Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew

[tamada]

I think that the tapes and files that Epstein kept (a copy of which are currently in Russia) could tend to prove his guilt/innocence once and for all. Unfortunately for the general public and fortunate for Andy & Ghislaine they also contain incriminating evidence about dozens/hundreds of others who will cover for each other (even murder to stop the details coming out). Anyone who thinks it is 'normal" that Epsteins cellmate was removed the day before he committed "suicide" both guards failed to do THREE rounds of the cells, nobody watching CCTV in the security room questioned that they had not made their rounds, both guards mysteriously fell asleep at the same time, the CCTV camera concerned failed at exactly the time he committed "suicide", he had 3 broken bones in his neck, which an independent coroner said he had never found in ANY of the hanging suicides he had ever attended. Funnily enough the DNA tests done on the tied together pieces of sheet that was used have not been made public, nor have the DNA tests done on the substances (skin?) under Epsteins finger nails. BTW they have at least TWO witnesses who were present during Andy's party orgies and are willing to testify that he knowingly had sex with 14 year olds
I suppose that's what yer get when the masonic handshakes start to get banded about

You seem to have a lot of info that isn't in the public domain Statts perhaps you could enlighten us all to your source or do you have an , as yet unrevealed connection to all the debauchery that has apparently been tasking place?

There's a lot of unsubstantiated and speculative stuff that is in the public domain.

But I do like the Palace Ninja alternative fact.

[GT93]

On youtube Shaun Attwood is posting good videos about Prince Andrew just about every day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukVS_VrcFfA

[tamada]

The comedians are having a field day too



Kevin Bridges just 'trying out material for the Royal variety performance'...

[tamada]

So, on the west side of the Atlantic, we have Anne Sacoolas who is being uncooperative regarding her part in the death of a young English lad. Meanwhile, on this side of the pond, we have Prince Andrew being reported by the US authorities as being totally uncooperative with regard to their Epstein investigation.

Maybe they need Noel Edmonds to work on this horse trade?

[stattointhailand]

One things or sure Jims not gonna do any more royal fix its

[Khun Paul]

As I see it and to quote POTUS Quid Pro Quo, that woman comes back Prince Andrew will talk, The American is NOT above the law either . Put that in your pipe and smoke it Americans

[Kenr6583]

As I see it and to quote POTUS Quid Pro Quo, that woman comes back Prince Andrew will talk, The American is NOT above the law either . Put that in your pipe and smoke it Americans

Don't lump everyone in the same basket KP. Me personally, I do not believe that woman should have been able to claim diplomatic immunity under that situation.

[jackspratt]

As I see it and to quote POTUS Quid Pro Quo, that woman comes back Prince Andrew will talk, The American is NOT above the law either . Put that in your pipe and smoke it Americans

Don't lump everyone in the same basket KP. Me personally, I do not believe that woman should have been able to claim diplomatic immunity under that situation.

Particularly as her husband is not a diplomat. He is a technician in an eavesdropping spy ring.

[Kenr6583]

As I see it and to quote POTUS Quid Pro Quo, that woman comes back Prince Andrew will talk, The American is NOT above the law either . Put that in your pipe and smoke it Americans

Don't lump everyone in the same basket KP. Me personally, I do not believe that woman should have been able to claim diplomatic immunity under that situation.

Particularly as her husband is not a diplomat. He is a technician in an eavesdropping spy ring.

Exactly. He was never registered as a diplomat at the time of the accident.

[Khun Paul]

I agree and in any case in looking at the FACTS, not the hearsay evidence or even gut feeling.
The lady from the USA did commit an offence which if proven could serve a term of imprisonment. Prince Andrew, is purely a possible witness to Criminal offences, evidence could be obtained following an interview. However as yet NO LAW in the USA or even the UK can compel a witness or otherwise to speak to Law enforcement if they do not wish to. If HRH does not wish to speak , he will not , however the American woman can be arrested lawfully .

[Kenr6583]

I'm not sure how factual this is or not, but I read that given the fact that she left the UK and returned to her home country, she is no longer protected under diplomatic immunity and the parents of this victim can take civil action against her. I know it's not about the money for these parents, but if they could find a lawyer to work pro bono on this until something can be resolved, I would attempt to take her and her husband for everything they are worth, and then some.

[tamada]

Exactly. He was never registered as a diplomat at the time of the accident.

Citation needed. If it's a case that his assignment was quite recent and the application for diplomatic recognition hadn't been fully promulgated, that may be the stuff for lawyers to argue but I would think he (and his dependents) would be legally proven to have had diplomatic immunity as soon as they cleared UK immigration from air-side.

My understanding is that both the foreign spooks AND any dependents that moved here with them are covered by diplomatic immunity. However, after a review quite a while ago, the UK and US agreed that in the case of a locally punishable offense, which included serious driving offenses, being committed by the spook, ie.the principal in the case of a family assignment, then the immunity would be waived and the offender could be arrested and be answerable to the British judicial system. However, for some reason this conditioned waiver was never extended to the dependents, hence the lady in question had full diplomatic immunity and exercised her right to leave.

