EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

[noosard]

Reading those previous post that say all those elected officials say stay
That would definitely make a exit vote
Trust me I will only fleece you It's in your best interests

[Drunk Monkey]

Reading those previous post that say all those elected officials say stay
That would definitely make a exit vote
Trust me I will only fleece you It's in your best interests

=D> =D> =D> the only reason MOST politicians and elected officials want to remain is so they can rape and plunder the system as they have been doing for far too long.

LEAVE ........BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

[pipoz4444]

Pipoz, add these two from Bobs list as being dubious characters that you wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

The leader of the SNP. The poisonous dwarf, Nicola Sturgeon. She will do or say anything to get independence for Scotland. Trouble she can't make up her mind, independence from who?. The UK? She's not going to get it from backing the EU.
The leader of Sinn Fein. Gerry Adams. He is interested in only one thing. A united Ireland. Who in their right mind would endorse his credentials with his history.

Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't know much about Nicola Sturgeon. Have some knowledge of Gerry Adams. Both would arguably come under the umbrella of my general definition of Politicians.

Either way it should be the decision of the UK people and not those outside the UK. Other Heads of State, Leaders of the IMF & Nato, Obama & Church Leaders ( I subscribe to the principle of "Separation of Church & State") etc, have no place in trying to influence the decision making process of the UK people

Good luck with you decision guys.

pipoz4444

[Zidane]

In hindsight we should never have joined the EU and kept our independence similar to countries like Switzerland or Norway.
Nobody likes our countries laws being overridden by some faceless,corrupt,beaureaucrat fom Brussels.
However,with these trade agreements in place there is little doubt that the UK will suffer financially,certainly in the short term,if we exit the EU.
House prices will plummet in the UK as Sterling goes into freefall and it will be more difficult for our companies to export abroad with no trade agreement operating.
As an example of how it will affect us here in Thailand......well,you are likely to see the Pound Sterling at under 40 to the Thai Baht for the foreseeable future.....wether or not it will recover later,I don't know.
Expats who are struggling to make the 400k or 800k financial requirement now will find they have to leave the country as they no longer have the funds on paper.
Thai Immigration will be hoping Britain doesn't leave the EU because of the number of Brits wanting to switch from the Retirement to the more paperwork and time consuming extension based on Marriage !
I'm not taking sides here as I am certainly no fan of Brussels but this is the short term reality we will face.

[FrazeeDK]

I imagine if BREXIT is a go, then the Euro exchange rate will tank.. I wonder how it will truly affect things..

[GT93]

Obama and other outsider big wigs are advancing their respective national interests when they encourage Britons to remain in the EU. Americans want and expect Obama to advance their interests. He thinks the UK puts more spine into Europe.

I'm appalled at the scare campaign from Cameron and particularly from Osborne. Before the campaign started I thought remain was the better option. I no longer think that. There will be some short term pain particularly for British expats and the pound. The future of the EU is bleak whether or not the UK remains - rampant youth unemployment, exchange rates that can't adjust to help economies, increasing German dominance, economies that have lost sovereignty over their economic policies, undemocratic political institutions, rampant red tape etc.

[rreddin]

Obama and other outsider big wigs are advancing their respective national interests when they encourage Britons to remain in the EU. Americans want and expect Obama to advance their interests. He thinks the UK puts more spine into Europe.

I'm appalled at the scare campaign from Cameron and particularly from Osborne. Before the campaign started I thought remain was the better option. I no longer think that. There will be some short term pain particularly for British expats and the pound. The future of the EU is bleak whether or not the UK remains - rampant youth unemployment, exchange rates that can't adjust to help economies, increasing German dominance, economies that have lost sovereignty over their economic policies, undemocratic political institutions, rampant red tape etc.

Here is Lexit the Movie which demolishes the Labour party's reasoning for remaining in the EU. Watch and form your own view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq72f81kkM4

Notice the credits at the end. The making of this movie was funded by donations from individuals, not corporate interests and not a penny from the Labour party.

[skinner]

Obama and other outsider big wigs are advancing their respective national interests when they encourage Britons to remain in the EU. Americans want and expect Obama to advance their interests. He thinks the UK puts more spine into Europe.

I'm appalled at the scare campaign from Cameron and particularly from Osborne. Before the campaign started I thought remain was the better option. I no longer think that. There will be some short term pain particularly for British expats and the pound. The future of the EU is bleak whether or not the UK remains - rampant youth unemployment, exchange rates that can't adjust to help economies, increasing German dominance, economies that have lost sovereignty over their economic policies, undemocratic political institutions, rampant red tape etc.

Here is Lexit the Movie which demolishes the Labour party's reasoning for remaining in the EU. Watch and form your own view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq72f81kkM4

Notice the credits at the end. The making of this movie was funded by donations from individuals, not corporate interests and not a penny from the Labour party.

very good film, well worth watching.

[GT93]

Yes. The money from the banks is quite telling - it supports remain.

I'm also interested in looking at videos from the other side if anyone has some favourites they want to share.

[tamarlane]

Shame on the brexit people and the standard of their behaviour....it is quite obvious who behave,,,and who not..... i wont ever visit a pub near the airport...

[GT93]

Voting Brexit wouldn't mean a voter is all the way with Farage and similarly voting remain doesn't mean a voter is all the way with Cameron and Osborne.

The New York Times is now regularly publishing good opinion pieces on the referendum. Krugman had a good article today or yesterday on the economics; he says the UK is worse off out.

