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Post by laphanphon » January 26, 2007, 7:45 am

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01 ... 025156.php
MINISTER ADMITS:
Some airlines afraid to use new airport

Theera says runway can be fixed without closing facility, while repairs force planes to circle overhead or land at U-Tapao


Incoming flights were delayed at Suvarnabhumi Airport yesterday as its west runway was closed for repairs for two hours, while the transport minister admitted some airlines were afraid to use the new airport due to safety concerns.


While inspecting cracks on taxiways Transport Minister Theera Haocharoen said: "This has started to affect the country's image and some airlines are afraid to use Suvarnabhumi due to safety fears."


Some flights had to circle the airport yesterday afternoon or land at U-Tapao military airfield in Chon Buri for refuelling and temporary parking.


A source from Thai Airways International said two of the airline's international flights were delayed by more than one hour.


"Flight TG 414 from Singapore should have landed at 5.05pm but it landed at 6.35pm. Meanwhile, the Tokyo-Manila-Bangkok Flight TG 621 landed at 6.45pm, two hours after its original landing schedule at 4.45pm," he said.


A passenger on a domestic Thai Airways flight from Hat Yai, which landed at U-Tapao, said he was on the plane for an hour before the flight could return to Suvarnabhumi.


"Before getting to Suvarnabhumi, I was informed that my plane could not land due to the traffic jam and the captain made a detour to U-Tapao. My plane was the first to get there and during the hour I saw four or five more planes land, one of them belonging to Thai AirAsia," he said.


Flight TG 240, another flight from Hat Yai, delayed its takeoff for 40 minutes and passengers were told they had to wait till Suvarnabhumi Airport was less congested. Its takeoff was delayed from 4.50pm until 5.30pm.


Somchai Sawasdeepon, Airports of Thailand (AoT) senior executive vice president and Suvarnabhumi director, said the west runway was closed for repairs from 2pm to 4pm. This coincided with Theera's inspection of cracks on the taxiways.


"The repairs had been scheduled. We informed all flights to stop over at U-Tapao where they could refill their tanks," Somchai said.


During his two-hour inspection accompanied by AoT chairman General Saprang Kalayanamitr, Theera admitted that 11 aero-bridges were sealed off due to subsidence on the taxiways.


In the first official admission of damage at the airport, Theera identified more than 100 points at 25 areas on taxiways and one point on the west runway where damage had occurred. Seven points on the taxiways had been repaired but subsidence had reoccurred after two weeks.


"Cracks have also been found at many other areas. This will affect travellers on planes that can not reach 11 aero-bridges, while the repairs have caused traffic jams," Theera said.


While admitting the airport needs swift repairs, Theera insisted that Suvarnabhumi would not be shut and Don Muang reopened.

Cracks in the main runway could be repaired without shutting it down because they had occurred at the head of the runway, allowing jets enough space to land if work was underway, he said.


Deputy Prime Minister Kosit Panpiemras also said yesterday he opposed shifting flights to Don Muang, saying this would inconvenience travellers.

Theera said engineers and technicians had been asked to find "temporary" ways to fix the cracks within the next few weeks. In the next two weeks, an investigation committee chaired by Tortrakul Yomnag will start examining the ground underneath the airport, which is located in an area known as Cobra Swamp.


The airport has been plagued by operational glitches and structural defects that have been blamed on the rushed manner in which it was built and opened, as well as the opaque way in which building contracts were awarded.


Besides cracks, there have been reports of leaks in the roof, faulty air-conditioning, poor drainage in the parking lots and complaints of a severe shortage of rest rooms.


Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um yesterday warned that 12 light-control boxes are inappropriately located: although they were built to handle temperatures of up to 40 degrees they were placed outside where the temperature can rise to 45 degrees. They could be damaged by the heat or catch fire, he said.


"These problems indicate massive corruption," Saprang said. "Someone needs to take responsibility."


Despite reports AoT president Chotisak Asapaviriya's job was on the line due to the airport's problems, his dismissal was not on the agenda of the agency's meeting yesterday.


Watcharapong Thongrung


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So they have cracks at the head of the runway, which i'm guessing rarely has a plane land on it, so it cracked simply because it was a really bad job.

Working on an active runway, that's just mind boggling stupid. And of course, all things thai, try to find a tempory fix. :oops:



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Post by papaguido » January 26, 2007, 8:40 am

Really great news, just what I wanted to hear as my flight arrives on Satuday :cry: On the other hand maybe they can devert my flight to Udon Int :D

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Post by Paul » January 26, 2007, 9:49 am

And who picks up the fees for landing at U-Tapao and of course taking on board the extra (unaccounted) for fuel.???

