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Post by Lone Star » September 2, 2019, 6:36 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
September 2, 2019, 2:04 am
There is no need to be surprised. The USA is a Federal Republic. Nowhere in the constitution does it say the USA is a democracy.
Nailed it.

There are too many legitimate explanations (without the incomplete information and sarcasm in the YouTube video). The Internet has excellent historical references to this phase in American History. As soon as the video gave the perception that citizens didn't vote for the President and were voting for the electors instead -- and then added sarcasm to the lecture -- it was easy to view it as slanted nonsense.

It appeared to be more of a thesis on why the EC shouldn't exist -- much like the anti-gun arguments are today when references are made to muskets and hunting. The EC is not outdated and neither is the 2nd Amendment. They both do exactly what they were designed to do at inception.

Getting back to the video, it's fine and dandy if they want to make a case for getting rid of the EC, but the video was presented as a legitimate explanation of the EC. It is not.


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Post by Lone Star » September 2, 2019, 6:39 am

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September 2, 2019, 5:25 am
First, regarding the essay by the political science teacher at Rutgers. As I read I began to think it would be a useful tool if Obama was substituted for Trump along with the names other Obama administration agents. If in fact he taught political science at Rutgers for forty years he could only be a Progressive committed to brainwashing students in the Postmodern/Marxist ideology. If he hadn't been a leftist, he would never lasted 40 years. At present he wouldn't have lasted three years if he did not toe the far left line.

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Without question.

It's like the intellectual elitists slept through 2009-2016.

And that is absolutely true about Rutgers. He would have never gotten tenure, much less survived without a left-leaning perspective over 3+ decades.
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Post by newtovillagelife » September 2, 2019, 6:49 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
September 2, 2019, 2:04 am
There is no need to be surprised. The USA is a Federal Republic. Nowhere in the constitution does it say the USA is a democracy.
What else would surprise you is that if you asked the average American on the street, if they lived in a Democracy, they would say YES.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by TJ » September 2, 2019, 7:40 am

newtovillagelife wrote:
September 2, 2019, 6:49 am
Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
September 2, 2019, 2:04 am
There is no need to be surprised. The USA is a Federal Republic. Nowhere in the constitution does it say the USA is a democracy.
What else would surprise you is that if you asked the average American on the street, if they lived in a Democracy, they would say YES.
Very likely. So might the average citizen on the street in Hitler's NAZI Germany, Pol Pot's Democratic Kampuche, Saddam Hussein's Iraq and all others. I think even North Korea has "democratic" voting. Can you advise me of any nation that does not practice democracy which is election through the citizen's vote.

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Post by newtovillagelife » September 2, 2019, 9:01 am

TJ wrote:
September 2, 2019, 7:40 am
newtovillagelife wrote:
September 2, 2019, 6:49 am
Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
September 2, 2019, 2:04 am
There is no need to be surprised. The USA is a Federal Republic. Nowhere in the constitution does it say the USA is a democracy.
What else would surprise you is that if you asked the average American on the street, if they lived in a Democracy, they would say YES.
Very likely. So might the average citizen on the street in Hitler's NAZI Germany, Pol Pot's Democratic Kampuche, Saddam Hussein's Iraq and all others. I think even North Korea has "democratic" voting. Can you advise me of any nation that does not practice democracy which is election through the citizen's vote.
Well not the US, otherwise Hillary would be in office.

Which was my point. What's yours???

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Post by Lone Star » September 2, 2019, 2:39 pm

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Its the only FREE SPEECH that LIBs will tolerate.
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Udon Map » September 2, 2019, 3:24 pm

Lone Star wrote:
September 2, 2019, 6:36 am
The EC is not outdated and neither is the 2nd Amendment. They both do exactly what they were designed to do at inception.
While that's sort of true (IMO the EC does not function the way it was originally intended to), the EC and 2nd Amendment are two very different things, and you need to apply different analyses to them. The Second Amendment says what it says. But the circumstances then were different. There were no police departments and no full time military. So the 2nd Amendment made a lot of sense at the time.

Does it still? I think that that's debatable, and be prepared for that discussion to detour very quickly into originalism. I'm generally with Scalia on the issue of originalism; although I'm not so sure about the Second Amendment. All that said, the Second Amendment says what it says. The Constitution has a provision for amending it if that's what the people want.

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Post by Lone Star » September 2, 2019, 4:34 pm

Udon Map wrote:
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. . .
the EC and 2nd Amendment are two very different things, and you need to apply different analyses to them. The Second Amendment says what it says. But the circumstances then were different. There were no police departments and no full time military. So the 2nd Amendment made a lot of sense at the time.

