U.S. Politics

[Udon Map]

Please use this thread for all posts and topics about U.S. foreign trade.

[Doodoo]

LS
"Trump for xenophobic comments -- that weren't xenophobic." having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries
If these words were not xenophobix then what were they????

[Udon Map]

.... xenophobic." having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries
If these words were not xenophobix then what were they????

Well, one might say that the remarks weren't really xenophobic because they (or three of them) are not actually from other countries. But, of course, Trump didn't know that.

[Doodoo]

So not know they are from a foreign country is now an excuse??

[Doodoo]

I was also directing this question to LS as he was the one who published it I would like to hear his response.

LS
"Trump for xenophobic comments -- that weren't xenophobic." having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries
If these words were not xenophobix then what were they????"

[Giggle]

Ignorant liberal emotional basket cases doing what they do. The idea that they're members of Congress should serve as a warning to normal Americans that the dingbat lunatic fringe is getting out of control.

They need a good antifa-style beatdown.

[Lone Star]

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A poll of Michigan swing voters -- Independents -- has revealed that they support Trump's efforts with immigration even more than expected considering that it has been a predominantly Democrat voting state. However, Trump did carry the state in the 2016 election.

Many of those polled had voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but voted for Trump in 2016.

Those polled are against open borders, against decriminalizing illegal immigration and against free health care to illegal aliens.

A separate poll of ALL Michigan voters from Zogby Analytics showed the following:
- End mass importation of LEGAL low-wage foreign workers - 54%
- End chain migration - 49%
- Nationwide ban on the hiring of illegal aliens - 77%
- Will support a presidential candidate tough on immigration - 55%

Not one Democrat supports any of these measures important to Michigan voters.

[Lone Star]

Well, one might say that the remarks weren't really xenophobic because they (or three of them) are not actually from other countries. But, of course, Trump didn't know that.

Actually, they're not xenophobic at all. They're not racist at all. The TRUMPagandists in the media and in the Socialist party are focusing on two words: "go back" -- referring to countries where some members of Congress were born.

The following information is not directed to you, UM. I am providing it all -- IN CONTEXT -- for any who wish to navel gaze.

I provided the quoted tweets once before. Here they are again.

Three Tweets from Day 1

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

No one named. There are 14 members of Congress who are naturalized or became citizens through derivation. Look them up yourself. No one was told to go back from where they came and stay there. The general comment was to go back and fix their failed countries of origin and then come back and tell us how it's done, since they think the US does it so badly.

Nothing racist or xenophobic there. Nothing. Trump is calling out those who hate America. It's not about race. It's not about skin color. It's not about fear of foreigners. It's about those who hate America.

I also provided the following quoted tweets earlier.

Two Tweets Day 2

"So sad to see the Democrats sticking up for people who speak so badly of our Country and who, in addition, hate Israel with a true and unbridled passion. Whenever confronted, they call their adversaries, including Nancy Pelosi, "RACIST." Their disgusting language . . .

. . . and the many terrible things they say about the United States must not be allowed to go unchallenged. If the Democrat Party wants to continue to condone such disgraceful behavior, then we look even more forward to seeing you at the ballot box in 2020!

Calling out haters of America and Israel and their phony use of the term "racist". Nothing racist or xenophobic on the part of Trump's words there either.

For those who are really digging and trying to find something racist and xenophobic in either of the two days of tweets, reading comprehension, word usage and knowledge of terms is the key.

Facebook post Day 2:

We will never be a Socialist or Communist Country. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE! It is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for America. Certain people HATE our Country. They are anti-Israel, pro Al-Qaeda, and comment on the 9/11 attack, “some people did something.” Radical Left Democrats want Open Borders, which means drugs, crime, human trafficking, and much more. Detention facilities are not Concentration Camps! America has never been stronger than it is now – rebuilt Military, highest Stock Market EVER, lowest unemployment and more people working than ever before. Keep America Great!

Calling out haters. References a quote from Omar and Oc-Co Loco.

Speech at the White House in video below. Watch for yourself, but there's nothing racist or xenophobic there either.



And after these comments, four America-haters in Congress DECIDED ON THEIR OWN that it was about them. Only two of them were named in any of it. It's always true that the guilty shall speak.

Today, Trump is taking a victory lap for forcing Pelosi to embrace these four and all of their hate and vitriol. Bait taken by Democrats. Mission accomplished.

