Moore violence by Thais vs Tourist..

[12345]

Your poor old mum would not be packing heat in a foreign land
Dad might be able to defend himself but 1 individual hit takes away that advantage
The correct part is they not stupid enough to be around drunken celebrations

Probably why her only international travelling was to Cuba as a youngster. Did pop over to the UK for family wedding when more 'mature'..... Pop could hold his own, much taller than me, same as brother 6'4", and solid, though that one guy had a hell of a left. Damn southpaws.....

Supposedly in court today, and could be facing a long stretch, which wouldn't be right either, considering murderers get less. German scum here getting only 8 yrs for horrendous stabbing. Because of obvious 'conspiracy and premeditated' as weren't even involved in initial confrontation, and that predator mentality of wanting to bash someone, anyone.

I'd say 1 year, actually in, would be about right. Extra year for the guy who kicked ma when down. They'll probably get sentence to 10...... 5 for pleading guilty, and serve 6 months. YouTube is a bitch.

Not allowed out till all hospital bills paid......

[bumper]

It's all OK they said they were sorry. Now was that sorry they did it or sorry they got caught

I stopped going to this celebration years ago. Just to many drunks around which leads to incidents like this.

[semperfiguy]

You have to read this article from the Bangkok Post if you haven't already. It really opened up my eyes and helped me to understand why the Thais do so many things that we in the West consider unthinkable. The reason that these thugs do things with no regard for themselves, others or the nation is because they are practicing "mak gnai" which is explained as follows in excerpts from the article written by a Thai in the Post:

"In my opinion, this "attitude" is part of a larger and more troubling Thai character trait embedded in our cultural DNA. The Thai word for this is mak ngai. It may be translated roughly to English as the predisposition to take an easy way out without regard to consequences or others (and often to oneself as well). Simply put, it's a "me first and me only" attitude.

Thais know this fact too well. There's a Thai saying, which in English goes like this: A true Thai is one who does things according to his whim. (Chorus: the Thai way.)"

This also helped me to understand why my neighbors allow their dogs to bark all day and night....why they throw their garbage in the street and won't sweep it up...why they play their music so loud with no regard for the peace of their neighbors...and the list goes on and on. One neighbor cleans the fallen branches from his landscape a few days a week, throws them over his fence onto the street and just expects that the street sweep fairy will clean it up. Of course, in the US we just call this pure selfishness, and my Thai wife has confirmed that being "mak gnai" is really just being a selfish SOB.

The full article can be read here:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... e-thai-way

[Charlieb]

Look up the word narcissist in the dictionary and you will see the picture of a Thai. Includes my wife.

[rjj04]

From selfishness to beating the hell out of OAPs... quite the stretch I'd say.

[bumper]

Maybe there will be some justice in this yet

Police not behind video attack leak - incident a "nightmare" for the country, says PM office

HUA HIN:-- Hua Hin police have moved quickly to deny online speculation they were behind the leaking of the clip showing the beating of the British tourists in the town over Songkran.

This followed news that an as yet unnamed person has been caught for the leak and a high ranking government official describing the incident as a "nightmare."

Police chief Chaiya Sriladecho said that the clip was only used by the local force in connection with arresting those responsible, reports Daily News.

"We looked after it well because it was evidential material," he said.

He is meeting futher with municipality chief Nopaporn Wuthikun to get to the bottom of how the clip, described before as the property of the Hua Hin administration, could have reached social media.

The clip showed Lewis Owen, 68, his wife Rosemary in her sixties and 43 year old son Lewis John Owen involved in a fight with a group of Thai men that left them unconscious in Soi Bintabaht in the early hours of April 13th.

Four men have been arrested in connection with the melee.

In a further development the Thai press reported that a senior government official, Mom Luang Panatda Ditsakul of the prime minister's office, had described the incident as a "nightmare" for the image of the country on a private Facebook page. Panatda called for the Thai people to rally together to overcome the effect of the incident and help return Hua Hin's good image.

Source: Daily News

[Khun Paul]

Semper, what you say is true and this is easily translated into Thainess, which the PM has been voicing as the way to move the country forward together embracing all that is Thai with little or no regard for anything else. That of course was fine at the turn of the last century when Thailand was Siam and an individual rules absolutely, now of course times have changed Thailand strives to be part of the world , and gets upset when the world ignores the Thai trait and demands it toes the line like every other country regarding ,many things and aspects that we have all come to expect.

Now with ASEAN rearing its head and opening up the labour market the simple fact that many Thais feel the countryis abandoning them as most employers will obviously pick the workers with the best skills and with the advent of English being the lingua franca of ASEAN, then Thais know they cannot compete , other skills might be similar but not the same and lacking in experience and training. often seen when you have some workers at the house the new boy is learning the same shortcuts as the old workers.

Times are a changing for Thailand and it will get worse in the major conurbations, Udon Thani I feel is small enough to ride the storm of change with the large preponderance of Thai Chinese here as well.

