American Embassy Warning

[parrot]

bump: "You may also may not know that the things they speak of in the report are pretty much them same training air crews go through in the event capture."

The people who went through that training in 1970 were told (in effect).....this is what the enemy might do to you to make you talk. We were also told that we (the US) didn't subscribe to such things....rather we complied with the Geneva Convention. I don't think even John McCain subscribed to the idea of an eye for an eye or a sliver of bamboo under the fingernail for a sliver of bamboo under the fingernail.

[Jing Jing]

Typical politician, Sen Feinstein, sits through hearings and briefings and decides now is the time to call the kettle bkack. Maybe if she really wants to fix the past she should start by explaining her apparent lack of moral courage to say no.

[jackspratt]

Typical politician, Sen Feinstein, sits through hearings and briefings and decides now is the time to call the kettle bkack. Maybe if she really wants to fix the past she should start by explaining her apparent lack of moral courage to say no.

Perhaps had she been told the truth during the hearings and briefings, she would have been in a better position to make that decision.

Plus I can imagine she, and the rest of her committee, would have been most impressed to find out that the CIA had been raiding and altering the committee's computers.

I suspect that real oversight is not something they relish. When their current boss, and former bosses have been shown to be lairs and law-breakers, I guess they have just got used to marching to the tune of their own drums. :-"

[GT93]

bump: "So there are a lot of reasons why the report should not have been released, we have total idiots running the joint."

We can bury our heads in the sand.....like some of our Asian neighbors about the atrocities that took place during WW II.......or we can hang our dirty laundry and hope (big HOPE) that we don't repeat the same mistakes again in the future.

I've considered this sort of thing (releasing the CIA report, Watergate and all the dirty laundry that flowed from it, the Pentagon Papers, My Lai, Abu Graib, even Snowden's actions)......what helps make the US different from so many other countries. Our s%@t stinks......just like everyone's.....but rather than flush it out of sight (perhaps Texas history books excepted), we lay it out for everyone to dissect.

Great post. If the dirty laundry isn't put out into the sunlight then a country is very likely to slowly descend into the abyss as Russia is currently doing. Putin won't be putting any of his dirty laundry out into the sunlight.

[merchant seaman]

If you believe this report to be correct then who do you believe about CIA torture sites in Thailand?

[Khun Paul]

After listening to the news this AM, it was interesting to note had this report NOT been released there was a certain senator who was quite happy to legally speak it out aloud on the floor of the house as it were were he would be protected by the LAW, so it was going to be released one way or the other. Whether that reort is true I have no idea, but it does seem to be reasonably factual as is the comments by Dick Cheney as calling the report ' Full of crap ', you make your mark and get monkeys..

[RLTrader]

This is long so you might want to skip down to the letter, "SUGGESTIONS FOR JAPANESE INTERPRETERS BASED ON WORK IN THE FIELD by Sherwood F. Moran, Major, USMC"

The Torture-Free TRUE Story of The Best USMC Interrogator in WWII [Update]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/1 ... To-Suck-On

[glalt]

How can anyone in their right mind compare butchering people to what is being called torture by the bleeding hearts. How many people died from this so called torture. I would define torture as pulling out teeth and fingernails, cutting off body parts and causing permanent damage to the body. Does it take one of your family members being butchered to change your mind?

[GT93]

You left out water-boarding. Wikipedia says:

"Waterboarding is a form of torture, more specifically a type of water torture, in which water is poured over a cloth covering the face and breathing passages of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning. Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage, and death.[1] Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years"

I hope you aren't posting from experience - you have been waterboarded and found it a bit of a lark.

[papafarang]

beheading is seen in the middle east as a humane death, they think hanging someone by a rope as barbaric, that's why saddam was hung and not beheaded. I cant remember any reports of western captives being tortured just for fun. you can torture a man that knows nothing for years...he still knows nothing. as for not being tortured, how about have tubes stuffed up your ass, some people might enjoy it, but I see it as torture. animals on both side.
heres a fine example of what we do to them.


and heres a guy thinking "what the ---- are we doing here"


and this is what we create by doing so

[merchant seaman]

And flying passanger airplanes into tall buildings is considered what?