You can choose to not like Trump. You can hate Trump. You can disagree with him for saying these things. You can think it's all inappropriate for a president to say; but what was said was not only the truth and needed to be said to call out America haters, but were NOT racist or xenophobic. Anyone can try and manipulate and twist it all any way you wish, there is still nothing racist or xenophobic about any of it. LIBs love to call "RACIST" for everyone who disagrees with them or calls them out. This is another such instance. Trump is calling out those who hate America and who also happen to sit in Congress.

What Democrats hate the most about Trump is that he fights for America, its citizens and fights back. Democrats are so used to having Republicans hide under their desks and take it. Not Trump.

If you think Trump is racist and xenophobic in these comments, that's you. Believe whatever you wish.

A.F. Branco's political cartoon sums it up well.

It's telling that Democrats could assemble in Congress in 24 hours to pass a resolution against "racist" Trump, but they can't do the People's Business and improve the lives of Americans or the conditions on the border.

Democrats exposed again.

[Lone Star]

All things Immigration, China Trade, and the Mueller Dossier testimony -- along with a warning to Democrats.

[Lone Star]

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One of the most important free market DRIVERS -- retail sales and consumer spending -- are still chugging along at a great pace. MAGAnomics is working!

The US Commerce Department released advanced numbers that indicate a 0.7% increase in just the month of June and a 3.8% year-over-year in crease.

More than 66% of US GDP is based from retail sales. US consumers buy almost 75% of everything produced in the US. America is pretty much self-sufficient (as has been explained before). The US is self-sustaining and does not have a dependency on imported goods.

According to a Reuters poll of economists, they predicted only a 0.1% increase in retail sales in June. WRONG AGAIN.

Retail sales would NOT be strong if wages weren't increasing and the middle class had no disposable income.

Once again, both Main Street and Wall Street are WINNING.

For over three decades, Wall Street exploited the US economy, which hurt Main Street. Jobs went overseas and the trade deficit increased. Wall Street made more in profit, but American workers were jobless. It also weakened the US by not producing many of their own goods. Trump has put incentives in place for businesses to MAKE THINGS IN AMERICA. Trump's tariffs play into this success for Main Street.

STEADY WINNING.

[Lone Star]

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The impact that was expected on US consumers by the tariffs on China has not panned out. Prices are dropping for the American consumer.

China has attempted to avoid Trump's tariffs by DROPPING prices of their products through subsidies and devaluing their currency. All of those overseas companies are trying to stay profitable overseas, but China is working against them to work against Trump's tariffs. This has caused the US to do nothing more than import deflation.

The tariffs have caused China to give US consumers a better price on imported goods.

Trump's manufacturing policies have lowered the cost of manufacturing in the US, which means there is no longer any huge savings from overseas.

As more companies adjust their supply lines -- and even move their production back to the US -- the GDP of the US expands in a massive way. The goal is to have the American consumer buying the American-produced products, which keeps all of the value inside the US. All the pressure points are being utilized well.

USMCA trade with Canada and Mexico will make North America the best bet for manufacturing and production, while we stop providing income to our enemy, China. Mexico can see this value. That's why they were so ready to help Trump on the border.

If Pelosi ever brings the USMCA to a floor vote, China will have lost any leverage that it has left. There will be no reason for Trump to play China's trade games. China is betting on Pelosi to keep fighting Trump and not giving him a win on the trade deal.

[Lone Star]

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Making Free Speech Great Again!

Is it President Trump’s fault the Four Harridans of the Dempocalypse are “women of color?”

If you have enough of your own mind left after decades of being socialized by the media into believing everything is racist except actual racism, you are keenly aware that the media, Democrats, and Never Trump Cucks are acting as though it’s Trump’s fault The Jew-Hating Squad — which is made up of freshmen Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — is a not a bunch of straight, white males.

All Trump did, all he is guilty of is telling the truth about how horrible these women are — how they appease terrorists; how they smear America as a country filled with concentration camps; how they destroy tens of thousands of jobs in New York; how they’re raging antisemites who despise Jews; how they’re preening, wannabe dictators desperate for personal power through socialism; and how, yes, they are straight-up racists…

But it is Trump who is attacked as a racist — even though, you know, he never mentioned race.

Answer me this question: What race is he denigrating?

I’m sorry, but Trump is not responsible for the color of another person’s skin. So what he is really doing is the least racist thing any American can do, which is to treat these villains as he would anyone else who holds their toxic beliefs.

If you think Trump singles out only “people of color,” ask the straightest, squarest, lily-white males in the free world — ask Jeb Bush, Justin Amash, Bill Kristol, Joe Scarborough, Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan, and Mitt Romney about that.

