Another shocking tourist death

[GT93]

I anticipate a PR disaster for Thailand here. I would expect the British press to follow this given one of the victims was a young blonde British female and she was raped and murdered on a beach. The Thais deserve what they are going to get on this.

I assume the likely perps are well enough connected to help push the BIB away from them and towards going against impoverished foreigners. That was, of course, their default position anyway.

[Earnest]

Agreed.

The Thai police never do well in the international spotlight, do they? They also never learn because we've been here before.

[dazzz]

Had my monthly visit of teachers from my wives school yesterday and high on the agenda for discussion was this case and all the teachers the head of police ,village head man do not believe these Burmese guys did it.Of all My Thai friends around the area i have yet to meet one who think these guys did it.
If they cannot convince their own population who usually believe all that authority tell them they will have a hard time convincing everyone else.
I have been to koh tao near that beach every year for 7 years every oct but i have cancelled this month and will never go there again .I have seen and heard the underlying evil there against tourists same as i have heard in khaosan road and samui .
If you can speak thai and go there and just listen to them talk when they think nobody understands about hating farangs , killing farangs, robbing farangs it is prevalent in all the tourist areas of thailand mainly directed against the new white skinned pushy type tourists who come here and act like they are somewhat superior to the asians but look very vunerable .
Anyone who goes to koh tao now is telling the thais there they can do this to your contrymen and get away with it . Only way to change it is to boycott the place as i have now done

[Earnest]

It sounds like you're lifting the lid on something quite interesting, Dazzz.

[dazzz]

Yes i come from tenby in wales ,lots tourists and everybody who does not make money off the dislike them for clogging up the roads driving prices up etc but its all just whinging really ,they know Tenby would be a poorer place without them and i assume its the same all over the world, call them grockles.
Except thailand ! I was in khaosan road last year having breakfast which was very slow when the russian couple on the next table asked how long it would be ,(i was there 40 mins and they were b4 me) the thai guy smiled and said some words in thai which they did not understand but i did a little and my wife did all of it ie i hate you and would like to kill you and rape your girlfriend so shut up and wait
. Same day a couple were looking at some clothes at a roadside stall when some thai guy wanted to cross the pavement but the couple did not know .The stall holder was telling the guy on the bike , go on kill them run them over , kill all the farangs.
On koh tao in a resort called cliff cottages only me and my wife were guests and in the restaurent at night the cambodian and thai workers talked as if we were not there about stealing money from farangs and raping farang women and killing the men and this bunch scared me and my wife we left 3 days early even after paying .
Same koh samed left after 2 days even though paid for a week after i complained about what they were saying about farangs in front of me and my wife and ended up with about 10 thai men and women around my table threastening me with machettes.
How about catching a bus from hua lamphong to samui but was refused to get on the bus as my wife was thai and no thais allowed.
Khaosan road ,lucky hotel white orchid hotel refused entry because my wife was thai.
Seems like not many farangs have much idea about the country they are visiting. The thais in the tourist areas hate you . Full stop

[Earnest]

And what about the Thais in the provinces, Udon for example?

[dazzz]

No i see a little in udon but not much and even in the tourist areas the isaan people always seem ok as my wife is always talking to them. Even the isaan tuk tuk drivers in khaosan were ok and good for a chat and the one guy who spat on my liverpool shirt i was informed was from bkk. My wife hates any thais from south of bangkok and i have to agree not very nice except really down south trat and chantaburri were nice down there .Perhaps years of tourism have changed them ,
Just watched the thai news , nobody believes the police not even the tv station and tomorrow the cambodian government is sending people to bangkok as they say they are not happy about this. Perhaps a bit forgotten in this is the cambodians and having their name degraded constantly by the thai police. The thai police stated (not sure i understood) but it seemed like they were saying they would start again .

[Earnest]

You mean Burmese?

