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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Udon Map » June 30, 2019, 9:32 am

Lone Star wrote:
June 29, 2019, 2:56 pm
I guess I could say the same thing about you cherry-picking the month of May. :)
One could look at it that way, sure. But looking at the bigger picture,...

The Obama years were a consistent, gradual, nearly uninterrupted up trend.

The market dropped more than 10% in the month immediately following Trump's election after having dropped about 6% from its high in October.

It resumed its uptrend following the inauguration, rising by the beginning of May to meet (but not surpass) its previous high from October, 2018 before dropping around 6% during May. It recovered nearly 8% during June, recovering all of the May losses, and returning to the previous October, 2018 levels achieved during the Obama administration.

In summary, then, after substantial losses, the market has now recovered to where it was after eight years of a consistent, steady uptrend during the Obama years.

Now that he has the first six months under his belt (when one could reasonably argue that the market was carried to some extent by momentum from the Obama years), let's see what happens during the second half of Trump's first year.



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Re: Democrats, Republicans and Elections

Post by jackspratt » June 30, 2019, 10:24 am

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June 30, 2019, 7:54 am
Another Democrat BACKFIRE.

Gallup reports that Immigration is now the most pressing concern for voters at 23%. That's the highest it has ever been since it showed up on Gallup's radar in 1993 -- during BJ Clinton's time in office.
The weekend trend of telling "trumpies" continues. :^o

What Gallup actually reports is as follows:
- 23% mention immigration as most important problem, highest in Gallup trends

- The government is the most commonly mentioned problem, at 26% (My emphasis)

- Most Americans still say immigration a good thing for the U.S.

........Yet immigration has typically finished behind the government as the nation's top problem over the past three years, and did so again this month, when 26% of Americans named the government. Government has finished ahead of immigration in all but two months since February 2017 (July and November 2018). This included a record 35% naming the government in February.

..........Notably, two-thirds of Americans who identify immigration as the most important problem still believe it is a good thing for the country.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/259103/new ... oblem.aspx
And who is the head of the US government again? :-k

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 12:17 pm

Udon Map wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:32 am
. . .

In summary, then, after substantial losses, the market has now recovered to where it was after eight years of a consistent, steady uptrend during the Obama years.

Now that he has the first six months under his belt (when one could reasonably argue that the market was carried to some extent by momentum from the Obama years), let's see what happens during the second half of Trump's first year.
I have never seen markets respond to the PAST -- only to current domestic and foreign events, to future expectations and consumer sentiment (current and future) whether positive or negative. For you to claim that the first two years of stock market movement during Trump's administration belong to Obama due to "momentum" is ridiculous. This would only be true if Trump followed previous policies, which he has not. To the contrary, Trump has reversed much of what Obama did, which has had a huge impact on the economy's drivers. Immediately after the November election in 2016, the market spiked north based on future expectations.

As I have stated previously (and will not repeat in detail since it available for further reading in this thread and others), the stock market does NOT drive the economy. Other components drive the economy, which in turn drive the stock market. If the stock market did indeed drive the economy, Obama would not be the only president in US history NOT to average at least a 2% annual GDP number. The economy's growth under Obama averaged less than 1.5% annually according to US News & World Report. This reflects Main Street losing while Wall Street was winning in the stock market. Other evidence that Main Street losing during the Obama years was the fact that more people were on welfare and food stamps than ever in US history, and the most employable Americans out of the workforce ever in US history. Wages were flat.

Trump has managed to close the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street and have growth in both simultaneously with the tax cuts and massive cuts in regulation. The energy sector has been unleashed and the war on business is over.

Even when markets were spiking downward in a bottom-testing event and due to a stupid Fed comment, market drivers continued to cause the entire US economy to roar. Jobs continued to be created. Wages continued to rise. Consumer spending and optimism remained high. Unemployment stayed low. Inflation remained almost nonexistent, and the US is now in an economic position never before attained where there are over 1.5 million more jobs than Americans seeking work.

Everything was supposed to be HORRIBLE by now BECAUSE TRUMP. All of the haters ignore all the dire America-ending predictions of fellow haters and propagandists: world war, recession, stock market crash, NATO ends, global warming killing everything, blah blah blah.

Regardless of what the market does, which is only one component to measure in all that happens, the economy overall is still highly efficient and humming along.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 12:51 pm

As previous reported there is another President that DID NOT attain a 2% GDP

Barack Obama, 1.2% annual G.D.P. growth rate (previously 1.5%)
George W. Bush, 1.6% (previously 1.7%)
George H.W. Bush, 2.1%
Gerald Ford, 2.2%
Dwight Eisenhower, 2.5%
Richard Nixon, 3.0%
Jimmy Carter, 3.2%
Ronald Reagan, 3.5%
Bill Clinton, 3.8%
Lyndon B. Johnson, 5.0%
John F. Kennedy, 5.4%
NEW YORK TIMES

US News & World Report confirms these numbers also

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Giggle » June 30, 2019, 12:58 pm

Trump meeting Kim in North Korea? =D>
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 1:02 pm

If there are 42.6 million people on the SNAP (Food Stamp program ) in the USA which has been on the decline since 2012,
6,00,000 less and there are 7.6 Million job vacancies, why isnt the SNAP program only feeding 35 to 36 million and the number of job vacancies closer to ZERO?

