dog poisoning
dog poisoning
i live in a small village not far from airport and upto recently had been very safe. about 3 months ago one of my dogs was poisoned .thought not too much of it at time as this dog used get out of house sometimes and has come back with neighbours chickens which it had killed . i thought they may have done this . however two days ago another dog was poisoned but this dog never leaves my land and i was told someone was seen near house gate possibly feeding dog so it seems to me maybe they are wanting to break into my place . without stating the obvious has anyone had similar experience and do they have any suggestions om what i can do to prevent this. iam not always in los as i work abroad but have concerns for my wifes safety
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Mendip,do you live in the village that your wife is from?I ask because,if not you may be facing retaliation for a perceived loss of face or the past deeds of your dog!
I know a man that didn't use any of the family or locals to built his house,and he has had to replace poisoned dogs several times a year for many years.
There is also the possibility that you are targeted because you are falang and relatively ''rich''!I would ask my wife to have relatives or friends stay with her and get a alert ''inside dog'' also.Police are usually no help as they usually only setup a ''phoney''patrol which is designed to collect money monthly(they might even poison the dog to initiate the service).Are their any other falangs nearby and are there dogs being poisoned?If not,I would consider the situation might be personal!
I know a man that didn't use any of the family or locals to built his house,and he has had to replace poisoned dogs several times a year for many years.
There is also the possibility that you are targeted because you are falang and relatively ''rich''!I would ask my wife to have relatives or friends stay with her and get a alert ''inside dog'' also.Police are usually no help as they usually only setup a ''phoney''patrol which is designed to collect money monthly(they might even poison the dog to initiate the service).Are their any other falangs nearby and are there dogs being poisoned?If not,I would consider the situation might be personal!
That statement is way over the top Stan - a bit more of your anti-Thai authority rhetoric I fear.BKKSTAN wrote:Police are usually no help as they usually only setup a ''phoney''patrol which is designed to collect money monthly(they might even poison the dog to initiate the service).
The so called "phoney" patrol: They do stop by daily - and they do sign a book showing that they were there.
That the police would poison a dog to initiate the service is pure and complete bull hockey. The police are not going to do that just to pick up an extra 500 Baht per month.
This is a more probable theory - and could have been easily stated without attacking the police without anything to substantiate your attack.BKKSTAN wrote:Are their any other falangs nearby and are there dogs being poisoned?If not,I would consider the situation might be personal!
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not sure we live in the country, where corruption is rampantThe police are not going to do that just to pick up an extra 500 Baht per month.
hmm, i will say udon police (traffic) seem to be fairly honest. can't comment on much else. now, bkk police, i wouldn't put nothing past them. honest and doing ones job is 2 different things. with traffic, they (udon) ticket the symtom and ignore the cause, thus, like shabbing construction workers, it's guaranteed income and job security.
''bull hockey''that they might??Your ''out to lunch''or maybe ''dribbling
in it'' if you think the police are above suspicion or not interesting in devious ways to make more money!
You might not like my criticism of the police in general,that is to damn bad!They are corrupt to the core and you know it!Signing a piece of paper in a box is not providing security!You might think it is ,but I damn sure don't!I have had this ''service'' and it's amazing how they can get down my deadend street,sign the the paper in the box without being seen,but are very visible on collection day!Makes me wonder if the sign the paper all at one time and bring to the lockbox on collection day
The next thing you are probably going to disagree with is this fact:THE POLICE DO NOT PROTECT AND SERVE the public in general!!They damn sure don't protect and serve falangs!!
Isn't it great to see the new shiney police cars escorting busloads of tourists to the Ta sadet market and to the Temples.To see them leisurely show up or not showup for traffic control in the mornings!Little two man ''money stops''on the highways!Monthly ticket writing splurges to collect their share of the revenue while ignoring infractions at their convenience.
in it'' if you think the police are above suspicion or not interesting in devious ways to make more money!
You might not like my criticism of the police in general,that is to damn bad!They are corrupt to the core and you know it!Signing a piece of paper in a box is not providing security!You might think it is ,but I damn sure don't!I have had this ''service'' and it's amazing how they can get down my deadend street,sign the the paper in the box without being seen,but are very visible on collection day!Makes me wonder if the sign the paper all at one time and bring to the lockbox on collection day
The next thing you are probably going to disagree with is this fact:THE POLICE DO NOT PROTECT AND SERVE the public in general!!They damn sure don't protect and serve falangs!!
