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Post by thalenoi » February 15, 2007, 10:58 am

Doc wrote:I would suspect that this is a bahaviorial problem that began before he arrived in Thailand. The difference is that here in Thailand it is easier for an individual to engage in this type of behavior than it is in, for example Germany. The reason being is that the poverty of Thailand makes young girls or boys easier to prey upon when offered money or other trinkets.

He makes the third falang busted for this type of behavior here in Udon in the last few weeks.
Sorry doc, but your stement is not correct:
Most of the peadophiles act in the family cirlce or near friends circle or religious circle all over the planet. Therefore they are difficult to catch.



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Post by Doc » February 15, 2007, 12:15 pm

thalenoi wrote:
Doc wrote:I would suspect that this is a bahaviorial problem that began before he arrived in Thailand. The difference is that here in Thailand it is easier for an individual to engage in this type of behavior than it is in, for example Germany. The reason being is that the poverty of Thailand makes young girls or boys easier to prey upon when offered money or other trinkets.

He makes the third falang busted for this type of behavior here in Udon in the last few weeks.
Sorry doc, but your stement is not correct:
Most of the peadophiles act in the family cirlce or near friends circle or religious circle all over the planet. Therefore they are difficult to catch.
Read again thalenoi: I would suspect that this is a bahaviorial problem that began before he arrived in Thailand.

Perhaps the balance of the paragraph could have been clearer.
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Post by jetdoc » February 15, 2007, 1:26 pm

jetdoc wrote:
"This is true, and the predators should prosecuted to the fullest, and in those cases where the parents have betrayed the child, they should receive equal punishment. IMHO

Doc wrote:
"Interesting statement - but one that is at odds with Thai culture."

I don't think Thai culture condones the behavior and it is a bit disingenuous to suggest that it dose.

Doc wrote:
"I know a Thai family that just built a new house out in a village. They got their money by pimping their 14 year old daughter to some falang in Bangkok and then sued him."

My thinking is, most families would resort to blackmail and save the attorney's fees. I don't think these events rise to the level of culture norms.

Doc wrote:
"Here in Thailand, any "harm" to another person can be easily rectified by make a cash payment to the family - be it for a sex matter, murder or even a death in an auto accident.

Unfortunately - unless you are the individual that has done wrong and can afford the price to rectify the situation - things are not going to change. As we have said time and time again - TIT - This Is Thailand. "

This is not peculiar to Thailand it is prevalent throughout the world. I refer to it as the golden rule "them thats got the gold make the rules."

Doc wrote:
"I suppose that what needs to be debated at this point is whether the Thai Culture is all that off base. Sure, it is contradictory to Western Standards - but then again - putting people in prison does nothing for the victims, other than giving them some intangible satisfaction that the perpetrator is suffering. Prison certainly isn't a deterrent for a large number of predators."

I personally don't see "Thai Culture" as contradictory to "Western Standards" my experience is that Thais love and cherish their children on, or above par with the West. Because of the economics involved, people at lower income levels can participate in unsavory activities, but this does not necessarily reflect negatively on the basic "Culture and values."

Doc wrote:
"It should be noted - for the sake of discussion as well - that the young girls here can also be predators. It certainly is not uncommon for high school girls to be soliciting both Thais and falangs for sex in exchange for money or more."

For sure I have noticed (at the Complex) that this is going on, but in all fairness it seems there far more uniformed young ladies just "hanging out" and having fun, than those that engage in the activity you describe.

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Ultimately, it certainly is not a black and white issue or situation.

AGREE 100%.

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Post by Doc » February 15, 2007, 1:55 pm

jetdoc wrote:I don't think Thai culture condones the behavior and it is a bit disingenuous to suggest that it dose.
For centuries, Thai culture has "condoned" using daughters to supplement family income. Even today, it is not uncommon at all for families to seek a "sponsor" for their daughter with the understanding that when she is of age - 15 in many cases - she will live with the sponsor. Technically, this is illegal, but everyone turns a blind eye to it.
jetdoc wrote:Doc wrote:
"I know a Thai family that just built a new house out in a village. They got their money by pimping their 14 year old daughter to some falang in Bangkok and then sued him."

