Is Bombing the answer to Mideast violence and terror??

[ttom]

Violance is always the end of good senses.

There is no excuse for any kind violance.

[Ricohoc]

Violance is always the end of good senses.

There is no excuse for any kind violance.

Does that mean that if someone attacks you with violence, and they don't want to compromise in some way or agree to stop that you will just let them annihilate you?

[Doc]

Perhaps a broader question needs to be answered:

When does someone defending themselves against a stronger power cease to become a "defender" and become a terrorist?

[kojack]

Perhaps a broader question needs to be answered:

When does someone defending themselves against a stronger power cease to become a "defender" and become a terrorist?

When you prefer putting bombs in buses, malls and bars instead of attack army units ( which this can be considered as a legitimate target ) this makes you terrorist.
When you prefer attack a nearby schools & kindergarten by rockets instead of trying target army bases, this make you terrorist.

[ttom]

Perhaps a broader question needs to be answered:

When does someone defending themselves against a stronger power cease to become a "defender" and become a terrorist?

When you prefer putting bombs in buses, malls and bars instead of attack army units ( which this can be considered as a legitimate target ) this makes you terrorist.
When you prefer attack a nearby schools & kindergarten by rockets instead of trying target army bases, this make you terrorist.

Isn't the true WHY ?? ...
Search for reasons and you'll find the solution.
Any simply explaination offered by politician is usually sheer populism.

Thinking and living the (true) Buddhist way isn't that bad ...

[Ricohoc]

Perhaps a broader question needs to be answered:

When does someone defending themselves against a stronger power cease to become a "defender" and become a terrorist?

When you prefer putting bombs in buses, malls and bars instead of attack army units ( which this can be considered as a legitimate target ) this makes you terrorist.

When you prefer attack a nearby schools & kindergarten by rockets instead of trying target army bases, this make you terrorist.

I'd go along with that definition. The size of the country/group has no bearing on their status as a potential threat to violence. A dozen guys with a dirty bomb and the intent to kill innocent civilians have more potential for harm than the entire military of some countries.

Purposefully attacking innocent civilians is never justified, and I still don't get an answer to my question. How do you deal with someone who wants to use violence and refuses compromise? Do you just let them annihilate you?

[FrazeeDK]

"How do you deal with someone who wants to use violence and refuses compromise?"

in the honored word of Ralph Cramden.. "Boom Zing!! To the Moon Alice!!"

I learned one thing as a parent with Teenagers that applies to many of the illogical, ill-tempered regimes around the world, "You cannot rationalize with irrational people." it just doesn't work... You may as well talk to a soi dog, you'll get just as much cooperation and understanding...

[Ricohoc]

"How do you deal with someone who wants to use violence and refuses compromise?"

in the honored word of Ralph Cramden.. "Boom Zing!! To the Moon Alice!!"

I learned one thing as a parent with Teenagers that applies to many of the illogical, ill-tempered regimes around the world, "You cannot rationalize with irrational people." it just doesn't work... You may as well talk to a soi dog, you'll get just as much cooperation and understanding...

That's how I look at it, too. I guess that shoots down the theory that violence is never justified. People have to defend themselves against irrational people.

Here's another one for anyone who wants to tackle it: If a guy repeatedly says he has a gun, repeatedly says he will kill you, but you never see the gun, do you wait for him to use it?

[Pakawala]

Well now, here's a forum I can get my teeth (tooth) into...

ricohoc - No! Hitler only proved that 'extremism' will not be tolerated for very long.

Doc - The 'Phenomonen' might also be called "licking your wounds". Also, you might check your sourse of 'news' (besides CNN and BBC), the attacks in Iraq have definitely increased... against terrorists.

dbriggins - very quaint how you equate terrorism attacks to counterfieting DVDs

In general, what very few of you seem to understand (or want to believe) is that these Islamofacists can in no way be associated with communism. Communism was beaten because the USSR could not afford (financially) to continue the Cold War. We are now engaged in a Hot War (and have been for over 20 years) and the enemy believes he is winning by dying in the name of Allah!! Normal people (like us - ) canot fathom the principle of dying equating to winning. If I may paraphrase Patton's elequent words, "You don't WIN by dying for your cause, you WIN by making the other S.O.B. DIE for HIS cause."

