Miscellaneous COVID-19/Corona Virus Discussion, Questions, etc.

[Khun Paul]

Again the MIS-INFORMATION is spreading like everything else , by people who deem it is their task in life to rubbish everything else just because hiding behind a keyboard is the easy thing to do .
True to dispel any more rumour mongering by the so-called educate, there have been deaths but assI said previously ( I even wrote it in English ) just deaths SOLELY attributed to the VACCINE is low , minute in fact considering the enormous numbers of people vaccinated .
As with many statistics etc, they do not actually tell the truth or rather those touting information forget to include all the stats.
I raised this personally myself and numbers affected are no more than any other vaccination, but we do not worry about those vaccinations, Small Pox, Cholera, Measles, Whooping Cough or any of those we know abpout or even when you potter off to far fetched countries and need specific vaccinations to remain healthy.
BUT COVID ...God forbid people are affected and possibly DIE. Wake up you lot and smell the roses, think, for those that have a logical brain and for those that do not . Grin and bear it.

Going back to the OP, I do see more and more locals abiding by the Mask Wearing rules , and that is good to see.

[Declan MacPherson]

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1,200 deaths is actually a tad low. In actuality, it is 1,223 deaths.

The Public Health and Medical Professionals For Transparency Documents sued the FDA for the release of Pfizer’s documents concerning adverse events from their Covid vaccine. At the time, Pfizer was fighting to have their data sealed and concealed for 55 years. A judge ordered the document released.

The Public Health and Medical Professionals For Transparency Documents wrote on their website:
”Four days after the Pfizer vaccine was approved for ages 16+, we submitted a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file. We have now sued the FDA for not releasing the data. Click below for court documents and for productions of Pfizer’s documents from the FDA.”

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... rience.pdf
5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021

No need to not believe or to mock those who do not want the experimental jabs. The data is from Pfizer. Over 30 pages. Happy reading.

Here is the list of adverse events. It is LONG. There were over 150,000 adverse events.

Summary:
Thrombotic events
Cardiac events
Hemorages including brain hemorages
Seizures
Fetal deaths
Spontaneous abortion