[jai yen yen]

Yes i come from tenby in wales ,lots tourists and everybody who does not make money off the dislike them for clogging up the roads driving prices up etc but its all just whinging really ,they know Tenby would be a poorer place without them and i assume its the same all over the world, call them grockles.
Except thailand ! I was in khaosan road last year having breakfast which was very slow when the russian couple on the next table asked how long it would be ,(i was there 40 mins and they were b4 me) the thai guy smiled and said some words in thai which they did not understand but i did a little and my wife did all of it ie i hate you and would like to kill you and rape your girlfriend so shut up and wait
. Same day a couple were looking at some clothes at a roadside stall when some thai guy wanted to cross the pavement but the couple did not know .The stall holder was telling the guy on the bike , go on kill them run them over , kill all the farangs.
On koh tao in a resort called cliff cottages only me and my wife were guests and in the restaurent at night the cambodian and thai workers talked as if we were not there about stealing money from farangs and raping farang women and killing the men and this bunch scared me and my wife we left 3 days early even after paying .
Same koh samed left after 2 days even though paid for a week after i complained about what they were saying about farangs in front of me and my wife and ended up with about 10 thai men and women around my table threastening me with machettes.
How about catching a bus from hua lamphong to samui but was refused to get on the bus as my wife was thai and no thais allowed.
Khaosan road ,lucky hotel white orchid hotel refused entry because my wife was thai.
Seems like not many farangs have much idea about the country they are visiting. The thais in the tourist areas hate you . Full stop

When I first came to Thailand I was told not to learn Thai as I would not like what I would hear from the locals. The truth is we are not liked by a lot of Thai people. If there is no financial gain to be had there is no use for us to most of them.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

When I first came to Thailand I was told not to learn Thai as I would not like what I would hear from the locals. The truth is we are not liked by a lot of Thai people. If there is no financial gain to be had there is no use for us to most of them.

And why did you come to this country with such horrid people? What was the attraction for you?

I can understand Thai, and I have not heard, very often, the sort of thoughts you imagine Thai people say about 'us'.

However, if you want to badmouth 'us', there is a a lot of it on this forum from 'us' directed at 'us' for 'our' sometimes silly behaviour.

[jai yen yen]

When I first came to Thailand I was told not to learn Thai as I would not like what I would hear from the locals. The truth is we are not liked by a lot of Thai people. If there is no financial gain to be had there is no use for us to most of them.

And why did you come to this country with such horrid people? What was the attraction for you?

I can understand Thai, and I have not heard, very often, the sort of thoughts you imagine Thai people say about 'us'.

However, if you want to badmouth 'us', there is a a lot of it on this forum from 'us' directed at 'us' for 'our' sometimes silly behaviour.

I came to Thailand on a holiday 12 years ago with a friend as a stop over on our way to Bali, I was attracted to Thailand by many things but as time wore on and living there for 10 years I have learned a lot and have seen many changes, some good, some not so good. All you have to do is read the papers and and pay attention and you will see how things are in Thailand. I am still involved with Thailand because of my Thai wife and some good friends there but paradise it is not, at least not for myself and my wife who loves Vancouver island in B.C where we live most of the time. In fact if she could she would bring her entire family to Canada. Anyway just keep your rose colored glass's on and you will be fine.

[GT93]

From Stickman's most recent column (just above his readers story of the week):

The big talking point in expat circles this week has been the arrest of 3 Burmese migrant workers who police say have confessed to the rape and murder of two English backpackers on Ko Tao a few weeks ago. Thailand's expat forums leapt to life with many disbelieving of the confession. If you have followed the whole affair, there are more than a few things that don't add up causing some to question whether the police have arrested the right guys. What I find most interesting is that the same discussion is being had on the Thai language forums and the very same conclusion has been reached. Thai Internet users have been uncharacteristically outspoken and many are full of doubt as to whether the right trio are in handcuffs.

[GT93]

Personally I think the Thais by and large deserve a gold medal for their tolerance of farang from western countries. They get more than their fair share of scum or idiot farang. I wouldn't give them a medal for their treatment of people from poorer countries (e.g. the Burmese). I appreciate there are and will continue to be differing views on Thai acceptance of foreigners. I guess it's inevitable this thread will bring up posts on this aspect of Thai culture. I haven't had your experiences dazzz.