But, you see, in America today, we’re not supposed to tell the truth about the left, and that’s why the activist left and their castle guards in the media are so furious and frustrated with Trump. He cannot be cucked, and now that he’s told the truth about these lady-monsters, the media are beside themselves with impotent rage because not being able to cuck him like the rest of the GOP drives them all crazy.

Here’s what we know…

If the Four Harridans of the Dempocalypse were not “women of color,” another shriek would have been invented by the media to defend them from Trump. If they were four white guys but one was homosexual, Trump would be attacked as a homophobe. If one were Jewish, he’d be attacked as a Nazi. If one had a harelip, he’d be accused of mocking people with birth defects.

And if none of that worked, if the Four Harridans of the Dempocalypse were all straight, white males, the media would accuse Trump of calling for violence against them.

This is the trap the media have been setting for Republicans for decades and Trump is the first Republican to understand that the only way to avoid that trap is to step into it, pull down you’re your pants, shake your ass, and flip everyone the bird.

What’s more, can someone explain to me why it’s not okay to tell antisemitic bigots to get the hell out of the country? What could be more un-American than racism and bigotry? What could be more un-American than refusing to condemn al Qaeda or lobbying for socialism?

And why can’t we tell immigrants who come here only to hate on us to go back home?

What’s wrong with that? My wife’s a Mexican immigrant who frequently tells these hideous leftists to get the hell out.

Is my immigrant “person of color” wife a racist?

Regardless, the news around Trump’s tweets is so fake, we’re being told he told people to “go home” when he didn’t. Here’s what he wrote:

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.

Trump is making a larger point in that tweet, not telling anyone to go home and never come back.

The truth is that Trump never brought up skin color, gender, or “people of color,” which means there was nothing racist about his tweets. Nothing nativist. Nothing xenophobic. His tweets focused on only one thing: behavior — the appalling behavior of the harridans, their indefensible bigotry, their open hatred of Jews, their unforgivable use of equivalence to compare the American military to al Qaeda and our border enforcement to Nazi concentration camps, their un-American crusade to prioritize illegal immigrants over American citizens and legal immigrants.

Trump told the truth. Trump defended America. This is what a president is supposed to do.

But in America today nothing is more dangerous than telling the truth. The media cannot stand it. The Democrat Party cannot survive it. The simpering gerbil-cucks who call themselves “Never Trump TrueCons” melt down like little girls over the very idea of waging this righteous battle in the only way it can be won — with the same belligerence the other side uses when they talk of “concentration camps” and “impeaching the motherfucker.”

Trump has the heart of a lion, and his willingness to take flaming arrows in the back to speak the truth is the most liberating, crucial, noble, effective, and American defense of free speech in my lifetime.

- John Nolte

[Lone Star]

[Lone Star]

[papafarang]

Turkey S-400 missile system "Because they have a system of missiles that's made in Russia, they're now prohibited from buying over 100 planes. I would say that Lockheed isn't exactly happy. That's a lot of jobs," Trump said, referring to the F-35 manufacturer.

"Acquisition of the S-400 fundamentally undermines the capability of the F-35 and our ability to maintain that overmatch in the skies," Esper said

Mark Esper telling everyone how good the S-400 is and the F35 isn't capable against it . oops
what he should have said was " S400, no issues for the F35 . . and

[Lone Star]

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Information now reveals that the FBI debunked the Steele Dossier BEFORE they used it in their FISA warrants.

Investigative reporting by John Solomon

FBI's spreadsheet puts a stake through the heart of Steele's dossier

Some in the news media have tried in recent days to rekindle their long-lost love affair with former MI6 agent Christopher Steele and his now infamous dossier.

The main trigger was a lengthy interview in June with the Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general, which some news outlets suggested meant U.S. officials have found Steele, the former Hillary Clinton-backed political muckraker, to be believable.

“Investigators ultimately found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising,” Politico crowed. The Washington Post went even further, suggesting Steele’s assistance to the inspector general might “undermine Trumpworld’s alt-narrative” that the Russia-collusion investigation was flawed.

For sure, Steele may have valuable information to aid Justice’s internal affairs probe into misconduct during the 2016 Russia election probe. His dossier alleging a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Moscow ultimately was disproven, but not before his intelligence was used to secure a surveillance warrant targeting the Trump campaign in the final days of the 2016 election.

Investigators are trying to ascertain what the British intelligence operative told the FBI about his sources, his relation to the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign, his hatred for Donald Trump, his Election Day deadline to get his information public and his leaking to media outlets before agents used his dossier to justify a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to spy on ex-Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

There is evidence Steele told the DOJ in July, and the State Department in October, about all of these flaws in his work, and that State officials even detected blatant inaccuracies in his intelligence. If so, all of that information should have been flagged by the FBI as potentially derogatory information weighing against Steele’s use as a source for the FISA warrant.