Plenty of talk on who is to blame here but we need to see action taken immediately and if that involves temporary closure whilst repairs are undertaken - then so be it. It should be done properly with independent supervision/quality control.
These are jumbo jets full of passengers we are talking abut here - safety is priority - whatever it takes.

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Post by muscle » January 26, 2007, 11:54 am

"While admitting the airport needs swift repairs, Theera insisted that Suvarnabhumi would not be shut and Don Muang reopened."
Lets see about that one.

In the meantime, last year JAL announced it was starting daily flights from VTT to NAR. If going to the US, it may be wiser to fly out of Vientiane to Tokya/Narita. Anyone know if that flight is still running? Or even to HCMC, then on to Japan.

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Post by laphanphon » January 26, 2007, 2:23 pm

hmmm, that's interesting. beats the usually overnite in bkk to go to states on US carrier, which sucks anyway. other option, actually making a conx on non US carrier, but then having to allow few hours for transfer don muang/suvarnabhumi airport when the domestics change over. vientiane would be nice.

hmmm, a few hours transfer, let's see, less than an hour to get bags, 2 hr taxi/transfer time, and don't forget 3 hr international check in time. 1+2+3, yikes, then the hour before check in here, and the hour flight, wow, up to 8 hrs to get on plane.

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Post by jetdoc » January 26, 2007, 3:41 pm

"Working on an active runway, that's just mind boggling stupid. And of course, all things thai, try to find a tempory fix."
LA, guess we'll have to include Americans as well, I have witnessed and also personally flown into airports were work was being accomplished at the approach end of an active runway. They usually X off a portion to provide a safety margin.

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Post by muscle » January 26, 2007, 3:51 pm

The Air Force Rapid Runway Repair teams get in and out quick. Of course, they don't get to bill by the hour like the civilian contractors do ;) I have been in the Flight Surgeon's seat in a C-130 landing and seen repair crews dead ahead. Not comforting in a slow prop plane like the C-130. Damn, in a 747?
JAL is not flyng out of VTT, at least according to their website. I am checking Lao Air to HCMC, then JAL or Northwest to Tokyo and Honolulu.

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Post by jetdoc » January 26, 2007, 4:05 pm

Northwest also flies KIX-HNL.

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Post by jetdoc » January 26, 2007, 4:17 pm

Sunday and Thursday, China has a TPE-HNL flt.

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Post by ady » January 26, 2007, 10:06 pm

at last we have the answer to what has happened
here, and it's all to be told by the use of 'old thai proverbs'!

quote from the nation:
Old Thai proverbs shed light on airport fiasco

Why can't they do one thing right at Suvarnabhumi Airport? In a way, the Suvarnabhumi Airport mirrors Thai society.


We have an excellent location to be the transport hub of Southeast Asia. We are a great nation with a rich history (have you watched "The Legend of individual Naresuan"?). We have the natural resources. We have the facilities. But we can't do things right.


Why?


You probably have to go back to the Thai proverbs or old Thai sayings to understand the particular traits that have given rise to the mother of all sloppy and corrupt projects - the new airport.


It took more than 40 years, an incredibly long time, to plan, design and build this airport, during which time politicians came and went. This is in line with the saying chao cham yen cham ('I just wash one dish in the morning and another dish in the evening'), which describes motionless people who are very economical with their energy and who rarely set their sights on getting anything done. Chao cham yen cham is most often used to describe civil servants who are lazy and lack the incentive to work. Well, that's why it took us 40 years to build the airport. Cracks have begun to appear in a taxiway and runway only four months after its opening. This has raised doubts about the standard of safety at the airport.


It all goes back to the time when politicians, civil servants and contractors colluded to fill in the land at Suvarnabhumi in a suk ao phao kin ('I'll eat it regardless of whether it's cooked or burnt') way. Suvarnabhumi was originally swampland with a high incidence of floods. Efforts to fill in the land began during the government of General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and continued through to the government of Chuan Leekpai.


Engineers and technicians will have to investigate whether the land at Suvarnabhumi was filled adequately enough to support the taxiway and runway. The authorities, at one time, used to allow some water into the land to alleviate flooding in nearby areas, possibly undermining the foundation of the taxiway and runway. So, now we have the cracks in a taxiway and runway as a result of this substandard practice.


We happened to have dishonest politicians, civil servants and contractors responsible for this, who went about their jobs in a manner that was suk ao phao kin. Suk ao phao kin means to do things sloppily or recklessly. This suk ao phao kin behaviour is another prominent Thai trait.