[dbriggins]

dbriggins - very quaint how you equate terrorism attacks to counterfieting DVDs

What's so quant about it? I thought is was a great analogy!

You run a bunch of soldiers through an area looking for terrorists (who don't live there...) and you merely delay the action...The soldiers go away, and then someone with a chip on their shoulder drives a bomb in from the suburbs.

[Pakawala]

Oooh... that explains it. ...and the DVD's are being copied in the suburbs - right?

[dbriggins]

Oooh... that explains it. ...and the DVD's are being copied in the suburbs - right?

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

[Frankie 1]

I learned one thing as a parent with Teenagers that applies to many of the illogical, ill-tempered regimes around the world, "You cannot rationalize with irrational people." it just doesn't work... You may as well talk to a soi dog, you'll get just as much cooperation and understanding...

So... if everything and everybody has to be rational and logical, where is all the fun?
Would you rather talk to a soidog, because it doesn't talk back?
Is your way the only way? and if people don't behave as logical as you want, will you hit them?
Then who is the terrorist?

[Ricohoc]

Frankie 1, you sure spun that pretty well.

I don't think anyone suggested that violence be used on people just because they are unreasonable.

The context of the situation was defending oneself in a situation where violent actions were taken as a defense against violent actions taken by someone who is unreasonable and unwilling to compromise.

[Dakoda]

Gee, that bombing thing sure worked well in Vietnam, if I remember correctly Its all a haze at the moment.

[banpaeng]

I do not really want to get in this debate but it has got me to thinking.

I agree that most of the wars going on now are religous of some sort. Most all of the countries doing the waring use the same God. They all are saying they are being led by supreme knowledge.

This leads me to a couple of questions.

1. Does this God like a scrap going on all the time? Is that why he tell the folks different stories so the scrap continues!!!

2. Do you reckon a lot of these Preist, Mullahs, Rabbi's, Ministers, etc, are a bit deaf, or are they really just mans ideas with no devine intervention?

I do wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BKKSTAN]

Religion ,to me ,is mans interpretation of how to worship their deity!Even though many profess the same ''God'',they war about whose right!

[Doc]

Personally - anyone that claims to talk to God and the he talks to them - has a number of marbles rolling around loose in their head. Since one must have blind faith to believe that there is a God - then it only stand to reason that God is really nothing more than a figment of a person's imagination.

[swami]

Doc, I would like to apologize for my attack on you. I tried to have the messages erased, but was too late. I would like to leave this matter to rest, as there is nothing to be gained for either of us, and to continue would be senseless. I like to ask myself,"What do I want the outcome to be?" I would like to outcome to be that we both see that there is no point to continue and that there are no further hard feelings. I regret my attack, and offer you my most sincere apologies. michael - swami

[aznyron]

This one should stir up some controversy
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Bombing is the answer to Mideast violence and terror

What if the US systematically bombed for a period of two weeks all 120 nuclear and nuclear-support facilities in Iran? It would postpone for 10 years or so Iran's "grand tour" of nuclear devastation against Israel, resistant Arab states, selected parts of Europe, and beyond.

What if the US also bombed all air force and ground force installations in Iran and Syria?

And for good measure, what if the US bombed the re-grouping Taleban forces in Waziristan in north Pakistan (just ceded to the Taleban), from which Islamists seek to launch attacks against Nato forces in Afghanistan?

And what if - and God knows it's about time - Israel was given the green light to launch a two-pronged attack against Hezbollah death squads and Hamas homicide bombers for the express purpose of destroying both groups, at whatever the cost?

What if all developed states agreed to an embargo on all oil imports from Saudi Arabia, until that state stops setting up schools of hate all over the world?

And finally, what if all democratic states agreed to suspend, for a period of five years, their participation in the United Nations (effectively an Islamised Mafia organisation), to protest that institution's top-down, all-pervasive corruption, and its pathological targeting of one state, week after week?

What if? As a consequence, the world's states would almost certainly see a new lease on life for the only political system, and the only economic system, that ever brought peace, prosperity and freedom: namely, democracy and free-market capitalism.

The alternative, frankly, is to suffer a tidal wave of evil. I believe there is no other way of interpreting what is happening in the world today.

Stephen Carter, PhD

Very well said you got your ship together