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Post by thaiguzzi » September 3, 2019, 9:22 pm

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It seen US soldiers who serve for the country are second class citizen in the future. Thank you Mr. president.
Such drama. Clutch those pearls, Domat.

Even Democrat hopefuls for POTUS are spouting the same foolishness -- claiming Trump is taking away citizenship of children of overseas military.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. Apparently, you either didn't read your own source, or you suffer from the same affliction as the Head Cheerleader -- comprehension of your own source and/or weak vocabulary.

Or maybe you just love drama.

In the first four paragraphs it is clear that the citizenship is no longer automatic for a child of parents who are both not citizens. The application process can be completed at any time before the child's 18th birthday. They've got almost two decades to handle their business.

Where one parent is already a citizen, any offspring will be a citizen. Children from those marriages are exempt from this order. This has always been the case and continues to be in force.

In the 5th paragraph of YOUR source, the reason for the change is described as a legal one due to a conflict with EXISTING immigration law. In other words, this has always been the law. The order falls in line with that law. Trump's order is merely clarification.

I know you hate Trump BECAUSE TRUMP and want to GET TRUMP, but like most of the haters, you're letting your emotion get the best of you.

For the record, there should NOT be ANY automatic citizenship for an offspring of parents who are NOT citizens.
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Domat » September 3, 2019, 10:05 pm

@LS

Yes you can blame me for my weak vocabulary. I'm not native English speaking, but i understand what is written in the article.
But this gives you not the privilege to personally attack me.

The source of this is Reuters.

And yes i like drama.

I don't hate Trump he does not harm me, I like comedians but i think they should not run a country,

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Post by Lone Star » September 4, 2019, 4:59 am

Domat wrote:
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but i understand what is written in the article.
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You don't have a clue.

You thought you'd be cute and come in here with something to bash Trump. You assumed something -- I guess based on the headline -- but the article proved that what you thought was happening is NOT what is happening at all.

But you're entitled to your drama and your opinion.
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Post by TJ » September 4, 2019, 6:09 am

Doodoo wrote:
September 3, 2019, 8:34 pm
TJ sorry pal

"President Trump may have been hasty in his choice of words. Likely he misspoke due to a just resentment of the mainstream media's role in supporting and abetting the Deep State's efforts to undermine and overthrow the government under his administration."

He is the Prez and he had better get it right no excuses but apparently he hasnt done too well from the start

According to the Washington Post
In 928 days, President Trump has made
12,019 false or misleading claims

He is an outright BSer, liar, and anyother word you can come up with.
Your comment reminded me of this observation, "The public is not disinformed because they are ignorant, they are disinformed because they are taught to be, and what they hear is reinforced by a complicit media." Your interest in politics is commendable. Unfortunately you have gotten in with the wrong crowd and have abandoned reason and logic in order to assimilate their unrealistic and nihilistic ideology. Keep reading and searching for truth; it is there to be found.

By the way, here is the source of that observation: "Over the years, a few Progressives in the media have let slip a malicious and evil strategy that follows the famous Clintonesque "Ends justifies the Means." They talked about technology: using the volume controls to make political rivals shout and sound over-aggressive when being interviewed by dialing them down, and then giving their side the proper settings to talk over the other side and keep their voices sounding sweet and sane. They use focus groups and think tanks to develop clichés and catch phrases that resonate and help disinform the public. Once the terms get out there, it takes half an hour to break down the disinformation before they can be rebutted.

They used to be "Liberals" because the term sounded pretty good, and they didn't want any label that displayed their legacy of slavery, bigotry, and power hunger. They dropped "Liberal" when they attacked the Founding Fathers to lessen Bill Clinton's reprobate behavior and started adopting the Wilsonian "Progressives" name. Words mean things, and they have always used them destructively. I find it hard to see the KGB's strategy of making the USA be summed up by "Capitalism." The same thing goes for the use of "Democracy". The public is not disinformed because they are ignorant, they are disinformed because they are taught to be, and what they hear is reinforced by a complicit media."

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"Unfortunately you have gotten in with the wrong crowd and have abandoned reason and logic in order to assimilate their unrealistic and nihilistic ideology. Keep reading and searching for truth; it is there to be found."

Why, when I hear these words do I automatically think Charles Manson?

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Post by Lone Star » September 4, 2019, 6:25 am

There is nothing so salient as the words of someone from the inside, who has experienced tyranny directly.