The roof of the terminal also leaks. You might substitute suk ao phao kin when referring to this approach to construction and call it loop na pa jamook ('I just need to stroke my face and patch up the nose then I can get away with it').


Don't forget to open up your umbrella once you are inside the terminal - it might rain!


During the six years of Thaksin Shinawatra's reign, construction of the airport terminal and other facilities got off the ground and it was eventually completed. This gave politicians and civil servants a good chance to revise the design and call in new contracts to facilitate bribes.


The contractors had to pay bia bai rai thang ('I have to pay money under the table all the way'). With the cost of the bia bai rai thang, the contractors had to compromise on the quality of the jobs they were hired to do.


While the Thaksin government was in power, politicians adopted a nam khuen hai reep tak ('I must fetch the water while the tide is high') approach. It was time for the opportunists to make money without fear of the consequences. They wanted to open Suvarnabhumi as quickly as possible because only then they could walk away with lucrative deals from the contractors. Now that Thaksin has gone, all the dirty tricks that occurred while the airport was built have become evident. The saying nam lot tor phut ('when the tide goes down, all the stumps show up') accurately captures this. The stench of corruption hovers over the procurement of the CTX luggage scanners and the underground power-line system. There are not enough toilets for passengers, as toilet bowls had to make way for shops.


Shortly after the coup, the military leaders asked the airport authorities if they were ready to open Suvarnabhumi or not. If things were not ready, they could delay the opening further. The authorities assured everybody that the airport was 100 per cent ready to open.


This haste to open Suvarnabhumi was an act of phak chi roi na ('topping my face with coriander just to get a way with it'). In July, two months before he was ousted, Thaksin had proudly launched a soft opening of the airport by flying from Don Muang to Suvarnabhumi. He wanted the new airport to become a hallmark of his government's success.


As a result, we have an airport that is beautiful from the outside, but inside it is hollow. This is equivalent to khang nok sook sai khangnai pen kluang ('I look beautiful from the outside, but don't ever kiss me!') It's hard to believe how badly things have turned out at Suvarnabhumi. Only the old proverbs can say it all.


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Post by beer monkey » January 26, 2007, 10:19 pm

phak chi roi na ('topping my face with coriander just to get a way with it').
LOL....just trying to picture it. :lol:

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Post by ady » January 27, 2007, 12:19 am

one bulging white envelope under the table and
i'm sure khun somchai would give you a demonstration! :lol:

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Post by laphanphon » January 27, 2007, 1:12 pm

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01 ... 025255.php
SUVARNABHUMI
Airport denied seal of approval

Will continue to operate despite many 'structural, management' faults

Confidence over the safety of Suvarna-bhumi Airport has suffered another major blow, with aviation authorities yesterday refusing to extend its interim Aerodrome Certificate. The certificate, which shows an airport meets international safety requirements, expired on Thursday.

Civil Aviation Department officials said they had received phone calls from international pilots expressing concern after learning about the department's decision to leave Suvarnabhumi in a certification "no man's land".

Department director-general Chaisak Angsuwan said the decision stemmed from multiple structural and management problems at the airport.

Pavement cracks on runways, taxiways and tarmacs are scattered over about 100,000 square metres of the airfield, forcing partial closure for repair work over the past few weeks. The next closure for repair of the eastern runway was planned for four hours early today.

"We also found management problems," Chaisak said. "For example, the aerodrome operation manual that provides instruction for airport maintenance and accidents still contains incorrect information, which could cause confusion for operators, especially in case of emergencies."

However, Chaisak said the lack of an Aerodrome Certificate would not lead to the airport's closure because Suvarnabhumi is operated under a local licence, just like Don Muang and other airports in Thailand.

The Aerodrome Certificate is a recent attempt by the UN International Civil Aviation Organisation to standardise airport operations around the world, but Thailand has not yet issued a law to respond to this new requirement.

While no airport in Thailand has been certified, eight airports in Malaysia have obtained the certificates, as well as two in Singapore, two in the Philippines and one in Hong Kong. Eight in South Korea, one in North Korea and 93 in Japan have also been certified.

Chaisak said the interim certificate issued by his agency to Suvarnabhumi six months ago in response to the rush to open the airport for domestic flights in July, and the official opening in September, had no legal foundation.

"We are updating our legal system for aviation, hopefully this year," he said. "Until then, Airports of Thailand [operator of Suvarnabhumi] has time to improve the airport and we can start the certification process anew."

However, Suvarnabhumi being left in a state of certification "no man's land" has concerned some pilots. A professional Thai pilot told The Nation the lack of certification would affect confidence in the international pilot community about the safety of Thailand's brand-new airport.