. . .
I said the arguments against the EC and 2ndA are the same. I agree with you that they are "two very different things." The argument against both attempt to make them seem outdated, of no use -- and you did the same thing making a reference to police departments and a full time military.

My post (emphasis added):
It appeared to be more of a thesis on why the EC shouldn't exist -- much like the anti-gun arguments are today when references are made to muskets and hunting. The EC is not outdated and neither is the 2nd Amendment. They both do exactly what they were designed to do at inception.
The 2ndA is about government tyranny -- which resulted in a colonial revolution that the Founders and Framers had just completed. That threat still exists into the 21st century, and there are adequate examples in the 20th century that show the result of a disarmed law-abiding public at the hands of a tyrannical central government.

You're entitled to your opinion as to why the 2ndA is no longer necessary, but the intent of the Founders and Framers is clear.
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Post by Udon Map » September 2, 2019, 8:56 pm

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September 2, 2019, 4:34 pm
You're entitled to your opinion as to why the 2ndA is no longer necessary, but the intent of the Founders and Framers is clear.
And for those who are Originalists, the reason doesn't matter, anyway. The Constitution says what it says. To be clear, I didn't say that it's no longer necessary, at least I didn't intend to. I intended merely to point out part of the historical context. After all, we study the Constitutional Convention and the Framers to understand context, among other things.

Speaking of the Electoral College, here's an article I read earlier today which is pretty well informed, regardless of which side you're on: "The Danger of the Attacks on the Electoral College"

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/danger-a ... t=09012019

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Post by Domat » September 2, 2019, 9:23 pm

It seen US soldiers who serve for the country are second class citizen in the future. Thank you Mr. president. =D>
(Reuters) - Some children born to U.S. citizens stationed abroad as government employees or members of the U.S. military will no longer qualify for automatic American citizenship under a policy change unveiled on Wednesday by the Trump administration.

Effective Oct. 29, certain parents serving overseas in the U.S. armed forces or other agencies of the federal government must go through a formal application process seeking U.S. citizenship on their children's behalf by their 18th birthday, the policy states.

A government fact sheet, however, listed several caveats appearing to exempt many such children from the new requirement, including those with at least one U.S. citizen parent who lived in the United States before the child's birth.

Currently, children born to U.S. citizens stationed by their government in a foreign country are legally considered to be "residing in the United States," thus allowing their parents to simply obtain a certificate showing their children acquired citizenship automatically.

But in an 11-page "policy alert," the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) agency said it found the prevailing rules contradictory and at odds with other parts of federal immigration law and State Department procedures.
Beyond that, the rationale for the policy revision remained unclear.

"It's a solution in search of a problem," Tennessee-based attorney Martin Lester, who chairs the military assistance program for the American Immigration Lawyers Association, told Reuters. He added that the scope of the change seemed fairly limited.

"I'm sure, to be fair, it's a relatively small number of people," Lester said.

Acting USCIS director Ken Cuccinelli stressed on Twitter that the new rule "does NOT impact birthright citizenship" - the doctrine - criticized by President Donald Trump - by which anyone born in the United States or its possessions automatically acquires U.S. citizenship.

But the change could conceivably give Trump room to argue that his administration curtailed birthright benefits that a citizen with little or no actual U.S. residency can automatically confer to their foreign-born offspring.

"It only affects children who were born outside the US and were not US citizens," Cuccinelli tweeted.

The larger American expatriate community is likewise unaffected. Children born overseas to non-military, non-government parents still automatically gain U.S. citizenship so long as at least one parent is a U.S. citizen who has previously lived in the United States for five years or more.

The new policy, which is not retroactive, sparked immediate consternation on the part of some organizations representing members of the armed forces.

"Military members already have enough to deal with, and the last thing that they should have to do when stationed overseas is go through hoops to ensure their children are U.S. citizens," said Andy Blevins, executive director of the Modern Military Association of America.

He urged Congress to take action to address the situation to "ensure our military families don't suffer the consequences of a reckless administration."

(Reporting by Steve Gorman in Los Angeles; editing by Bill Tarrant and Simon Cameron-Moore)

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Probably the most concise and detailed explanation of what Communist China is doing and why the US must retaliate -- or not do business with CCP at all. What is happening in this logjam has LESS to do with trade and the MOST to do with US national security.

Ellis points out that Trump has delayed and delayed and delayed the tariffs, which has given the Chinese Communists more time to make a deal when they have acted like they are willing to do so. Only to stall and stop. Something of which I was unaware is that the Chinese Communists have never even lived up to any commitments in the World Trade Organization after entering.