[Earnest]

I can understand Thai, and I have not heard, very often, the sort of thoughts you imagine Thai people say about 'us'.

This is something that our old chum, Cali, speaks of quite a bit. I must admit that I speak a smattering of phasa Thai but I've never heard anyone bad mouth me.

That said, I tackled the missus about it one day after I'd read one of Cali's posts and she said that it does go on, Thais do say unsavoury things about farangs in their presence. But then she went on to say that she hears similar in UK, people make derogatory comments about Thais (especially Thai women) when she's in earshot. There was a hairdresser in Yeovil my wife worked with whose husband (a policeman) had run away with a Thai girl and she used to have an issue people from LOS.

I suppose I'm saying we have to put it all in perspective.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

You and the dragon make excellent points.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Anyway just keep your rose colored glass's on and you will be fine.

Thank you. I am fine be it in Toronto or in Thailand, Laos, England, wherever.... 55+

Life is great, and I enjoy it to the hilt.

[Aardvark]

At least some one is listening .... http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/social/ ... hai-values

[socksy]

A response from a Thai Lawyer on another website to a foreigners question.

In Thailand, being in the wrong place and at the wrong time is a current and frequent reoccurring situation, and it can lead to imprisonment even as an innocent person. If you are asking the same question but in different scenarios regarding being with persons carrying or ingesting or digesting drugs is probably not the smartest thing on your side to begin with.

To answer your questions yes you can be stopped and searched and arrested for being in the wrong place and at the wrong time, You may be released without charges against you or the police may proceed to charge you.

My advice to you as a legal professional is to stay clear of drug users and stay clear of drug peddlers, Thai jail is not a fun place and can be a very scary experience for a foreigner.

Use proper judgement and caution.

[dazzz]

Personally I think the Thais by and large deserve a gold medal for their tolerance of farang from western countries. They get more than their fair share of scum or idiot farang. I wouldn't give them a medal for their treatment of people from poorer countries (e.g. the Burmese). I appreciate there are and will continue to be differing views on Thai acceptance of foreigners. I guess it's inevitable this thread will bring up posts on this aspect of Thai culture. I haven't had your experiences dazzz.

Same here not had your experience as in 7 years living in thailand never met a scum farang except the ones married to girls a third their age who are more perverts than scum.Not sure what an idiot farang is ?
Seems a big misunderstanding on these forums that when somebody says something bad about something that has happened in thailand they must be unhappy and dislike the country . there are rapes murders and robberies in all countries but there are punishments while in thailand there are not.
Rapes in my village in 7 yrs number over a dozen. 3 girls i know personally. One 15 yr old girl,rapist paid money ,no jail.
9yr old girl raped for nearly a yr by here uncle, somebody seen her bleeding and he was caught,no jail. When she was asked why she did not tell anyone she said she told her teacher. When my wife asked the teacher why she did nothing her answer"not my child,not my problem" what other country in the world would a teacher do that.
Went to the next village with my wife (teacher) to get some info on a little girl for school. Just getting dark as we went down a small track to a few houses all seemed empty except 1 little 7 yr old girl all alone sitting on a bamboo bed with a couple of dogs waiting for her parents to come home from the fields.
Sat with her for a while and my wife said she felt sorry for the girl. When i asked her she told me she was raped the year before by a neighbour. I was so shocked she had been raped at 6 and her she was sitting alone in the dark . No post traumatic treatment here.
I asked my wife if the guy got life in jail , no he got 3 months paid 10,000 baht to the family and is now working in Phuket. I see her poor innocent face all the time . I still see her in school ,she is 9 now, I hope it will not affect her future to much.
Because i report this does not mean i hate thailand or am not happy with my life and should not be told if i do not like it go home. I report it because it happened and while all these things happen in all countries these scum walking free does not.Rape and child sex means very little to thai people which is why the thai police on koh tao do not really care about the victims and justice ,just their face

[GT93]

What an extraordinary post dazzz.

I think you'll find a very low % of sex offenders get charged let alone convicted in western countries as well and that attitudes to sex offences vary across cultures and vary in the same culture over time.