[bumper]

Well I looked the word up interesting.

The long and short of it, is you have to keep yourself from being a victim. Unless you can handle multiple assaults by young guys, stay away from where they are drinking. Perhaps venture forth with trusted friends. ( never seen a farrang have a fight with one Thai )

You can't count on the cops, you can't count on farrangs you don't know.

I keep asking myself was really like this 14 years ago when I decided to retire here. I realize reporting is much more active with the social media. But, the Thai rumor mill was well and active in those days.

So I'm leaning toward no it was not like this years ago. But, this is my home so I have to adapt. Probably the only time I might find myself in something where things can go wrong is the bike riding. Riding with big bikes your not riding with kids who get drunk and stupid. I have never even seen an argument in all the time I have ridden to bike events.

I once went on a ride where the little bikes were the majority of the riders a Honda safety ride no less. That one the beer hit and here were fights going on.

My first and last Songkran was in Pattaya Lots of fights and drunk folk running around, I'ts just not for me.

[DuiDui]

What the fu** is happening in Thailand now,moore killing by drunk youth.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/914 ... paign=news


VIDEO:

http://manager.co.th/Crime/ViewNews.asp ... 0000044219

[BigRick808]

12345 said: They wouldn't be that stupid, to go to a drunken celebration, in a foreign country, and mix inappropriately with the locals.

That's a big part of it. Too many Westerners getting too familiar with the locals--especially of the wrong type(obviously) and then themselves behaving in a manner that doesn't cultivate respect...getting drunk and acting foolish. Plus many of these kids have gotten use to all of the modern toys and see many foreigners as easy pickings for quick cash. Throw in alcohol and the fire rages.

[fatbob]

by BigRick808 » May 3, 2016, 7:30 am

12345 said: They wouldn't be that stupid, to go to a drunken celebration, in a foreign country, and mix inappropriately with the locals.

That's a big part of it. Too many Westerners getting too familiar with the locals--especially of the wrong type(obviously) and then themselves behaving in a manner that doesn't cultivate respect...getting drunk and acting foolish. Plus many of these kids have gotten use to all of the modern toys and see many foreigners as easy pickings for quick cash. Throw in alcohol and the fire rages.

The three that were beaten were not drunk, they were in the main area were westerners hangout, you would think the safest place, not a dark alley, getting a bit off track from the facts here.

[rjj04]

You'd think that the bar owners/operators would have done something to stop this attack. They must know it will not help their business. Yet, they sat and watched, as usual.

[DuiDui]

I say and post no moore after THIS:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/914 ... paign=news

[BigRick808]

by BigRick808 » May 3, 2016, 7:30 am

12345 said: They wouldn't be that stupid, to go to a drunken celebration, in a foreign country, and mix inappropriately with the locals.

That's a big part of it. Too many Westerners getting too familiar with the locals--especially of the wrong type(obviously) and then themselves behaving in a manner that doesn't cultivate respect...getting drunk and acting foolish. Plus many of these kids have gotten use to all of the modern toys and see many foreigners as easy pickings for quick cash. Throw in alcohol and the fire rages.

The three that were beaten were not drunk, they were in the main area were westerners hangout, you would think the safest place, not a dark alley, getting a bit off track from the facts here.

I just meant in general that a lot of Westerners act very foolish in Thailand and many Thais have lost respect for them. I wasn't referring specifically to those attacked. Thailand seems to draw a lower class of Westerners than you see in many other Asian nations, such as Japan, Korea, or even China. I'm not trying to offend any of you by saying that.

[fatbob]

by BigRick808 » May 3, 2016, 11:03 am

coxo wrote:
BigRick808 wrote:
by BigRick808 » May 3, 2016, 7:30 am

12345 said: They wouldn't be that stupid, to go to a drunken celebration, in a foreign country, and mix inappropriately with the locals.

That's a big part of it. Too many Westerners getting too familiar with the locals--especially of the wrong type(obviously) and then themselves behaving in a manner that doesn't cultivate respect...getting drunk and acting foolish. Plus many of these kids have gotten use to all of the modern toys and see many foreigners as easy pickings for quick cash. Throw in alcohol and the fire rages.


The three that were beaten were not drunk, they were in the main area were westerners hangout, you would think the safest place, not a dark alley, getting a bit off track from the facts here.


I just meant in general that a lot of Westerners act very foolish in Thailand and many Thais have lost respect for them. I wasn't referring specifically to those attacked. Thailand seems to draw a lower class of Westerners than you see in many other Asian nations, such as Japan, Korea, or even China. I'm not trying to offend any of you by saying that.

As you say 'Respect', I don't think it's about Thai's losing respect for foreigners as I don't believe they show any respect to anyone, the young generation are out of control, they used to but not anymore, especially to that old couple, imagine if that was your mother and father?!