My thinking is, most families would resort to blackmail and save the attorney's fees. I don't think these events rise to the level of culture norms.
Blackmail does not enter into the equation in the situation quoted. This was a deliberate act to obtain money. We must bear in mind that the "culture norms" of poor villages may not be the same as those in a larger urban area. The point is that it happens more frequently than many would like to think or acknowledge.
jetdoc wrote:I personally don't see "Thai Culture" as contradictory to "Western Standards" my experience is that Thais love and cherish their children on, or above par with the West. Because of the economics involved, people at lower income levels can participate in unsavory activities, but this does not necessarily reflect negatively on the basic "Culture and values."
I am not implying that anything is "negative." However, the differences between the cultures must be noted. One important aspect of Thai Culture is that even though people may not approve of certain behaviors or actions, allowances can be made.
jetdoc wrote:For sure I have noticed (at the Complex) that this is going on, but in all fairness it seems there far more uniformed young ladies just "hanging out" and having fun, than those that engage in the activity you describe.
Yes, there are no doubt more kids just hanging out and having fun than those who are actively soliciting. But the point is, it goes on, which can complicate matters - especially at the prosecution level. I know of two falangs right now who are waiting trial for becoming involved in something like this - or so the allegations state.

Bear in mind through all of this that the laws governing sexual conduct are very confusing. Laws are passed in light of cultural considerations. Here in Thailand, a parent can give their consent for their 15 year old daughter to become sexually involved with a man over the age of 18. However, by the same token, the same permission does not apply to her working as a prostitute. Typically, when that permission is given, the family is receiving financial consideration. And yes, it does happen on a regular basis - right here in Udonthani.
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Post by rickfarang » February 15, 2007, 2:39 pm

No, he won't get 10 years. I just read on the Bangkok Post site that he committed suicide. He stuffed a sock down his throat, then tried to slash both wrists on the edge of his toilet before he died of suffocation. Very strange. I wonder how he did that. Also kind of sad, because it appears that the rule of law was bypassed.

The story from the Post:
http://www.bangkokpost.net/breaking_new ... ?id=116818

Paedophile suspect dead in suicide

(dpa) - A German national charged with raping a minor in Thailand was found dead in his prison cell in what was believed to be a suicide, police said Thursday.

The body of Helmut Nehls, 64, was found Wednesday at a prison in the northeastern city of Udon Thani with his wrists slashed and a sock stuffed down his throat, police Captain Jirapong Singhasuriya said.

He was believed to have died from suffocation, rather than loss of blood because the slashes to his wrists, inflicted with the jagged edge of a toilet bowl, were not deep, police said.

"We are sure this was a suicide because no one could get in to his cell, and the key to his cell was with the supervisor, not the lower officers," Jirapong said.

"Nehls had requested a solitary cell because he was suffering stress and was being bothered by the other prisoners," Jirapong added in a telephone interview with Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.

Thai police arrested Nehls, who is from Zeppernick in the eastern German state of Sachsen-Anhalt, on Feby 10 on charges of raping and abducting a minor. He was arrested in a rented house in Udon Thani, 450 kilometres north-east of Bangkok, with a 12-year-old girl.

Police found pornographic videos and a digital movie camera containing a clip of the young girl doing a strip tease.

If he had been found guilty of raping a minor, Nehls faced 10 to 20 years in prison.

Nehls, a former computer technician, had been visiting Thailand on a regular basis for the past 15 years and was fluent in the language, police said.

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Post by Doc » February 15, 2007, 3:08 pm

Yes. I would say that pretty well wraps up that case.
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Post by Mainer » February 15, 2007, 4:03 pm

What's say we all get together and write this guy's obituary for his local German newspaper??

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Post by Kudjap or Bust » February 17, 2007, 10:05 am

The word in Kudjap is the girls family paid for his death. If that means they paid a prison officer / supervisor I don't know, but thats the word in the village.

And, BTW, this sicko lived about 3 or 4 minutes from our house....

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Post by Doc » February 17, 2007, 11:07 am

The bottom line is that his timely demise is not going to be investigated.
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Post by jetdoc » February 17, 2007, 12:44 pm

Another favorite of mine "What goes around, comes around". Doc, Don't want to go through your response point by point. Don't know if you have children or not, or if you are aware of the special trust that children have in their parents. When anyone sells out their kids (betray them) I think it puts one on the bottom rung of the human ladder. Your points are of course valid but I still contend that Thai Culture does not condone this behavior.