[GT93]

Very sneaky and particularly abhorent as it was an attack on civilians. An attack on the Commander in Chief might be less abhorent? I don't think the history books would read it that way.

The story might be very different if the White House was demolished rather the the World Trade Center. That would be even so given Bush was as we know visiting kids that morning.

[downunder]

Its all come back to bite America in the ASS. This, do as I say not as I do attitude is laughable if it wasn't so serious, not only Americans but other Nationalities that have similar appearance are also at risk thanks to the good old U.S of A. Do not expect any charges to be made against authorizing Officials who sanctioned this barbaric method, that would be asking to much. No charges were ever laid against the Coalition of the Willing with their lies on Weapons of Mass Destruction which completely devastated Iraq and left the whole mess that the Middle East is in today

[FrazeeDK]

I reckon there are degrees of torture... Where's the break between "enhanced interrogation" and torture? Hell, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to be subjected to freezing, sleep deprivation, loud noise, getting slapped around, water boarding, "rectal feeding", "rectal rehydration" and some of the other methods used by the CIA.. That said, I might rather go through all that crap than have a Hellfire Missile launched from a drone at 10,000 feet reduce me to the fine red mist of my component atoms...

[glalt]

beheading is seen in the middle east as a humane death, they think hanging someone by a rope as barbaric, that's why saddam was hung and not beheaded. I cant remember any reports of western captives being tortured just for fun. you can torture a man that knows nothing for years...he still knows nothing. as for not being tortured, how about have tubes stuffed up your ass, some people might enjoy it, but I see it as torture. animals on both side.
heres a fine example of what we do to them.


and heres a guy thinking "what the **** are we doing here"


and this is what we create by doing so

And what do they call stoning someone to death? Is that considered humane? Sawing an innocent persons head off with a dull knife would hardly be considered humane in my mind. Cutting someone's hand off for stealing also seems a bit extreme.

[merchant seaman]

And just what recommendations were made by the report? Was anyone held accontable for torture? Just what purpose does this report serve? Useless report and a waste of time.

[Jing Jing]

And where was the Chairperson of the Senate Intel Comm? Oh I guess she did not see, read, or listen to any of those who came before the Comm. This is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. How about the incoming Chairman open an investigation of the former chair and their lack of moral courage.

[papafarang]

beheading is seen in the middle east as a humane death, they think hanging someone by a rope as barbaric, that's why saddam was hung and not beheaded. I cant remember any reports of western captives being tortured just for fun. you can torture a man that knows nothing for years...he still knows nothing. as for not being tortured, how about have tubes stuffed up your ass, some people might enjoy it, but I see it as torture. animals on both side.
heres a fine example of what we do to them.


and heres a guy thinking "what the **** are we doing here"


and this is what we create by doing so

And what do they call stoning someone to death? Is that considered humane? Sawing an innocent persons head off with a dull knife would hardly be considered humane in my mind. Cutting someone's hand off for stealing also seems a bit extreme.

it's their culture, we might not like it, but its theirs. objections would be racist and bias. some vegetarians think were animals just for eating meat. just because some object to meat don't make us animals. their culture has its laws, and we have our laws, we don't want our laws changed but we want to change theirs, why? if we want to change it how would we do it? invade and slaughter them ? won't make them change. heres one, I think pumping a criminal with drugs to executed people is barbaric, bullet in the head is much faster , different stroke for different folks, what do we do ban islam? its just a few extremists that buggerd the world up, our response, create more extremists. quite honestly once we started torturing them we came down to their level, and then we try to justify what we do, same as them. the whole thing shows us how bad humans can be to other humans

[parrot]

I've never been a fan of GB junior, but I'm beginning to admire the man now that he's retired. With all the hullabaloo over the senate report on the CIA, who shows up on the Sunday talk shows? Dick Cheney......without the slightest hint that he's changed his views.....invading Iraq was the right thing to do......we didn't torture........but if you insist that we did, well then, it was called for.......no regrets, he'd do the same thing all over again.
While Cheney was doing his thing on TV, the former president was giving advice on how to paint the women in one's life.

[merchant seaman]

Amazing how they turn the terrorists and the enemy into the victims.