[GT93]

Stickman at the end of his column this week opined:

"The sickening attack was nothing that hasn't happened in Thailand many times before. The difference this time was that one of the victims was an old lady. Thais ganging up on foreigners in great numbers and not letting up even when the foreigner is down is nothing new. With mobile phones with video recording capability, reports of such incidents are more common, but I am of the belief that it is only the reporting of such incidents that is on the increase and that this sort of thing has been happening for a long time. The Thais appear to be more concerned about who leaked the video than the incident itself. As per usual, they fear any negative effects it may have on their precious tourism industry. This should be a reminder that Thailand is not as safe as you may think, either in terms of vicious attacks like this or accidents due to carelessness or recklessness ... There are so many negative news stories involving foreigners in Thailand that are never reported, even on social media. Be careful out there - Thailand is much more dangerous than most think."

So he's saying same old same old rather than the place is getting worse. The perception can easily be it's getting worse as these kind of videos come to surface more frequently.

[fatbob]

by GT93 » May 3, 2016, 12:59 pm

Stickman at the end of his column this week opined:

"The sickening attack was nothing that hasn't happened in Thailand many times before. The difference this time was that one of the victims was an old lady. Thais ganging up on foreigners in great numbers and not letting up even when the foreigner is down is nothing new. With mobile phones with video recording capability, reports of such incidents are more common, but I am of the belief that it is only the reporting of such incidents that is on the increase and that this sort of thing has been happening for a long time. The Thais appear to be more concerned about who leaked the video than the incident itself. As per usual, they fear any negative effects it may have on their precious tourism industry. This should be a reminder that Thailand is not as safe as you may think, either in terms of vicious attacks like this or accidents due to carelessness or recklessness ... There are so many negative news stories involving foreigners in Thailand that are never reported, even on social media. Be careful out there - Thailand is much more dangerous than most think."
So he's saying same old same old rather than the place is getting worse. The perception can easily be it's getting worse as these kind of videos come to surface more frequently.

How would both you and Stickman know, you both live in NZ not here so you don't have your finger on the pulse at all.

[Khun Paul]

Some are talking about the simple fact that before attacks were normal it is just that reporting the same onto social media, means that more of us are aware, some even say that in fact it is because we are trying to become more familiar with our Thai hosts, that we let our guard down when enjoying events and so therefore open ourselves up to be attacked or abused because we are foreigners.
The only valid point is that reporting these incidents is on the increase due to the availability of access to the internet.
over the last few years there have been attacks on foreigners that is for sure, but lately I am afraid to say these so-called isolated incidents are becoming not so isolated.
One could look at the numbers, for instance here in Udon there are far more foreigners than there were even 5 years ago. if that is to be translated across the board then the numbers everywhere have increased substantially.
We have heard of instances where foreigners are taking tourism work from the locals, tour operators, to name one that springs to mind. The higher cost to the locals as the big businesses move in to provide for the tourist sidelining the locals, who have to pay more for basics.
The reasons for not wanting tourists be they young/ elderly/rich or back packers , are many , couple that with the Thai preponderance to act without thoughts to the outcome and possible incarceration and the attitude to the me me ( Thainess ) , then we have a recipe for mindless violence just because.
It will get worse I am sure before it gets better, Thailand is having to come to terms with its own future linked now to ASEAN and the rest of the world, only this year we have seen the Major powers insisting on change of practices on a whole batch of working practices that Thais used to enjoy, Sanctions against flying and fishing to name two high profile ones, we all know Thais do NOT like being told what to do and here we have the whole country being told to up the ante or fall.
Their only saving grace is tourism and even that they are failing to address the major problems of Scams/ Attacks/ Deaths/ Investigations and the whole world is watching and commenting about.
They really are stumbling about in the dark, with as I have said before their culture and attitudes are stopping them changing anything positively. Face saving is far more important that is sad for everyone Thai and Foreigner alike.

[GT93]

You don't need to live in a country to be an expert on that country coxo. Most say American experts on North Korea, Iran or Russia won't live in those countries. I'm not an expert on Thailand and when I was living there I don't think I was an expert on Thailand and definitely not on personal safety issues in Thailand.

I think Stickman writes in a balanced and considered manner, unlike your recent posts. I would place him in the expert category on many issues, including personal safety in Thailand.

As for your post:

"As you say 'Respect', I don't think it's about Thai's losing respect for foreigners as I don't believe they show any respect to anyone, the young generation are out of control, they used to but not anymore, especially to that old couple, imagine if that was your mother and father?!"

You're writing about other posters' family members. At best a very broad and sweeping generalization. It's not my experience. I'm not a fan of posts from old blokes going on in such a sweeping manner about a "young generation". I'd usually diagnose grumpy old man syndrome when reading lines like that.

[noosard]

All the Thai's I know are disgusted with this type of violence
If the younger generation has no respect for anyone there would be hundreds if not thousands of these crimes every day
And 32 year old's are hardly the younger generation