Chen Guangcheng is a Chinese scholar and Nobel Peace Prize nominee. Chen was imprisoned by the Chinese Communists for fighting against their tyranny.

Chen supports and commends Trump's actions vs China and says that Trump -- NOT prior administrations -- sees the Chinese Communist threat clearly and is correct in using tariffs to stop them. Chen is critical of past presidents for thinking that talking and giving China their way would result in a liberal society in China.

Chen is not the only dissident to embrace Trump's actions vs China; but their support is not unconditional. Tang, Chen, Ge and Xia are just a handful of activists in Beijing who have publicly praised Trump. None of these Chinese dissidents expressed unconditional support for Trump, but they say that Trump is the first POTUS to understand how actions speak louder than words to the CCP.

Chen's op-ed appeared in The Washington Post.

(My emphasis added)

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CHEN GUANGCHENG: Trump has the right strategy on Beijing. As a Chinese dissident, I’d know.
September 1, 2019

As the world watches President Donald Trump wage a protracted trade war with China, many people are scratching their heads, wondering if he knows what he’s doing when it comes to my home country. Trump is regularly criticized for being unpredictable and erratic — praising Chinese President Xi Jinping one moment, then escalating the confrontation the next — for ignoring diplomatic conventions, and for upending a tense but supposedly workable economic relationship.

But as someone who has spent years with the knife edge of the Chinese Communist Party bearing down on my throat for my human rights work, I know that the president is on to something. Tariffs and economic threats may be blunt tools, but they are the kind of aggressive tactics necessary to get the attention of the CCP regime, which respects only power and money. It’s not just about “winning,” as the president sometimes puts it, and it’s not simply about trade: It’s about justice, and doing what’s right for ordinary Chinese and American people.

Presidents before Trump naively believed that China would abide by international standards of behavior if it were granted access to institutions like the World Trade Organization and generally treated as a “normal” country. But that path proved mistaken, and Beijing ignored Western pressure on matters from human rights to the widespread theft of intellectual property. Trump, whatever his flaws, grasps this reality.

Unlike many of his predecessors in the White House, Trump appears to understand innately the hooliganism and brutality at the heart of the CCP. He comprehends that whether in the realm of trade, diplomacy or international order, dictatorships do not commonly play by the rules of democratic nations. While past administrations have curried favor with the CCP (“appeasement” is not too strong a word), Trump has made excising the party’s growing corrosion of U.S. society — from business and the media to education and politics — a focus of his administration.

For decades, U.S. presidents have allowed themselves to be taken in by China. Think of Richard Nixon marveling at staged supermarkets and shoppers in Beijing, and paving the way for the severing of ties with the Republic of China (Taiwan) in favor of the communist regime. Or Bill Clinton, after talking tough, declining to make “most favored nation”status for China conditional on human rights reviews, effectively eliminating any leverage the United States had over China with respect to fair trade, not to mention rights. As China’s entrance into the World Trade Organization moved toward reality, in 2000, Clinton described it as “the most significant opportunity that we have had to create positive change in China since the 1970s.” He said there would be no downsides to freer trade: It was “the equivalent of a one-way street.”

Following the attacks of 9/11, George W. Bush turned a blind eye when Beijing used the U.S. war on terror as cover for persecuting ethnic minorities; Barack Obama repeatedly shied away from mentioning human rights to CCP officials, notably during a visit in 2009.

Trump is the first president in recent memory to seriously say to this communist dictatorship: If you want to keep doing business with us, you have to change.

I believe that his much-mocked tweet a week ago ordering U.S. companies to exit China was part of this strategy. Rather than a literal statement, it was a message to CCP officials, reminding them that they need the United States more than the United States needs them, and to consider the consequences of losing access to American businesses and influence.


Trump may be impolitic and unpredictable, but his actions speak louder than his tweets, and they go well beyond tariffs. To protect U.S. intellectual-property, business and national security interests, the president has stopped the sale of computer chips to CCP-controlled corporations like Huawei and ZTE, and he has banned the purchase of equipment from these same entities.

During his administration, the Justice Department has ordered that CCP-run media companies operating in the United States register as foreign agents. His is the first administration to subject Confucius Institutes at U.S. colleges and universities — which serve as the eyes and ears of the CCP — to intense scrutiny, leading to the closure of several.

rump is the first American president to take a call from a Taiwanese president since the United States cut off formal diplomatic ties with the island in 1979. He has placed sanctions on Chinese nationals, including a CCP official responsible for the death of a human rights activist and three people involved in trafficking fentanyl. He has met with persecuted people of a broad range of religious beliefs in the Oval Office, including Uighurs, Tibetans and Christians from independent Chinese “house churches.” He’s said that a deal on tariff depends on China working “humanely” with Hong Kong.