Isn't it great to see the new shiney police cars escorting busloads of tourists to the Ta sadet market and to the Temples.To see them leisurely show up or not showup for traffic control in the mornings!Little two man ''money stops''on the highways!Monthly ticket writing splurges to collect their share of the revenue while ignoring infractions at their convenience.
Maybe they should come round my estate and poison all the dogs so I can get a good nights sleep! When the dogs start their karaoke lessions at 4am,howling, I wish I could give them some razorblades to play with,probably howl in pain for even longer 
Is it true that dog is a delicacy in sakhon nawon and restaurants pay up to 200 baht a dog.Where is the nearest dogmobile,would pay them with mangoes,still have stack to eat
Is it true that dog is a delicacy in sakhon nawon and restaurants pay up to 200 baht a dog.Where is the nearest dogmobile,would pay them with mangoes,still have stack to eat
Yes, there is corruption - it happens all the time here in Thailand. However, there typically has to be a cause of action by one person to initiate the corruption. In other words - someone has to be doing something wrong before the corruption can be instituted.
The Udon police do seem to be fairly honest - as are the tourist police. I have spent a lot of time with both agencies. One thing that I have noted is that they do treat falangs much better than they do Thais. In short, they often go out of their way to avoid doing anything that might offend a falang.
For example: A local falang was recently temporarily arrested for drunk driving. He did the breathalyzer test and was approximately 3 times over the legal limit. The police decided to give him a one time warning and not prosecute him or put him in the monkey house - despite the fact that he was argumentative and abusive in the initial stages of the arrest. And no - no money passed hands.
We can ask: Why that course of action? The answer could be as simple as the fact that had he been arrested and prosecuted, Immigration would have to be notified, and it would then be up to them as to whether his visa would be renewed or he would be deported.
True, they do ticket the symptom and ignore the cause. The causes are most often caused by decades of non-enforcement of laws. Take the helmet laws. It took awhile - but now the majority are wearing helmets. Red light laws? A major problem - hence around Song Kran we saw a minor education program taking place with Uni students out stopping traffic as soon as the lights changed. It is difficult to change decades of poor behavior.
And no - to me it is improbable that the police would go out an poison a dog just to pick up a patrol fee. If they were doing that type of thing - there would be wholesale poisoning of dogs - which there does not appear to be.
Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off.
The Udon police do seem to be fairly honest - as are the tourist police. I have spent a lot of time with both agencies. One thing that I have noted is that they do treat falangs much better than they do Thais. In short, they often go out of their way to avoid doing anything that might offend a falang.
For example: A local falang was recently temporarily arrested for drunk driving. He did the breathalyzer test and was approximately 3 times over the legal limit. The police decided to give him a one time warning and not prosecute him or put him in the monkey house - despite the fact that he was argumentative and abusive in the initial stages of the arrest. And no - no money passed hands.
We can ask: Why that course of action? The answer could be as simple as the fact that had he been arrested and prosecuted, Immigration would have to be notified, and it would then be up to them as to whether his visa would be renewed or he would be deported.
True, they do ticket the symptom and ignore the cause. The causes are most often caused by decades of non-enforcement of laws. Take the helmet laws. It took awhile - but now the majority are wearing helmets. Red light laws? A major problem - hence around Song Kran we saw a minor education program taking place with Uni students out stopping traffic as soon as the lights changed. It is difficult to change decades of poor behavior.
And no - to me it is improbable that the police would go out an poison a dog just to pick up a patrol fee. If they were doing that type of thing - there would be wholesale poisoning of dogs - which there does not appear to be.
Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off.
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doc wrote:''Yes, there is corruption - it happens all the time here in Thailand. However, there typically has to be a cause of action by one person to initiate the corruption. In other words - someone has to be doing something wrong before the corruption can be instituted.''
C'mon doc,you can't think of a situation where corruption happens without an illegal offense done?
I would venture to guess that the Udon police or any Thai police don't mistreat falangs with falang Tourist Police as witnesses!
You might consider not prosecuting a drunk driver is ''protect and serve'',I don't!It was all about ''convenience''!