Broken promises by the CCP are the reasons for the tariffs.

Ellis also points out that the tariff percentages were not just pulled out the air. They are directly related to China's subsidizing of products.

The Chinese people prosper in every country where they immigrate, but they can't prosper inside the borders of their own country.

This idea that all tariffs are bad -- no matter what -- is a fallacy and a myth. Even Adam Smith's philosophy of free trade finds that there are several important reasons to have tariffs, and he outlines those reasons in "The Wealth of Nations":

1. Preserve an industry -- especially for national defense. The British did it to preserve their shipbuilding industry to build their empire. Smith sees it as the wisest tariff move because defense of the country is superior to the opulence of having more stuff at lower prices. This is why the first tariffs were on steel, which was being dumped in the US by China.

2. When other countries impose tariffs, duties or unfair trade upon your products. This is exactly what China has done for decades.

3. When producers in your country are subjected to a tax that foreign competitors do not face, it makes sense to impose an equal tax on the foreign competitor for balance.

There is no alternative offered by Trump's critics to stop China from continuing their assault through trade. Those same critics also don't see past inexpensive products and don't see or acknowledge the threat to national security.

What the Chinese Communists are doing to the US in trade, they are also doing with every other country in the world. All of them.

I've witnessed individuals outraged by "greed," outraged by evil big business, outraged by countries involved in ignoring copyrights and patents, outraged by countries manipulating their currency and affecting currency exchange rates, outraged by criminal drug distribution. Yet these same outraged, pearl-clutching individuals can't/won't see it happening with Chinese Communists -- because GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP.

All have been willing to throw all those long-held beliefs and philosophies out the window because they hate Trump more than holding to their heart-felt principles of fairness.

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Post by Lone Star » September 3, 2019, 6:10 am

It seen US soldiers who serve for the country are second class citizen in the future. Thank you Mr. president.
Such drama. Clutch those pearls, Domat.

Even Democrat hopefuls for POTUS are spouting the same foolishness -- claiming Trump is taking away citizenship of children of overseas military.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. Apparently, you either didn't read your own source, or you suffer from the same affliction as the Head Cheerleader -- comprehension of your own source and/or weak vocabulary.

Or maybe you just love drama.

In the first four paragraphs it is clear that the citizenship is no longer automatic for a child of parents who are both not citizens. The application process can be completed at any time before the child's 18th birthday. They've got almost two decades to handle their business.

Where one parent is already a citizen, any offspring will be a citizen. Children from those marriages are exempt from this order. This has always been the case and continues to be in force.

In the 5th paragraph of YOUR source, the reason for the change is described as a legal one due to a conflict with EXISTING immigration law. In other words, this has always been the law. The order falls in line with that law. Trump's order is merely clarification.

I know you hate Trump BECAUSE TRUMP and want to GET TRUMP, but like most of the haters, you're letting your emotion get the best of you.

For the record, there should NOT be ANY automatic citizenship for an offspring of parents who are NOT citizens.
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Post by Udon Map » September 3, 2019, 10:36 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 3, 2019, 6:10 am
In the 5th paragraph of YOUR source, the reason for the change is described as a legal one due to a conflict with EXISTING immigration law. In other words, this has always been the law. The order falls in line with that law. Trump's order is merely clarification.
AFAIK this has nothing to do with Trump. It's my understanding that the laws/regulations of the Defense Department, State Department, and USCIS do conflict, and that this is an action to align them and ensure that they work in concert. I'm always all in favor of making sure that our laws and regulations are consistent.

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Post by Doodoo » September 3, 2019, 3:23 pm

People Can’t Believe How Easily Kim Jong Un ‘Played' Trump
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"GET ALONG LITTLE DOGIES"

President Donald Trump is accused of being “played” by North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un over the advancement of the Hermit Kingdom’s weapons arsenal.

Trump has repeatedly downplayed North Korea’s missile test launches in recent weeks. But The New York Times reported Monday that U.S. intelligence officials now think Trump’s stance has actually let Kim “test missiles with greater range and maneuverability that could overwhelm American defenses in the region.”

The development sparked anger on Twitter, where MSNBC political analyst Rick Tyler said it was “hard to know who deserves more credit: Kim for successfully completing tests of a rapidly-deployable solid-fuel rockets that threaten the region including American bases or POTUS for allowing it to happen.”

Joe Scarborough, the host of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” tweeted it was “shocking how easily Donald Trump got played by the most tyrannical communist leader in the world.” CHUMP

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Trump's "Pledge to America's Workers" celebrated its one-year anniversary in July. Like so many other programs instituted by past administrations, it didn't just go away and become dormant. It has grown by leaps and bounds.

