The source of the coronvirus??

[Khun Paul]

What is plain is that the Americans or to put it more succinctly POTUS needs to blame someone and China is in his sights, like WMD, the story will be made to fit the need. .

[Whistler]

This is different Paul, the US did not pay China to build up a slew full of viruses, whereas they gave Saddam bucket loads of money to buy weapons when they were fighting Iran.

Just like Afghanistan, they armed the Taliban then went on to fight them.

Brilliant foreign affairs strategies.

So now they pick a fight with China that they have no chance of winning, but POTUS can say, 'nothing happening here, hey, look over there'

[jackspratt]

Despite the bleatings of the Orange Geppetto in the White House, and his puppet Pinocchio Pompeo, Nature, probably the world's most credible scientific journal, is saying this:

The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

So it will be interesting to see what unfolds when Trump (and his braying mob, widely distributed) try to pin this on a laboratory created virus.

[glalt]

I do believe that this virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory. I don't believe that it was done on purpose. It was an unfortunate accident. It may even have been funded by the US. Look at it anyways you want but it happened. Hopefully they have learned how serious this thing has developed and will be more careful in the future. You cannot turn back the clock.

[Whistler]

Jack,

It suits the mentality of those that want to believe, evidence does not sway entrenched beliefs. In 10, 20 or 50 years time, without a single shred of evidence they will still believe it came from a Chinese lab.

The CIA and every other spy organisation that searches for one scintilla of evidence that it came from the lab, but true believers will go with their gut and ignore every piece of expert investigation and will be determined to hold onto their unfounded beliefs.

[jai yen yen]

Look at the facts, China reacted very strongly in trying to hide this virus initially by silencing doctors trying to warn people. They again acted very strongly in their massive lockdown and isolating millions to try to contain it and hurting themselves economically in the process which they hate to do. Something that has never been done before. It is all about profit and power at any cost for China and no it is not the same as capatilism in the west. In the west we do have consideration for humanity and quality of life and the environment maybe not as much as some would like but we do. China has withheld information on this virus from the beginning and still will not allow international investigators to go there and figure out what happened. If they had nothing to hide why would they do that? Would they not want to prove it came from a market accidentally? Why would they not want a world effort to find the exact cause and cure for this problem which is now a world problem and has caused so many deaths and economic hardship. One more thing, if it did come from a wet market as they claim why then have they not shut down all the wet markets dealing in these wild animals that supposedly caused the problem. China is bad news in many ways and this is just another example.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

The eight varieties of pangolins are denouncing these reports that the Wuhan Flu began in a lab as totally false. So long as the pangolin is seen as the source of the virus, the trade in pangolins for its scales (used in traditional Chinese medicine), and meat has declined rapidly. This provides an opportunity for these guys to live a more comfortable and sedate life and maybe, just maybe, get off the endangered list.

[saint]

Look at the facts, China reacted very strongly in trying to hide this virus initially by silencing doctors trying to warn people. They again acted very strongly in their massive lockdown and isolating millions to try to contain it and hurting themselves economically in the process which they hate to do. Something that has never been done before. It is all about profit and power at any cost for China and no it is not the same as capatilism in the west. In the west we do have consideration for humanity and quality of life and the environment maybe not as much as some would like but we do. China has withheld information on this virus from the beginning and still will not allow international investigators to go there and figure out what happened. If they had nothing to hide why would they do that? Would they not want to prove it came from a market accidentally? Why would they not want a world effort to find the exact cause and cure for this problem which is now a world problem and has caused so many deaths and economic hardship. One more thing, if it did come from a wet market as they claim why then have they not shut down all the wet markets dealing in these wild animals that supposedly caused the problem. China is bad news in many ways and this is just another example.

I cant argue with any of that . Excellent analysis of the situation .

[saint]

The eight varieties of pangolins are denouncing these reports that the Wuhan Flu began in a lab as totally false. So long as the pangolin is seen as the source of the virus, the trade in pangolins for its scales (used in traditional Chinese medicine), and meat has declined rapidly. This provides an opportunity for these guys to live a more comfortable and sedate life and maybe, just maybe, get off the endangered list.

We live in hope uncle . we live in hope . Unfortunately these adhering creatures only defence mechanism to roll up into a ball when under threat , makes them easy pickings for the poachers .
If the Chinese government had one ounce of humanity they would ban all imports of any endangered wildlife .
Same goes for Thailand , as a hell of a lot of these smuggled creatures are transited through Thailand .