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Post by dill » February 17, 2007, 2:31 pm

i hope the ------ gets plucket up his arse when he gets in the monkey house.
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Post by BKKSTAN » February 17, 2007, 4:23 pm

I would like to see the parents in the monkey house!They didn't sell the daughters because of poverty,as it doesn't really exist in Thailand!They did it for pure selfish greed and woit no concern for the welfare of their children :cry:

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Post by Doc » February 17, 2007, 6:19 pm

BKKSTAN wrote:I would like to see the parents in the monkey house!They didn't sell the daughters because of poverty,as it doesn't really exist in Thailand!They did it for pure selfish greed and woit no concern for the welfare of their children :cry:
No allegations that the parents sold the girl Stan. You might be confusing that with some other postings made in this topic. Those postings did refer to the fact that some parents do sell their children - typically to Thais, but also to falangs.

And yes Stan, poverty does exist in Thailand. It is a very real thing that is lived by people day in and day out. I can take you out to about 100 different families here in the Udon area that are living in total and abject poverty. These 100 families are just a sampling as there are many more.
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Post by beer monkey » February 17, 2007, 6:20 pm

traveller wrote:i hope the ***** gets plucket up his arse when he gets in the monkey house.
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That would be called necrophillia as he is now brown bread (dead).


Word in the village Mmmm , .... seem's strange regarding the sock in the throat part.

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Post by Doc » February 17, 2007, 7:18 pm

No authorities are questioning the theory, so therefore, it would not be appropriate for us to question the theory. [-X :-({|=
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Post by Bump » February 17, 2007, 7:42 pm

It's intersting I had to follow this in anothre forum sicen I couldnt get on.

Ther4e weer some differences, one the the guy supposedly had 900K in the bank.

Secondly he paid the person with whom the girl was let 40k for her to come to his house.

Thirdly this wasn't the first instance there had been more involving buying the child from her parents.

Fourth the guy had internet contacts inviting guys to come here and he would supply them with children.

I agree here is poverty here, but most people here in Issan don't sell thier children

We have had a widowed houskeeper who put two daughters through university, what she didn't do was send them to the bar.

I by no means am going to say what this guy alledgedly did was correct, but if the care taker did infact sell the kid, then he butt should have been right in there with him.

If the parents paid for him being offed where were they when the caretake released the child to him?

There are going to be a lot of things that we will never know about this.

I to have seen a farrang buy his way out of this kind of thing. That is not going to happen unless the family agree to it. Maybe that is a part of the problem.

I do know one thing this kid was not being protected.

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Post by Doc » February 18, 2007, 10:50 am

It is amazing how rumors and inuendo suddenly become fact in these types of situations.

Yes, the guy had a lot of money in the bank. How much, to be exact, I don't know. I do know for a fact that he wrote a check to one of his wives for 200,000 Baht whilst he was in jail, and just before he "committed" suicide.

As for the Internet claims - questionable. No concrete evidence on that. It is doubtful that those claims are true for a number of different reasons.

He did not buy the child from her parents. She had not been sold before.

Truth of the matter is that her father is not even in the picture. Her mother left her with someone else so that she could go and work in a larger city. She was sending the caretaker money - but stopped sending the money. That is how the German got involved in things. There is no evidence that he paid the caretaker 40,000 to take the girl.

As for the money that he had in the bank - it is being seized by the Thai government, and will be, at least in part, disbursed to the girl's family as compensation for what she had to go through.
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Post by Bump » February 18, 2007, 12:12 pm

Well Doc you know as much as to accurate facts as the rest of us. We may and probably will never know the entire truth.

I did miswrite one thing hould have been it wasn't the first instance of him buying a child. Not the girl being sold before Sorry.

The post says he paid the caretaker money.

If that is fact and who knows that it is, the caretaker should have but in jail with him.

There are other answers thats why there is a girls home here.

If these things are facts I have no idea, did he kill himself certainly looks as if he had the motivation. But I dont know and doubt any of us will really know. We can have all the theories in the world in the end there is only one truth. But I do have to admit this was new method to me.

TT ( Tis Thailand) we know what they want us to know.

I fully agree that rumor becomes fact easily here. As I recall but I'm an old ---- the things I put on here were from newspaper articles, but that doesn't mean they were accurate facts.

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Post by dougness » February 18, 2007, 12:41 pm

In my country these creeps don't do enough time.Its too bad he didn't do some time in a Thai prison.As far as im concerned he got his just deserts.

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Post by BKKSTAN » February 18, 2007, 1:22 pm

Doc wrote:No authorities are questioning the theory, so therefore, it would not be appropriate for us to question the theory. [-X :-({|=
:lol: :lol: Doc,you just went over the top [-X Who are you to tell us what and when to question anything :roll:

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