I saw the meni-ed program in effect!4-5 students standing around ,by cones,in the middle of the street with NO ploicemen there to instruct!More helmuts being worn at certain hours of ''known ticketing times'' and ignored at most other times,especially evenings.More ''bull hockey''!
doc wrote:''Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off.'' Very Happy
Seems kind of hypocritical to stand in such defense of the police,when you infer that they would retaliate upon anyone that criticizes them by poisoning ones pet!Next thing you would probably say is ,just like every other country,right??
C'mon doc,you can't think of a situation where corruption happens without an illegal offense done?
I would venture to guess that the Udon police or any Thai police don't mistreat falangs with falang Tourist Police as witnesses!
You might consider not prosecuting a drunk driver is ''protect and serve'',I don't!It was all about ''convenience''!
I saw the meni-ed program in effect!4-5 students standing around ,by cones,in the middle of the street with NO ploicemen there to instruct!More helmuts being worn at certain hours of ''known ticketing times'' and ignored at most other times,especially evenings.More ''bull hockey''!
doc wrote:''Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off.'' Very Happy
Seems kind of hypocritical to stand in such defense of the police,when you infer that they would retaliate upon anyone that criticizes them by poisoning ones pet!Next thing you would probably say is ,just like every other country,right??
BKKSTAN wrote:
I saw the meni-ed program in effect!4-5 students standing around ,by cones,in the middle of the street with NO ploicemen there to instruct!More helmuts being worn at certain hours of ''known ticketing times'' and ignored at most other times,especially evenings.More ''bull hockey''
Seems kind of hypocritical to stand in such defense of the police,when you infer that they would retaliate upon anyone that criticizes them by poisoning ones pet!Next thing you would probably say is ,just like every other country,right??
I understood this programme was an initiative set up for a number of reasons
a/ to pay them 200 baht a day when schools are on holiday and to keep them off the streets getting up to mischief
b/to keep traffic from light jumping and to then show at a later stage how much in percentage terms that accidents had fallen in the given trial period
c/getting them in return to clean and paint their given areas with the red and white or black and white markings on the pavements to help prevent illegal parking and future traffic problems.
On your point about the 500 baht a month payment to police,bars/restaurants pay this to get the police to treat any problem at their business higher than other crimes being committed at roughly the same time.Tongs bar has to pay substantial monies.Presumably paying this fee on a personal basis re your home covers the fact that if you are burgled then your burglary will be treated as a priority
Best of all situations is to have a policemen within your other half's family or friends.
That is the point Stan. Someone has to do something wrong - and be willing to pay enough money to get someone to turn their eye away from it. The only difference here is that the cost is much cheaper than it would be back in the States. Corruption happens every place - all the time. It is just the cost that makes the difference.BKKSTAN wrote:C'mon doc,you can't think of a situation where corruption happens without an illegal offense done?
Another totally baseless statement from "Stan's Logic Barn". You have absolutely no idea of what the relationship is between the falang Tourist Police and the two police departments. You have absolutely no idea of how the police actually do work and do things.BKKSTAN wrote:I would venture to guess that the Udon police or any Thai police don't mistreat falangs with falang Tourist Police as witnesses!
The example was given only to demonstrate that corruption is not as rampant as you seem to believe that it is. There was no effort to discuss whether I believe that it was a jurisprudent decision. You are not trying to confuse the issue.BKKSTAN wrote:You might consider not prosecuting a drunk driver is ''protect and serve'',I don't!It was all about ''convenience''!
It is human nature to try to get away with things that one can get away with. The students did receive instructions prior to being sent out - and went through a one day training program. They were supervised by the police on a regular basis - though not a constant basis. The point that was being made is that the police - and ultimately society - have a difficult time changing behavior that has been ingrained in the Thai psychic for decades. And that is no "bull hockey." You as a presumed mental health practicioner know that theory very well.BKKSTAN wrote:I saw the meni-ed program in effect!4-5 students standing around ,by cones,in the middle of the street with NO ploicemen there to instruct!More helmuts being worn at certain hours of ''known ticketing times'' and ignored at most other times,especially evenings.More ''bull hockey''!