[Doodoo]

Jai
You asked why didnt China shutdown the Wet Markets in China, where as the question is why hasnt the World Governments shutdown Wet Markets, everywhere

Wet market: A live animal market, a common sight in many areas of the world and a source of influenza viruses and other infectious disease agents for human beings. SARS outbreaks have been traced to wet markets in southern China.
Definition of a Wet Market

"Wet markets sell live poultry, fish, reptiles, and mammals of every kind. Animals may stay from days to weeks. Daily introduction of new animals provides optimum conditions for the development of disease agents such as influenza. Add the daily human contacts (including children) with the live animals, and conditions are optimal for the transfer and evolution of infectious disease agents." Canada, USA, Mexico, UK, etc

[vincemunday]

I’m not ordinarily a conspiracy theorist but the things that are really troubling me is why the Chinese government went to such great lengths to hide the facts, they knew how virulent the virus was, told no one and what’s worse actually allowed people to travel to other countries but strangely not to other big cities in China. Until these questions are answered I can’t see the Chinese ever being trusted again.

The source could be man made, it might be from the wet markets but why didn’t they let us know?

[Khun Paul]

In all honesty does it really matter, Tens of thousands have died and probably a lot more , millions infected and we are all worrying about how and when and where . Truthfully after it has died down, then is the time to investi9gate, examine and come to a SANE sensible answer or to put it another way , a reason that is generally accepted worldwide.

What is far more important it to stop a resurgence of the Virus in all walks of life and to hopefully develop a Vaccine , which is being undertaken by many , many countries in co-operation with each other, but NOT it seems with the co-operation of the America or China .

China will not work with America and vice versa, hardly surprising , China prefers the pragmatic way of solving problems America just accuses and then attempts to justify their accusations with stories NOT shared with anyone else. Sort of attempting to re-write history again.

SO all conspiracy theorists fill your boots, but saving life is a damn sight more important than trying to find out HOW, and WHEN and Where.

[tamada]

Despite the bleatings of the Orange Geppetto in the White House, and his puppet Pinocchio Pompeo, Nature, probably the world's most credible scientific journal, is saying this:

The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

So it will be interesting to see what unfolds when Trump (and his braying mob, widely distributed) try to pin this on a laboratory created virus.

So reading this again...

"Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

So, as far as the esteemed journal Nature is concerned, the jury is still out.

[vincemunday]

Everyone and their dog are covering their bums, the only way we will ever find out is if the Chinese admit to whatever and that ain’t going to happen in our lifetime.

[saint]

I’m not ordinarily a conspiracy theorist but the things that are really troubling me is why the Chinese government went to such great lengths to hide the facts, they knew how virulent the virus was, told no one and what’s worse actually allowed people to travel to other countries but strangely not to other big cities in China. Until these questions are answered I can’t see the Chinese ever being trusted again.

The source could be man made, it might be from the wet markets but why didn’t they let us know?

Again totally agree . Im not a conspiracy theorist either , but one does have to wonder why they tried so desperately to keep it hidden , knew how dangerous it was yet sat back and were quite happy to watch it spread outside of their borders.
It does smell a little of utter contempt for the rest of the world , which does bring into question was it a deliberate act or just total incompitence on their part . Which is not very Chinese .

[Udon Map]

I don't see it as incompetence. If there's one thing the Chinese are not when it comes to science, it's incompetent. Don't forget that saving/losing face is ingrained in many cultures on this side of the world. That may have played some part in it.

[Drunk Monkey]

Whatever the reason it was shamefully lied about and covered up ..simple as that

Boycott Chinese goods , impose strict sanctions , Ban the colour RED and deep fried sweet n sour pork balls , deport all Chinese nationals living outside China back there.

if all else fails .. NUKE EM

[rick]

Apparently France had a case back in 2019, on December 27th. They just found out as they were checking pneumonia swabs from December. The patient had not traveled or had contact with any Chinese person. so transmission was already happening in France in December. As no tests then existed, makes you wonder how many other countries already had transmission occurring back then.

[jackspratt]

Apparently France had a case back in 2019, on December 27th. They just found out as they were checking pneumonia swabs from December. The patient had not traveled or had contact with any Chinese person. so transmission was already happening in France in December. As no tests then existed, makes you wonder how many other countries already had transmission occurring back then.

Link?

[jackspratt]

Whatever the reason it was shamefully lied about and covered up ..simple as that

Boycott Chinese goods , impose strict sanctions , Ban the colour RED and deep fried sweet n sour pork balls , deport all Chinese nationals living outside China back there.

if all else fails .. NUKE EM

I guess you are not the local agent for Tsing Tao then?