Instead of leaving via (say) Heathrow and a commercial flight, the US authorities chose to fly her out direct from the air base on a US military aircraft. In a similar way as to what point her diplomatic immunity precisely commenced on arrival in the UK, this was to ensure she could not be arrested air-side. Legally, after clearing UK immigration, her diplomatic protections would be non-existent. To avoid the possibility of a totally legal arrest by Northants police as she sat on the tarmac in a commercial jet, she left from a US base on a US military aircraft so that her diplomatic protections were in place all the way until the US aircraft left UK airspace.

Should have scrambled some Typhoons from Coningsby and shot the b!tch down.

[Khun Paul]

The whole matter is now rather pointless, She is there and certainly NOT returning, showing that the USA is thumbing its nose at the UK . He is not talking and no law can make him.

Conversation has ended !

[jackspratt]

So, on the west side of the Atlantic, we have Anne Sacoolas who is being uncooperative regarding her part in the death of a young English lad.

This report, if correct, may explain a lot about the sudden uplift of Mrs Sacoolas after her criminal act in the UK.

The UK government has declined to comment on reports that Anne Sacoolas, the US diplomat’s wife charged with causing the death of a British teenager in a road crash, could have received extra protection because she was a senior CIA officer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... harry-dunn

[stattointhailand]

Our Prince TRUMPS your cia officer

[tamada]

So, on the west side of the Atlantic, we have Anne Sacoolas who is being uncooperative regarding her part in the death of a young English lad.

This report, if correct, may explain a lot about the sudden uplift of Mrs Sacoolas after her criminal act in the UK.

The UK government has declined to comment on reports that Anne Sacoolas, the US diplomat’s wife charged with causing the death of a British teenager in a road crash, could have received extra protection because she was a senior CIA officer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... harry-dunn

I am not much into messenger shooting but that Guardian article relies heavily on the cutting-edge journalism of the Sunday Mail so even giving it red herring status would be being generous. More like old kipper maybe? The Daily Mail article (I will let you get your own link) suggests in true black hat drama style, "However, a security source told the Mail: ‘You never really leave the CIA'"

It doesn't matter if she was a bigger spook than her hubby, because she was classified as a dependent of her spook hubby who was on active duty, she had the protections of the nuanced diplomatic immunity as I pointed out earlier.

Reading the article I observe the following,

"Adam Wagner, one of the lawyers acting for the Dunn family, said the FCO needed “to answer whether it knew Sacoolas was CIA at the time of Harry’s death, and whether the US used her status as a family member to take advantage of the ‘anomaly’ whereby family members are said to have more immunity than diplomats at the base”. The Dunn lawyers dispute the existence of this claimed anomaly."

Once they stop listening to human rights lawyers who call these mutually agreed diplomatic protections an 'anomaly' and restrain themselves from this 'senior CIA operative possibly working deep cover' wild goose chase, they can focus on less straw clutching ways of getting justice done for Harry.

[GT93]

I read Prince Andrew has assembled a very expensive team of lawyers to keep him beyond the reach of the FBI. It's not acceptable that a rude little man such as Prince Andrew seems to be above the law.

Many people who have dealt with the Prince are very negative on him. In contrast it's easy to come across material where people are saying Prince Edward is a lovely chap.

[Khun Paul]

Please GT93, show me a LAW in the UK or for that matter the USA where an alleged possible witness can be MADE to talk about anything he/she may have seen or may have heard or even may know .
True you can arrest him for what ??
Neither the USA or the UK use TORTURE any more to make a CIVILIAN WITNESS talk where he/she does not wish to , this continue drip feed of hatred for a person albeit a Prince who refuses to talk is rather pointless, you personally may not like him or his actions, but he is entitled as we all are to commonsense and intelligent comment. He cannot reply to your statements , but as an Englishman I can and I find your comments distasteful his actions may well upset YOUR viewpoint of what he did or did not do as opposed to that woman in the US ( Anne Sacoolas ) who in my book ( considering how much time she had lived in the UK ) deliberately broke the law and caused the DEATH of an innocent Civilian. The two cannot be compared

[tamada]

^ Please stop defending the indefensible. HRH has already hired a legion of US attorneys specifically for that purpose. After that epic disaster of a television interview (you did see that didn't you?) even his mummy has told him to pull his head in a bit.

Anne Sacoolas did not deliberately break the law. She committed a moving traffic violation that resulted in the death of another person. That act itself was NOT willful and the diplomatic immunity she subsequently used to escape justice was 100% legal.

However, her morals, that have striking parallels with those of Prince Andrew, are what's ultimately 'on trial' here.

[GT93]

It's good to cross swords with you over here KP. I think Prince Andrew is more than a mere witness.

Given his longstanding association with Epstein, the credible allegations from the then Virginia Roberts and his simply appalling interview on the BBC, I think he should be a suspect in respect of sexual offences against minors. The FBI should try tracking down the East European girls that Epstein at times seemed to like. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the dimwit Prince has helped himself when they were too young for that to be lawful.

Maxwell's daughter may also at some stage sing an interesting tune to get a reduced sentence. I'm looking forward to that. That will be an appalling moment for the House of Windsor. We live in woke times.