people who just cannot be allowed out on the streets and the alternative to they being kept in prison for decades cosing heaps of tax money is available. And there is always a risk that a prisoner may escape.

How many long term/life prisoners escape to offend again?

Would it be more or less than those who are incorrectly executed?

Both are examples of breakdown by the "justice" system.

How much does it cost in the US system to execute a person (after going through the extensive appeal processes), as opposed to keeping them in jail? You may be surprised if you check the data.

Post by **tinpeeba** » July 9, 2014, 11:45 pm

Strong reaction to this dreadful crime is very understandable but I still don't think the death penalty is the answer. There is a well argued case against it, which broadly reflects my views, in Khaosod:

http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?news ... section=00

Post by **patriot** » July 10, 2014, 1:24 am

A few years ago a western, female tourist was raped and murdered in the Krabi, Surat Thani, Samui area (sorry; can't remember where exactly) However, the Mother of the victim actually appealed to the judge NOT to hand out the death sentence to the perpetrator - a scum-bucket, mid-twenties, local fisherman who had been drinking and watching porn all day.
I think maybe that we (me as a Dad of a 30 year old and a 3 year old) can all learn something from this bold lady's humane attitude. ..... Me;? ..........

Post by **pomps** » July 10, 2014, 8:54 am

It was on Koh Samui in 2006,reading the story on the internet,normally life handed out when people plead guilty as in this case but at the time Thaksin wanted them to receive the 'hardest punishment possible' so the judge decided death.

Has the bloke shown any remorse for what he has done

RIP Kaem

Post by **socksy** » July 10, 2014, 9:26 am

This ba****d has taken an innocent young girls life after raping her. She had the right to life and he took it away so I believe he has no right to life. This guy is a serious risk to the public and if ever pardoned in the future he will remain so. The only way to deal with this risk is to eradicate it forever. Only my opinion and has been for many many years for Murderers, rapists. If this piece of scum was ever released would he ever be monitored by authorities here. Not as long as I've a hole in my ar*e. As you rightly point out Pomps - no remorse shown.

Post by **parrot** » July 10, 2014, 9:53 am

As times and civilizations change
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/opini ... nyt-region

Post by **jackspratt** » July 10, 2014, 10:04 am

parrot wrote:As times and civilizations change
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/opini ... nyt-region

A telling statistic from the NYT article:

In 1977, a mere 16 countries had abolished the death penalty; today 140 countries — over two-thirds of the world’s nations — have done so in law or practice.

=D>

Post by **Jing Jing** » July 10, 2014, 10:47 am

Unfortunately the death penalty amounts to a bandage on a servre social problem. Executing this person amounts to a tick the box solution. Once the rapist/murder is executed it will be business as usual and nothing is done to prevent another crisis.

SRT is in total denial of the situation.

Transport authorities admitted on Wednesday that cronyism and leniency were behind the employment of a man charged with the rape and murder.

:http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/
Ms Soithip Traisuth, permanent secretary for transport

said, adding it is time for all SRT staff to improve their efficiency to boost public confidence.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crimes/

And their solution is more CTV and women only cars and happy faces. How about solutions to address the cause of the problem. Maybe contracting with Thai Airlines to handle passenger train staff hiring and training. How about not alowing children to travel or be left alone on all public transportation. This is not the 1960's.

Post by **SanukJoe** » July 10, 2014, 1:08 pm

It seems the latest development has not reached this thread: the bastard has raped two female colleagues in June, on two different occasions, in a train. The women were too afraid to report it. He himself admitted the two rapes. Still he just had been promoted from temporary to permanent employee....

The three colleagues were also drinking during work time, in that same carriage, they saw the girl and the perp planned already to rape her. He might have talked about it with his mates and they could have joined in. Drinking during working hours is forbidden, says SRT, but anyone heard that they are fired? No. But the police investigates if it could have been a gang rape with one man taking the blame, all possible.

Wagons for women only only serve security if NO MEN are working on that carriage! Makes no sense to have a special wagon for women, with maybe doors that can be closed, but at the same time have males working there with a general key to open all doors..... Wagons for women yes, but with female staff and no entrance from other wagons.

As for death penalty, it still exists in Thailand, just have not been executed. In this case, where there is not the slightest doubt about the perp, plus the fact he is a serial rapist and now also killer, I'm fine with taking this piece of s... out of the human gene pool. Difference with the US is that someone can get 150 years in jail, prohibiting that through amnesty they can walk free. Thailand does not have that, if life sentence would be lowered through amnesty it would be changed to 20 years, meaning that after 10-12 years the idiot walks free again. That has to be prevented and death penalty is an excellent way in such clear cases as this one. Of course my personal opinion.

Post by **SanukJoe** » July 10, 2014, 1:11 pm

Just comes to mind: 11 years ago a woman was raped in a train by a SRT employee!

Now that this girl has been raped and killed the victim, who fled Thailand and lives in Greece, came forward and wrote letters to SRT and NCPO, to not let this happen again. Her dramatic words starting the letter are: "Why did it happen again?"

Post by **stattointhailand** » July 10, 2014, 2:57 pm

If those in power let sc*mbags like this live ..... because "we don't agree with the death penalty", I hope they are prepared to stand up, and explain why, to those raped/murdered in the future by re-offenders of which there are many.

Didn't someone mention that the guy that killed the local bar owner a few months ago was a previously convicted murderer

Post by **SanukJoe** » July 10, 2014, 5:07 pm

Right!

What about the idiot who raped and killed a 6 year old girl in Bangkok in December?

He was convicted and just free.....

He killed 4 or 5 kids the same way and raped another 3 or 4. But not jailed for life, not even for 10 years.....

It's not typical Thai, in the UK a rapist got into an "open prison", was allowed to go out during the weekend and guess what? He raped a woman! Needless to mention that he did not reported back on Sunday night in the prison...

Post by **wazza** » July 11, 2014, 4:25 am

If the Death Penalty works, why are people continuing to be sentenced to Death, it doesn't serve as a deterrent.

Post by **monkeyman** » July 11, 2014, 7:13 am

wazza wrote:If the Death Penalty works, why are people continuing to be sentenced to Death, it doesn't serve as a deterrent.

it works by them not being able to re-offend... once they are dead that is certain..

Post by **wazza** » July 11, 2014, 7:19 am

They dont reoffend whilst in jail either.

They argue its a deterant . but that clearly fails .

Post by **trubrit** » July 11, 2014, 7:26 am

wazza wrote:They dont reoffend whilst in jail either.
But they just might when eventually released or escape

They argue its a deterant . but that clearly fails .

Now how can you reach that conclusion? It certainly isn't clear to me. There is absolutely no way we can determine how many would be offenders are deterred by the likely penalty, we only know that some aren't. :-"

Post by **socksy** » July 11, 2014, 7:30 am

wazza wrote:They dont reoffend whilst in jail either.

They argue its a deterant . but that clearly fails .

Really Wazza. So they don't commit assaults (or worse) on other inmates/prison staff like in other countries. Give me 60,000 b a month and an employment visa to remove these scum from this mortal coil and I'd gladly do it. That said I've never killed anyone before so would have to serve an apprenticeship at 52 years.

Post by **wazza** » July 11, 2014, 7:38 am

Where is the proof that capital punishment works as a.deterant to others for comitting these serious crimes.

Gang rapes continue in India despite the threat of a death sentence...