Initially - the original statement was: "Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off." An assumption is a far cry from providing any actual proof that something was done.BKKSTAN wrote:doc wrote:''Now, should someone that espouses continual and regular anti-police statements every chance that he can find his dog poisoned then one could rationally assume that the police may have been behind that act. However, that act wouldn't have been committed to pick up a patrol fee - it would have been done in retaliation - hence by someone that was pi$$ed off.'' Very Happy
Seems kind of hypocritical to stand in such defense of the police,when you infer that they would retaliate upon anyone that criticizes them by poisoning ones pet!Next thing you would probably say is ,just like every other country,right??
No hypocritical statement made at all Stan. It was a very simplified example that "actions can breed reactions." If someone antagonizes - or is presumed to antagonize someone - and if something bad happens to that person - then the statement can be made that it is "karma." Perhaps when responding to you I need to practice writing in simpler terms and give you black and white examples so that you can grasp them fully.
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I see,it was an''assumption'' not and inference!And you see my criticisms as ''antagonizing the police''!Therefore I will should be open to some ''karmic''reaction which ,of course would justify,in your mind a retaliation by police officers!
Brilliant,doc!
If you are so concerned that I don't understand you or that I misunderstand you,don't concern yourself!Just think of it as an opportunity to spew your ego!Or better than that,don't waste your time responding to me!
Your very happy's confuse me!But thats OK because I take what you say as a ''big joke''anyway! 
I almost fell out of the chair when you inferred that I was only concerned about me and your defense of extortion as not be corruption!I state my opinions and some facts from my experiences!You ,as you once told me in a PM,don't find it necessary to qualify things as opinion only and will not ever change that!So therefore you leave yourself in the expert category about everything whether your ''experiences''or not!And you don't qualify in my book!
Brilliant,doc!
If you are so concerned that I don't understand you or that I misunderstand you,don't concern yourself!Just think of it as an opportunity to spew your ego!Or better than that,don't waste your time responding to me!
Your very happy's
confuse me!But thats OK because I take what you say as a ''big joke''anyway! I almost fell out of the chair when you inferred that I was only concerned about me and your defense of extortion as not be corruption!I state my opinions and some facts from my experiences!You ,as you once told me in a PM,don't find it necessary to qualify things as opinion only and will not ever change that!So therefore you leave yourself in the expert category about everything whether your ''experiences''or not!And you don't qualify in my book!
More logic from "Stan's Logic Barn" - which means that once again you are grasping at straws trying to defend an illogical point. Nice try Stan. Not brilliant - but nice anyway. =D>BKKSTAN wrote:I see,it was an''assumption'' not and inference!And you see my criticisms as ''antagonizing the police''!Therefore I will should be open to some ''karmic''reaction which ,of course would justify,in your mind a retaliation by police officers!
Someone has to keep you in check Stan.BKKSTAN wrote:If you are so concerned that I don't understand you or that I misunderstand you,don't concern yourself!Just think of it as an opportunity to spew your ego!Or better than that,don't waste your time responding to me!
Don't recollect using the word "extortion" at all Stan. Once again you seem to be reading something that wasn't written. I don't defend corruption - I merely point out that it is a way of life no matter what country you are in. No need to continually criticize the Thais for it - especially if you are not involved in the corruption.BKKSTAN wrote:I almost fell out of the chair when you inferred that I was only concerned about me and your defense of extortion as not be corruption!
You state opinions without that disclaimer that they are opinions. As for facts - you have yet to post anything that I have seen where you have been the victim of police corruption or official corruption. Bear in mind before you start posting those examples - that if you did pay someone to do something that was technically their responsibility to do without extra payment - then you are guilty of participating in the corruption program.BKKSTAN wrote:I state my opinions and some facts from my experiences!
Most likely - rather than give examples - you will simply post that you don't have to prove anything to me.
BKKSTAN wrote:So therefore you leave yourself in the expert category about everything whether your ''experiences''or not!And you don't qualify in my book!
Obviously you don't qualify in my book either Stan. That's why I know how to push your buttons.
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A funny story but true!! When I was A kid growing up in Melbourne we used to go to Luna Park [ a permanent fun fair ] and in the afternoon we would go across the road to a Chinese Resteraunt and buy a dozen or two Dim Sims [Pork mince in a moist pastry fried or steamed] and they were the best Dimmo's you ever had. A couple of years later the Cops busted the place and out the back they found more than two thousand Cat skins they said had been used to make Dim Sims from. Even now as an Animal lover when I see a Cat my mouth starts to water I guess it depends on how you were brought up
I guess it depends on how you were brought up 