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 1:28 pm

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm

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Some people just cannot control themselves and stay true to their declarations.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 1:49 pm

If u can continue to post lies (although I am not calling you a Liar) I dont see why I cant go and say one thing and do another

CUT AND PASTE that is somewhat like Donald Duck does

As Chris Christie pointed out The Golden Warrior's main weakness if that he will try and hit Anything that it tossed his way whether it be a fast ball curve ball high low inside or outside the plate he cant resist, somewhat you are like

You said Obama was THE ONLY President to have a GDP less than 2% Well guess who printed crap once again. You quoted
"The economy's growth under Obama averaged less than 1.5% annually according to US News & World Report." in your article

The New York Times and the US News &World Report say 2 Presidents had below 2% GDP

So don't fill the airways with garbage to the readers of UdonMap Do your research before you put it into print

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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 2:06 pm

So emotional. And didn't read closely.
. . . averaged less than 1.5% annually according to US News & World Report.
. . .
Some presidents, including GWB, had a year or more under 2%, but that wasn't what I posted or what the chart reflects.
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But I know you don't care. Image

Get a grip. You're hysterical.
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Re: Trump and the Stock Markets

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 2:08 pm

"Some people just cannot control themselves and stay true to their declarations."

Apparently you havent read what you have posted or colored with Paint by Numbers

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 3:44 pm



HISTORIC!

As usual, the US media was rude.

Today, Trump met with Kim Jong-un, shook hands and walked across the border to North Korea. Trump made history. The first US President to step foot in North Korea.

Trump initiated the meeting.

Kim:
“Good to see you again. I would never have expected to see you at this place.”

Trump:
“Stepping across that line was a great honor. . . We met and we liked each other from day one. . . I think it’s historic, it’s a great day for the world,” he said.

The two leaders then met at the Freedom House to have a brief discussion.

Kim stated that the "excellent relationship” with Trump made the meeting possible.

STEADY WINNING for World Peace.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » June 30, 2019, 4:08 pm



Another more detailed video of world history being made.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 4:28 pm

Trump meets Jim Jong-un (Known as Who flung dung by his friends)

Reminds us of

Neville Chamberlain meets German Chancellor Adolf Hitler 1938

Results of great leaders meeting one another????

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by vlad » June 30, 2019, 6:54 pm

Trump was rude to him Referring him to Rocket Man, or has that been forgotten now LS.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by stattointhailand » June 30, 2019, 8:30 pm

Too late Doodoo =;

Trump's sodded up the order again :roll: he's already done Chamberlain's "I have a paper in my pocket" speech :oops:

although Nev never actually did the "it's only for me and my bestest friend to see nah nah nah nah nah"

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Doodoo » June 30, 2019, 8:51 pm

"Results of great leaders meeting one another????"

Sorry people should have said
"Results of GREAT DICTATORS meeting one another"

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by vlad » July 1, 2019, 4:30 am

Just a few Questions to you LS. As you refuse to answer questions when your asked about some of your threads, i'd like to ask just why or what do you want from the forum ? The idea of the forum is primaeraly for advice, from other members or just subjects than can be debateable. you LS do not join in any debates or use the forum as it should be.So I will ask you once more why do you use Udon map and what exactly are you looking for on the site.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » July 1, 2019, 6:31 am

Giggle wrote:
June 30, 2019, 12:58 pm
Trump meeting Kim in North Korea? =D>
President Trump is the maker of peace in the Korean Peninsula.
— South Korean President Moon Jae-in
Watch the haters spin. \:D/
Yeah. It took exactly 20 minutes for the clown car with the usual members of CBoS to roll in. You can just about set your watch to the first appearance. Their GET TRUMP emotion overwhelms them. So eager to pounce, but it is that eagerness that contributes to their missteps.

A few of them suffer from Dunning-Kruger syndrome. The same knowledge and intelligence that they lack in their weak and clownish responses is the same level of knowledge and intelligence necessary for them to identify their weakness of not responding well or coherently. As a result, they will always repeat the weak clownishness and remain oblivious to their shortcomings.

In other words, they overestimate their skills and abilities and don't have the skill and ability to realize it. Quite sad.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by colt1911 » July 1, 2019, 10:33 am

Well said Lone Star. You're right on the money again.

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