The National Council for the American Worker has developed a strategy for training and retraining workers across the US in all industries of need where skills are necessary for entry level and for advancement. The Council is comprised of leaders from public, private, academic, workforce, and non-profit sectors to enhance employment opportunities for ALL Americans of every employable age.

Over 300 companies and organizations have signed the pledge and committed to the training and retraining of over 13 MILLION jobs over just the next five years. The one-year goal was only 500,000. An unbelievably successful endeavor at every level.

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Post by TJ » September 3, 2019, 5:43 pm

"Count on Trump to defend free speech from global censorship

President Trump deserves enormous credit for his exceptional commitment to free speech at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France. Foreign leaders, like our own illiberal, liberal activists, are chomping at the bit to introduce ever more online censorship.

At the G7, European leaders introduced a measure that would have drafted tech companies into the role of government censors, forcing them to police online content and remove anything that bureaucrats deem to be insensitive. Emmanuel Macron struggled in vain to conceal his disappointment as he announced that the United States had refused to sign on to his pet G7 compact, which would have institutionalized the exact same kind of discriminatory treatment that American conservatives are fighting against here at home."

https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... censorship

Those of us who admire and support President Trump expected no less than that he would champion the American ideal of every citizen's right of free speech whether at home or abroad. Actually for decades the tech companies have been implementing their own policy of suppressing free speech as they ban and impose difficulties on all who oppose the leftist's Utopian dream of and onslaught for global socialist totalitarianism.

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Post by jackspratt » September 3, 2019, 5:58 pm

The Bloated Orange Bloviator's recent view on "free speech":

From 11 July 2019
“See, I don’t think that the mainstream media is free speech either because it’s so crooked. It’s so dishonest. So to me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad. To me, that’s very dangerous speech, and you become angry at it. But that’s not free speech.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-me ... 7d1e1a0592
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Post by Doodoo » September 3, 2019, 7:11 pm

"The National Council for the American Worker has developed a strategy for training and retraining workers across the US in all industries of need where skills are necessary for entry level and for advancement. The Council is comprised of leaders from public, private, academic, workforce, and non-profit sectors to enhance employment opportunities for ALL Americans of every employable age."
"Over 300 companies and organizations have signed the pledge and committed to the training and retraining of over 13 MILLION jobs over just the next five years."

What a load
So far say in 2018 2.6 Million jobs were seen, times the 5 years is 13,000,000 postions, so? Training/retraining is always needed on every job (This was talked about before and it appears someone is running out of subjects to talk about). This could be anything from "Hey Bob the deep frier is over there and the drink cups there" to " Please Major whatever you do, do not push the Red Button until you get a call from the Prez"
So I dont know what is new in this so called Strategy they are calling it. Does it really mean to get a bunch of so called people that just say Ya, ya, ya, thats a good idea, lets go with that.
Its a whitewash to the country to say look at what we just did where in reality NOTHING

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Post by TJ » September 3, 2019, 8:22 pm

jackspratt wrote:
September 3, 2019, 5:58 pm
The Bloated Orange Bloviator's recent view on "free speech":

From 11 July 2019
“See, I don’t think that the mainstream media is free speech either because it’s so crooked. It’s so dishonest. So to me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad. To me, that’s very dangerous speech, and you become angry at it. But that’s not free speech.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-me ... 7d1e1a0592
I disagree with President Trump. IMO the mainstream media's exercises in free speech,though indeed crooked and dishonest, are most useful for understanding the degree to which it is a malevolent and nihilistic leftist propaganda machine espousing Postmodern/Marxist ideology, supporting any and all leftist depredations upon American society and exposing their profession and themselves as the most vicious, corrupt and self-serving menaces ever to be inflicted upon the American public. The media's malicious and perfidious nature is open and obvious to all who see or hear them.

President Trump may have been hasty in his choice of words. Likely he misspoke due to a just resentment of the mainstream media's role in supporting and abetting the Deep State's efforts to undermine and overthrow the government under his administration.

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Post by Doodoo » September 3, 2019, 8:34 pm

TJ sorry pal

"President Trump may have been hasty in his choice of words. Likely he misspoke due to a just resentment of the mainstream media's role in supporting and abetting the Deep State's efforts to undermine and overthrow the government under his administration."

He is the Prez and he had better get it right no excuses but apparently he hasnt done too well from the start

According to the Washington Post
In 928 days, President Trump has made
12,019 false or misleading claims

He is an outright BSer, liar, and anyother word you can come up with.

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