Some contend, with justification, that Trump has not made democracy and freedom central to his foreign policy. But where China is concerned, dissidents, both within China and in the diaspora, note and appreciate what he is doing. Most activists agree that civilized talks behind closed doors have never elicited concessions from the CCP. The only way to make progress is by landing pointed blows, particularly against the party elites and their bank accounts (which are reliant on party-owned, nepotistic, monopolist companies).

The CCP’s 70-year rule has been marked by extreme bloodshed, with more than 40 million Chinese killed in state-induced famines and political movements in the mid-20th century, roughly 10,000 slaughtered during the democracy movement of 1989 and innumerable lives lost under the one-child policy. Today, the party is as reliant on lies, violence, fear and corruption as ever: Coerced prison labor and land seizures are common, economic inequality is stark and countless citizens are routinely locked up for their beliefs, including Tibetans and Falun Gong members, human rights lawyers and activists — and the roughly 1 million Uighurs detained in camps.

Such practices reveal the character of the CCP, and they help put Trump’s approach into perspective. We have to be clear about our values. China is a deep-pocketed, rapacious regime that poses a significant threat not just to American interests but to the entire civilized world. Yet after decades of empty talk about nudging China toward reform, we’re at a point where it is American companies, news outlets and universities that feel pressured to play by Beijing’s rules or risk losing access to its markets and resources.

Trump, with an admittedly unorthodox style, is trying to break down the systems, and the concessions, that have allowed the CCP to operate unchecked for too long. He deserves credit, not criticism, for saying: Enough.

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Chen Guangcheng is a member of the faculty of the Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies at the Catholic University of America, and a distinguished senior fellow in human rights at the Witherspoon Institute.

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Chen accuses past administrations of appeasement of the Chinese Communists and only giving lip-service to the important issues at hand -- instead of acting. Chen says Trump is acting and doing what really hits home with the Chinese Communists.
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Post by jackspratt » September 4, 2019, 10:54 am

I reckon we can expect more of this, both in the US and around the world, while the Bloated Orange Bullshiiiter continues his crazy, one man war on China:
Market sentiment soured even further after the latest figures showed that US manufacturing activity fell to a three-and-a-half-year low.

The Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity dropped to 49.1, its lowest reading since February 2016. Any reading below 50 means signals a contraction.

The protracted US-China trade tensions weighed on business confidence, stoking fears of an upcoming recession.

"Sentiment was already poor to start the day and then the weaker-than-expected manufacturing data just added fuel to the fire," said Dave Mazza, managing director of asset management firm Direxion.

"We now have confirmation that the escalation in the trade war has spilled over to US manufacturing just as it has to manufacturing around the globe."

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Post by Lone Star » September 4, 2019, 3:55 pm

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The Pentagon announced that it has approved the diversion of military construction funds for the wall on the southern border. Over $3.5 billion has been freed up, with about half of the funds coming from overseas construction projects.

Any POTUS is fully authorized by specific statute as it applies to the military and national defense, and without approval by Congress, to divert funds to projects the POTUS deems necessary and a priority.

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Post by Doodoo » September 4, 2019, 4:25 pm

Now how does "You know Who" direct money from the Mexican Army coffers to build the Wall . Reason is that he (You should know by now who we are talking about) I am sure HE said that Mexico would pay for IT.

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Post by Domat » September 4, 2019, 7:50 pm

Lone Star » September 3, 2019, 10:59 pm
Domat wrote: ↑
September 3, 2019, 4:05 pm
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but i understand what is written in the article. 
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You don't have a clue. 

You thought you'd be cute and come in here with something to bash Trump. You assumed something -- I guess based on the headline -- but the article proved that what you thought was happening is NOT what is happening at all.

But you're entitled to your drama and your opinion.

OK in the future i will follow the advice of a wise man instead of wasting my time.

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Post by Lone Star » September 5, 2019, 5:35 am

Domat wrote:
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You wasted your time by spouting off crap that you didn't even comprehend. I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you how it is.
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Post by Lone Star » September 5, 2019, 6:01 am

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As I pointed out months ago, new and better jobs created in the Trump Economy would provide upward mobility for workers in lower-paying jobs; and those lower-paying jobs would be filled by entry-level workers.

That has come to pass.