But lest anyone be tempted to think Steele’s 2016 dossier is about to be mysteriously revived as credible, consider this: Over months of work, FBI agents painstakingly researched every claim Steele made about Trump’s possible collusion with Russia, and assembled their findings into a spreadsheet-like document.

The over-under isn’t flattering to Steele.

Multiple sources familiar with the FBI spreadsheet tell me the vast majority of Steele’s claims were deemed to be wrong, or could not be corroborated even with the most awesome tools available to the U.S. intelligence community. One source estimated the spreadsheet found upward of 90 percent of the dossier’s claims to be either wrong, nonverifiable or open-source intelligence found with a Google search.

In other words, it was mostly useless.

“The spreadsheet was a sea of blanks, meaning most claims couldn’t be corroborated, and those things that were found in classified intelligence suggested Steele’s intelligence was partly or totally inaccurate on several claims,” one source told me.

The FBI declined comment when asked about the spreadsheet.

The FBI’s final assessment was driven by many findings contained in classified footnotes at the bottom of the spreadsheet. But it was also informed by an agent’s interview, in early 2017, with a Russian that Steele claimed was one of his main providers of intelligence, according to my sources.

The FBI came to suspect that the Russian misled Steele, either intentionally or through exaggeration, the sources said.

The spreadsheet and a subsequent report by special prosecutor Robert Mueller show just how far off the seminal claims in the Steele dossier turned out to be.

For example, U.S. intelligence found no evidence that Carter Page, during a trip to Moscow in July 2016, secretly met with two associates of Vladimir Putin — Rosneft oil executive Igor Sechin and senior government official Igor Divyekin — as part of the effort to collude with the Trump campaign, as Steele reported.

Page did meet with a lower-level Rosneft official, and shook hands with a Russian deputy prime minister, the FBI found, but it was a far cry from the tale that Steele’s dossier spun.

Likewise, Steele claimed that Sechin had offered Page a hefty finder’s fee if he could get Trump to help lift sanctions on Moscow: “a 19 percent (privatized) stake in Rosneft in return.”

That offer, worth billions of dollars, was never substantiated and was deemed by some in U.S. intelligence to be preposterous.

The inaccuracy of Steele’s intelligence on Page is at the heart of the inspector general investigation specifically because the FBI represented to the FISA court that the intelligence on Page was verified and strong enough to support the FISA warrant. It was, in the end, not verified.

Another knockdown of the dossier occurred when U.S. intelligence determined former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was not in Prague in the summer of 2016 when Steele claimed he was meeting with Russians to coordinate a hijacking of the election, the sources said.

Steele’s theory about who in the Trump campaign might be conspiring with Russia kept evolving from Page to Cohen to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. None of those theories checked out in the end, as the Mueller report showed.

Again, Steele’s intelligence was wrong or unverifiable.

The salacious, headline-grabbing claim that Russians had incriminating sex tapes showing Trump engaged in depraved acts with prostitutes also met a factual dead end when the FBI interviewed the Georgian-American businessman who claimed to know about them. Giorgi Rtskhiladze told investigators “he was told the tapes were fake,” according to a footnote in the Mueller report. Rtskhiladze’s lawyer subsequently issued a letter taking issue with some of Mueller’s characterizations.

Steele had some general things right, of course, including that the Russians were behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s emails. Of course, there were public reports saying so when Steele reported this.

But even then, his dossier’s theory of how the hackers worked, who paid them and how they communicated with Trump was determined in the FBI spreadsheet and subsequent Mueller investigation to be far from accurate.

Even State officials, who listened to Steele’s theories in October 2016 — less than two weeks before his dossier was used to support the FISA request — instantly determined he was grossly wrong on some points.

Any effort to use Steele’s belated cooperation with the inspector general's investigation to prop up the credibility of his 2016 anti-Trump dossier or the FBI’s reliance on it for the FISA warrant is deeply misguided.

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a key defender of Trump, said he talked with DOJ officials after the most recent stories surfaced about Steele and was told the reporting is wrong. “Based on my conversations with DOJ officials, recent reports which suggest Christopher Steele’s dossier and allegations are somehow deemed credible by DOJ, are simply false and not based on any confirmation from sources with direct knowledge of ongoing investigations,” Meadows told me.