[tataw]

An outsiders perspective of the upcoming vote but with a deep knowledge of what lays ahead

http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affai ... t-stay-go/

[rick]

Well i have setup my proxy vote, and voted sanely.

[arjay]

Obama and other outsider big wigs are advancing their respective national interests when they encourage Britons to remain in the EU. Americans want and expect Obama to advance their interests. He thinks the UK puts more spine into Europe.

I'm appalled at the scare campaign from Cameron and particularly from Osborne. Before the campaign started I thought remain was the better option. I no longer think that. There will be some short term pain particularly for British expats and the pound. The future of the EU is bleak whether or not the UK remains - rampant youth unemployment, exchange rates that can't adjust to help economies, increasing German dominance, economies that have lost sovereignty over their economic policies, undemocratic political institutions, rampant red tape etc.

=D> =D> =D> I couldn't agree more.

Osborne & Cameron seem increasingly intent on scaremongering, misleading and outright lying, to the extent that they are jeopardising their own future political careers. Much of the comment from big business is purely from the perspective of big business and not based on what is better for the country or the people of Great Britain.

The important issues to me include: Britian's loss of democracy/sovereignty, our inability to pass laws to suit our own situation, the loss of control of our own future, the loss of control re immigration, the increasing control from nations whose interests do not match our own.

I was disgusted with Obama sticking his oar in to interfere on something which is for the British people (as individuals) to decide. Would Obama accept a situation where the US had open borders with its neighbours (e.g. Mexico), with free movement of peoples; or where Canada passed laws that the US had to abide by; or the US had to provide free medical treatment & social security benefits to nationals of those neighbouring countries; not to mention its neighbours collectively decided who it could trade with and on what terms?!

There is some brilliant material about on the Internet and particularly on YouTube. If one is sceptical about Nigel Farage's views (of which there are a great many clips, then take a look at some of the debates and discussions featuring Jacob Rees-Mogg or even ex-Chancellor Lord (Nigel) Lawson.

Try a few these:

https://youtu.be/IlNTBHUYjWw

https://youtu.be/GaeLUIqlDFQ - very entertaining/amusing.


https://youtu.be/vUKjTPPcOdQ

Or take a look at Osborne's last ditch threats to frighten voters to vote Remain. Follow the video clips lower down on that page, whereby Rees-Mogg gives a response to those threats: =D>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36534192

And a bonus viewing, - Andrew Neil taking Osborne to task for his scaremongering tactics:

https://youtu.be/e8hgBWiiTPI

I shall be voting Brexit. I am sure Britain will be better out of the EU. Though we will still be within Europe (and NATO)!

[GT93]

I watched the Neil - Osborne interview. I was surprised what a limp fish Osborne was. In my country the politician would fight to be the Alpha male. Our Minister of Finance is a big bore like Osborne but he's successful. I don't vote for the NZ prxck but I think he's pretty competent (e.g. he runs a small surplus).

My thoughts and I note I have spent fewer than 20 nights in the UK in my life and my views on UK politics tend to come from The Guardian and New York Times. The remain lies as stated by Neil were extraordinary. Politicians don't tell such outrageous lies in my country. Yeah, of course they lie here too.

I like to think Osborne wouldn't last 5 minutes in NZ - too many lies, incompetent economic management (a la New York Times) and no personality. He doesn't even try to be the Alpha male. Surely he couldn't be considered a future PM?

[MrFixer]

Yes, Osborne is pretty hopeless.
In terms of 'in' or 'out' its a case of choosing the least-worst option. For me that means 'in'.
The 'outers' talk a lot about 'taking back control'. Of what?
If we leave the EU we will still be members of the EEA, WTO, NATO. We will still have to accept free movement and abide by all EU laws. Of course if UK decides it wants to leave the EEA too then that has enormous ramifications - no one is proposing that at the moment.
The 'outers' keep reminding everyone that the UK is the World's fifth largest economy - that alone suggests to me that 40+ years in the EU haven't done too much damage!

[tinpeeba]

Jonathon Pie Referendum Special - hilariously reflects what many people feel about the EU referendum bedlam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGC5S3ag1q0

[parrot]

Interested-Outsider-Looking-In:
I'm probably naive in thinking those in favor of exit have much in common with folks in Texas who want to secede from the union.......as an elixir to solve all the nation's woes. In any case, I found the article in the link below explained a lot of the issues....from both sides of the fence.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/20/brexit-d ... -lies.html
On complicated issues like these, I tend to go with the flow of the respected......got a noble prize, check. Been a notable PM or president, check. Respected economist, check. Trump, no check.
That said, the last time I deferred to the 'knowledgeable and respected' I messed up big time......Feb 5, 2003.....Colin Powell presents his case against Iraq. Sigh!

[rick]

A fairly balanced piece from CNBC. Indeed Sovereignty and Immigration are issues over which the UK does not have full control, but the exit campaigners just assume it will be 'better' without really explaining how. The real world suggests that if we leave actually little would be different unless we decide to start a trade war with the EU - which of course would be damaging to both. In the 70's the UK voted to join the EU and benefited considerably economically. It is only in the last 10 years that problems have appeared - the question is do you demolish a house with cracks in it or try to repair it. The first is an expensive option ...... which is why the GBP falls every time Brexit gains ground, and rises when remain does well.

[papafarang]

my view really is about the lack of democracy , it has become like the EU is molding itself into copy of the Chinese state. capitalism has taken place of democracy, and the balance is now the wrong way around