Young employed workers in the US have received over 7% in pay increases since late 2017. This data is according to the Conference Board, which is a research center in Washington, DC.

While overall unemployment has hit a 50-year low, wages have gone up -- especially for young workers. This higher wage growth for young workers has occurred because they are more willing to switch jobs -- and even careers.

Wall Street Journal:
American workers under 35 report being happier with their paychecks than people over 55 for the first time since at least 2011, according to a new report from the Conference Board, a business-research organization that polls U.S. employees about workplace satisfaction.
Department of Labor statistics show that MEDIAN weekly wages rose 5% since the end of 2017, but workers between 25 and 34 showed a higher increase at over 7.5%. Those trends continue in 2019.

The workforce that regularly enters jobs in the US on an annual basis includes about 4 million young Americans, over 1 million LEGAL immigrants, about 1.5 million white collar visas, 1 million work permits for foreigners and about 500,000 blue-collar visas. And then there are the millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Without all of those foreigners entering the workforce every year, wages would be even higher.
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Post by Lone Star » September 5, 2019, 6:37 am

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Consumer spending and consumer optimism is what drives the US economy. Many economists attribute a full 2/3 level of importance to those two drivers. According to the Wall Street Journal, the American Consumer appears to be ignoring the GET TRUMP Recession drumbeat and keeps beating analyst expectations.

Stock market analysts are pessimistic about corporate earnings going forward, but the US consumer has money to spend and continues to buy.

China and Germany are experiencing horrible quarters in their industrial economies. Fears are that this will spread to the US due to the global slowdown.

While the current global slowdown is similar to 2015-16, it is far from the same so far in the US.

Three years of rising wages and rising employment numbers -- over 156 million Americans employed -- has provided stronger consumer spending. Household budgets also have more disposable income.

Even though the first six months showed declining earnings in materials, industrials and energy, it was offset by a growth in profits in consumer industries, health care and banks. Many don't realize that manufacturing is only 10% of the US economy.

Year-over-year, S&P earnings per share are up almost 20% compared to 2Q in 2018. This has occurred despite doom & gloom headlines about the world economy. Amazingly, trailing profits in the US have started outpacing profit forecasts by the most since 2011. The opposite was true in the global slowdown in 2015 and 2016.

Corporate profits have remained resilient due to consumer spending.

What will stop all this momentum will be a rise in unemployment and evaporation of household disposable income.

For all of the stated reasons, analysts aren't yet willing to predict a recession in the US.
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Post by Lone Star » September 5, 2019, 7:33 am

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Oh my. So it's true. If you don't buy imported products, the tariffs don't affect you.

Imported high tech products from the Chinese Communists DOWN 20%.

"America First" and "Buy American" is nudging business and households to look elsewhere for high tech.

Year-over-year, the Commerce Department reports that over $20 billion LESS has been imported from China,which includes computers,software, biotech and other electronics.

US consumers are adjusting their buying habits. Taiwan, Vietnam and Pakistan have picked up the slack. Tech imports have also picked up from the EU.

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Post by Doodoo » September 5, 2019, 8:46 am

"Imported high tech products from the Chinese Communists DOWN 20%"

SO?
The imports move to other countries No benefit to the consumer at all, in fact prices will increase for the consumer over the long run.

""America First" and "Buy American" is nudging business and households to look elsewhere for high tech.
Year-over-year, the Commerce Department reports that over $20 billion LESS has been imported from China, which includes computers, software, biotech and other electronics."

So where is the US consumer buying from as it is not "Buy American" or "America First". It maybe Taiwan, France , Vietnam (no Democracy here), Pakistan (which houses 9 different Terrorist groups and an Islamic State with Nukes or I should say 150 to 160 of them)

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Post by papafarang » September 5, 2019, 9:04 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 5, 2019, 7:33 am
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Oh my. So it's true. If you don't buy imported products, the tariffs don't affect you.

Imported high tech products from the Chinese Communists DOWN 20%.

"America First" and "Buy American" is nudging business and households to look elsewhere for high tech.

Year-over-year, the Commerce Department reports that over $20 billion LESS has been imported from China,which includes computers,software, biotech and other electronics.

US consumers are adjusting their buying habits. Taiwan, Vietnam and Pakistan have picked up the slack. Tech imports have also picked up from the EU.

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But I thought the idea was not to import ? Taiwan, Vietnam, Pakistan . I thought america already had trade deficits with these countries already .proof the whole trade war is just hot air
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