"If I were a foreign pilot, how could I trust that I would be given the right instruction when I had to fly in and out of an airport without international recognition?" he said. "And I would be particularly concerned if I had to deal with disruptive weather or other emergencies. I don't know who has to bear responsibility in the event a wrong decision is made."

That's scary, N. Korea can get on certified, but none in thailand.

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laphanphon wrote:http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01 ... 025255.php
SUVARNABHUMI
Airport denied seal of approval

Will continue to operate despite many 'structural, management' faults

Confidence over the safety of Suvarna-bhumi Airport has suffered another major blow, with aviation authorities yesterday refusing to extend its interim Aerodrome Certificate. The certificate, which shows an airport meets international safety requirements, expired on Thursday.

Civil Aviation Department officials said they had received phone calls from international pilots expressing concern after learning about the department's decision to leave Suvarnabhumi in a certification "no man's land".

Department director-general Chaisak Angsuwan said the decision stemmed from multiple structural and management problems at the airport.

Pavement cracks on runways, taxiways and tarmacs are scattered over about 100,000 square metres of the airfield, forcing partial closure for repair work over the past few weeks. The next closure for repair of the eastern runway was planned for four hours early today.

"We also found management problems," Chaisak said. "For example, the aerodrome operation manual that provides instruction for airport maintenance and accidents still contains incorrect information, which could cause confusion for operators, especially in case of emergencies."

However, Chaisak said the lack of an Aerodrome Certificate would not lead to the airport's closure because Suvarnabhumi is operated under a local licence, just like Don Muang and other airports in Thailand.

The Aerodrome Certificate is a recent attempt by the UN International Civil Aviation Organisation to standardise airport operations around the world, but Thailand has not yet issued a law to respond to this new requirement.

While no airport in Thailand has been certified, eight airports in Malaysia have obtained the certificates, as well as two in Singapore, two in the Philippines and one in Hong Kong. Eight in South Korea, one in North Korea and 93 in Japan have also been certified.

Chaisak said the interim certificate issued by his agency to Suvarnabhumi six months ago in response to the rush to open the airport for domestic flights in July, and the official opening in September, had no legal foundation.

"We are updating our legal system for aviation, hopefully this year," he said. "Until then, Airports of Thailand [operator of Suvarnabhumi] has time to improve the airport and we can start the certification process anew."

However, Suvarnabhumi being left in a state of certification "no man's land" has concerned some pilots. A professional Thai pilot told The Nation the lack of certification would affect confidence in the international pilot community about the safety of Thailand's brand-new airport.

"If I were a foreign pilot, how could I trust that I would be given the right instruction when I had to fly in and out of an airport without international recognition?" he said. "And I would be particularly concerned if I had to deal with disruptive weather or other emergencies. I don't know who has to bear responsibility in the event a wrong decision is made."

That's scary, N. Korea can get on certified, but none in thailand.
does not sound good.
i just really hope they do not put the flight to udon back to don muang airport.
what a stuff around that would be due to my connecting flight not having much time for problems.

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Post by laphanphon » January 27, 2007, 10:42 pm

this from a CNN article, no new info about losing operating cert. but did have pic below. that's one hell of a crack, looks like a pot hole on my road before it was fixed. unless access to this area is completely blocked from someplace else, the lack of any safety barrier is bit strange, whether blocked on not, as any service vehicle could have a mishap. if lack of simple precautions here, where else are they being as irresponsible.
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Post by papaguido » January 28, 2007, 4:43 am

Happy to report that my flight landed safely and a smooth landing. Also, I'm currently waiting by the Thai Air domestic terminal receiving free wifi. At least at my location I'm picking it up. It's listed as AOTwifi.

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Post by JimboPSM » January 28, 2007, 7:05 am

From Bangkok Post:
Water pipe in Suvarnabhumi toilet comes loose

Baggage damaged by leak on lower floor

A pipe in the toilet of a passenger terminal in trouble-plagued Suvarnabhumi airport came loose, causing water to leak and seep down to the lower floor and damage baggage, the airport director said yesterday. The problem adds yet another concern to the growing question of the reliability of the three-month-old airport. It has been plagued by a host of problems, the most serious of which include runway and taxiway cracks.

Suvarnabhumi director Somchai Sawasdeepol said a connecting joint in a pipe in one of the toilets on the third floor of the terminal came loose. Water then leaked, some seeping down to the baggage storage room on the second floor below.

The water damaged some bags and their owners would be compensated, the director said. Airport workers turned off the water valve and mopped up the area.
Also yesterday, a worker in the construction project building a train link to the airport was crushed to death by falling metal scaffolding.