The FBI’s own spreadsheet was so conclusive that it prompted then-FBI Director James Comey (no fan of Trump, mind you) to dismiss the document as “salacious and unverified” and for lead FBI agent Peter Strzok to text, “There’s no big there there.” FBI lawyer Lisa Page testified that nine months into reviewing Steele’s dossier they had not found evidence of the collusion that Steele alleged.

Two years later, Mueller came to the same conclusion: Steele’s intelligence alleging a conspiracy was never verified.

The next time you hear a pundit suggesting Steele’s dossier is credible or that the FBI’s reliance on it as FISA evidence was justified, just picture all those blanks in that FBI spreadsheet.

They speak volumes as to what went wrong in the Russia investigation.

So there was NO EVIDENCE to charge Carter Page. There was NO EVIDENCE to charge George Papadopolous -- other than his confusing a date as to when he was contacted by one of the CIA informants -- Joseph Mifsud. Page and Papadopolous were supposedly the TWO MAIN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russians. NOPE. Not even close. Even worse, the FBI knew it and used the dossier as evidence anyway -- UNVERIFIED evidence.

It's looking more and more that Trump is correct again. It was all a witch hunt.

[vlad]

So whats your take on the House of Representatives condemning Trump for his " Racist " comments LS ?

[TJ]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
― Joseph Goebbels

"CNN and MSNBC have said the word "racist" more than 630 times since Sunday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service."

Despite overwhelming evidence that Donald Trump is no racist, pervasive media propaganda has succeeded in associating racism with our U.S. president. The progressives on this forum provide ample evidence of the leftist media's success.

[newtovillagelife]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
― Joseph Goebbels

"CNN and MSNBC have said the word "racist" more than 630 times since Sunday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service."

Despite overwhelming evidence that Donald Trump is no racist, pervasive media propaganda has succeeded in associating racism with our U.S. president. The progressives on this forum provide ample evidence of the leftist media's success.

'Of course he's not a racist, I mean equating a group of white supremacist chanting 'Jews will not replace us' with 'fine people' , nothing racist or anti-semitic about that.

[Lone Star]

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
― Joseph Goebbels

"CNN and MSNBC have said the word "racist" more than 630 times since Sunday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service."

Despite overwhelming evidence that Donald Trump is no racist, pervasive media propaganda has succeeded in associating racism with our U.S. president. The progressives on this forum provide ample evidence of the leftist media's success.

Yes, the media has been screeching like moonbat loons since Trump came down the escalator in 2015. Every bombshell announcement that would take down Trump has gone away weeks after they announced it.

You're absolutely correct that the media has played a role in all of this "racist" talk. They've labeled Trump supporters as racists, framing them as racists, dehumanizing them at every turn to justify any physical and violent attack against them. The media has jumped on the bandwagon of all of the fake hate crimes NOT committed by Trump supporters -- not to mention all the accusations of fake thought crimes. The media consistently gives a pass to every LIB who physically attacks someone who doesn't agree with them. The media justifies the violence because Trump's supporters are all racist, you know. The LIB Thug Mob can do what they do because Trump and his supporters are evil.

Conservatives are tired of all of the attention paid to illegal immigrants while ignoring American citizens. Conservatives are sick of the denigration of the flag. Those haters have the right to insult the flag, the anthem, the country and those who fight for the country; but Conservatives also have the right to reject the actions and words of haters and to respond to it.

Trump understands this disgust on the part of Conservatives, and while he attacks these "Four Harpies of Hate" for their incendiary rhetoric, lies and hate for America, the media makes these four seem more powerful than the reality. They are only 4 representatives in Congress out of hundreds. Even Nancy Pelosi knows that these 4 are only four votes and that they damage her party. She has said, "They're just four votes." Trump has managed to get Democrats to circle the wagons around their "Four Harpies of Hate." Not a good look. And today, according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval numbers are UP after he called out the haters.

Trump is blessed with the best enemies in the world -- Rosie O'Donnell, Crooked Hillary, CNN and now the Harpies.

The Harpies' litany of hate is elaborate, extensive and factual. It's so factual that the media won't even tell you about it. The "Harpies" laugh about Al Quaeda. They claim that Jewish money controls Congress. They won't condemn Antifa. They want to abolish capitalism. Abolish the borders. Abolish ICE. The list is almost infinite.

The Harpies hold up other America-haters who denigrate our flag and anthem as heroes and think that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington are villains.

The supporters of the Harpies are even worse. Their supporters dox people, spit on people in restaurants, kick law-abiding citizens out of restaurants, fire-bomb ICE facilities, physically attack reporters.

Trump has been called a motherf***ing Nazi war criminal who is putting people in concentration camps.

Trump says basically, 'Love It or Leave It." and that's the big LIB scandal.