The body of Rungchai Moongpulklang, 18, was pulled from the wreckage. Police suspected the accident, which occurred in Lat Krabang, was caused by scaffolding bearing too much weight.
Meanwhile, Democrat party deputy spokesman Apichart Sakdiset demanded the government express regret over the resignation of the Bangkok Post's former news editor Chadin Tephaval, and the dismissal of senior reporter Sermsuk Kasitipradit due to a Suvarnabhumi runway cracks report in 2005.

Mr Apichart said the Bangkok Post was the first newspaper to expose the cracks but was rebuked harshly by then prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra for being unpatriotic. The Post front page story on Aug 8, 2005 quoted a source as saying a team of US experts hired by Mr Thaksin to inspect Suvarnabhumi airport had found cracks on the runway. The paper retracted the story and apologised the following day.

On March 13 last year, the Criminal Court opened the first hearing on the case in which Bancha Pattanaporn, acting president of Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT), and New Bangkok International Airport company (NBIA), sued Post Publishing Plc as publisher of the Bangkok Post and its editor Kowit Sanandang on charges of defamation over the paper's runway crack coverage.

Mr Apichart said the discovery now of cracks in the runway and taxiways was a national embarrassment.

''Who will be responsible for what happened to the Bangkok Post and the fate of the two senior staff?'' Mr Apichart said.

He added the Thai Journalists Association and the Press Council of Thailand must take the issue as a case study of political pressure on the media while the Bangkok Post should also reconsider the punishment ordered against Mr Chadin and Mr Sermsuk for the sake of the working morale of its news staff.

Mr Sermsuk said in an interview on iTV that he had no hidden agenda in reporting the runway cracks story.

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Post by polehawk » January 28, 2007, 11:02 am

papaguido wrote:Happy to report that my flight landed safely and a smooth landing. Also, I'm currently waiting by the Thai Air domestic terminal receiving free wifi. At least at my location I'm picking it up. It's listed as AOTwifi.
Good to hear that your landing was a safe one, papaguido. Gonna be staying a while longer on this trip? :lol:

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Post by muscle » January 28, 2007, 11:33 am

Here is the CNN story to go along with the above picture.
Lao Air to Hanoi, then JAL to Narita and on to Honolulu or the US. There is a way around BKK. JAL isn't making the flight to VTT but Lao Air does to Hanoi.



BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Aviation authorities have refused to extend an international safety certificate for Bangkok's new international airport, a senior official said Saturday, dealing another blow to the problem-plagued facility.

With runway and tarmac repairs at Suvarnabhumi airport still under way, the Department of Civil Aviation decided Friday not to renew its interim safety certificate, which expired a day earlier. The airport can, however, continue to operate without the license.

Somchai Sawasdeepon, the airport's general manager, said the airport also has yet to set up a safety committee as required by the International Civil Aviation Organization because authorities are "busy resolving other problems."

The issue will be discussed at the next board meeting, Somchai said, adding that he was confident the certificate will be renewed after the safety committee has been established.

Local newspapers have reported that some foreign pilots raised concerns about safety issues at the Suvarnabhumi, but Somchai said such fears were not voiced at a meeting of airline representatives on Friday.

The International Civil Aviation Organization has made it a requirement for international airports to hold an Aerodrome Certificate -- aimed at standardizing global airport operations. Suvarnabhumi can nonetheless continue to operate without the certificate because it has yet to incorporate that requirement into law.

The airport was enmeshed in one corruption scandal after another during its construction, and since its opening last September problems have surfaced ranging from an inadequate number of toilets to cracks on taxiways leading to the runway. Probes are being carried out into a number of corrupt deals related to the facility.

On Thursday, several incoming flights were diverted to another airport about 200 kilometers (125 miles) away after debris was found on a runway.

The discovery of taxiway cracks, which began appearing about two weeks after the airport opened, was made public last week by lawmakers inspecting the airport.

Cracks at 25 separate locations made it impossible to use 11 out of 51 air bridges for boarding aircraft, causing inconvenience to passengers who had to take buses to and from their planes, Transport Minister Thira Hao-Charoen said Thursday after an inspection visit.

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Post by beer monkey » January 28, 2007, 10:12 pm

Poll: Corruption cursed the airport
Sunday, 28 January 2007
A Suan Dusit Poll has found that 48 per cent of Thais polled in the past three days said "rampant corruption" was responsible for the many problems at Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport.

24.5 per cent said that the damages and ongoing repairs at Suvarnabhumi would tarnish the country's reputation in the eyes of foreigners, and 16.5 per cent said they felt unsafe using the airport.

50.5 per cent of the respondents said investigation into corruption must be speeded up and that those responsible punished.
(bangkok online)
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