Details:
1p36 deletion syndrome;2-Hydroxyglutaric aciduria;5’nucleotidase increased;Acoustic neuritis;Acquired C1 inhibitor deficiency;Acquired epidermolysis bullosa;Acquired epileptic aphasia;Acute cutaneous lupus erythematosus;Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis;Acute encephalitis with refractory, repetitive partial seizures;Acute febrile neutrophilic dermatosis;Acute flaccid myelitis;Acute haemorrhagic leukoencephalitis;Acute haemorrhagic oedema of infancy;Acute kidney injury;Acute macular outer retinopathy;Acute motor axonal neuropathy;Acute motor-sensory axonal neuropathy;Acute myocardial infarction;Acute respiratory distress syndrome; [note: that sounds like “Covid 19.”] Acute respiratory failure;Addison’s disease;Administration site thrombosis;Administration site vasculitis;Adrenal thrombosis;Adverse event following immunisation;Ageusia;Agranulocytosis;Air embolism;Alanine aminotransferase abnormal;Alanine aminotransferase increased;Alcoholic seizure;Allergic bronchopulmonary mycosis;Allergic oedema;Alloimmune hepatitis;Alopecia areata;Alpers disease;Alveolar proteinosis;Ammonia abnormal;Ammonia increased;Amniotic cavity infection;Amygdalohippocampectomy;Amyloid arthropathy;Amyloidosis;Amyloidosis senile;Anaphylactic reaction;Anaphylactic shock;Anaphylactic transfusion reaction;Anaphylactoid reaction;Anaphylactoid shock;Anaphylactoid syndrome of pregnancy;Angioedema;Angiopathic neuropathy;Ankylosing spondylitis;Anosmia;Antiacetylcholine receptor antibody positive;Anti-actin antibody positive;Anti-aquaporin-4 antibody positive;Anti-basal ganglia antibody positive;Anti-cyclic citrullinated peptide antibody positive;Anti-epithelial antibody positive;Anti-erythrocyte antibody positive;Anti-exosome complex antibody positive;Anti- GAD antibody negative;Anti-GAD antibody positive;Anti-ganglioside antibody positive;Antigliadin antibody positive;Anti-glomerular basement membrane antibody positive;Anti-glomerular basement membrane disease;Anti-glycyl-tRNA synthetase antibody positive;Anti-HLA antibody test positive;Anti-IA2 antibody positive;Anti-insulin antibody increased;Anti-insulin antibody positive;Anti-insulin receptor antibody increased;Anti- insulin receptor antibody positive;Anti-interferon antibody negative;Anti-interferon antibody positive;Anti-islet cell antibody positive;Antimitochondrial antibody positive;Anti-muscle specific kinase antibody positive;Anti-myelin-associated glycoprotein antibodies positive;Anti-myelin-associated glycoprotein associated polyneuropathy;Antimyocardial antibody positive;Anti-neuronal antibody positive;Antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody increased;Antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody positive;Anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic antibody positive vasculitis;Anti-NMDA antibody positive;Antinuclear antibody increased;Antinuclear antibody positive;Antiphospholipid antibodies positive;Antiphospholipid syndrome;Anti-platelet antibody positive;Anti-prothrombin antibody positive;Antiribosomal P antibody positive;Anti-RNA polymerase III antibody positive;Anti-saccharomyces cerevisiae antibody test positive;Anti-sperm antibody positive;Anti-SRP antibody positive;Antisynthetase syndrome;Anti-thyroid antibody positive;Anti-transglutaminase antibody increased;Anti-VGCC antibody positive;Anti- VGKC antibody positive;Anti-vimentin antibody positive;Antiviral prophylaxis;Antiviral treatment;Anti-zinc transporter 8 antibody positive;Aortic embolus;Aortic thrombosis;Aortitis;Aplasia pure red cell;Aplastic anaemia;Application site thrombosis;Application site vasculitis;Arrhythmia;Arterial bypass occlusion;Arterial bypass thrombosis;Arterial thrombosis;Arteriovenous fistula thrombosis;Arteriovenous graft site stenosis;Arteriovenous graft thrombosis;Arteritis;Arteritis

You will probably never see this covered by the Leftist media.

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[Teacher Dan]

Again the MIS-INFORMATION is spreading like everything else , by people who deem it is their task in life to rubbish everything else just because hiding behind a keyboard is the easy thing to do .
True to dispel any more rumour mongering by the so-called educate, there have been deaths but assI said previously ( I even wrote it in English ) just deaths SOLELY attributed to the VACCINE is low , minute in fact considering the enormous numbers of people vaccinated .
As with many statistics etc, they do not actually tell the truth or rather those touting information forget to include all the stats.
I raised this personally myself and numbers affected are no more than any other vaccination, but we do not worry about those vaccinations, Small Pox, Cholera, Measles, Whooping Cough or any of those we know abpout or even when you potter off to far fetched countries and need specific vaccinations to remain healthy.
BUT COVID ...God forbid people are affected and possibly DIE. Wake up you lot and smell the roses, think, for those that have a logical brain and for those that do not . Grin and bear it.

Going back to the OP, I do see more and more locals abiding by the Mask Wearing rules , and that is good to see.

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about but facts matter and the FACT is that Pfizer acknowledged 1223 deaths AND VAERS lists over 12000. We know the real number is likely higher in VAERS from historical evidence regarding any other vaccine. Some people just think they are too smart for their own good--I think there's a mental illness relating to that, what do that call it....not senility, though you might be that now too, but...oh yeah, the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[Teacher Dan]

True where they are hiding the numbers it will be sketchy but we know that Pfizer acknowledges 1200 deaths because they released it in the FOIA request ......

That seems rather high.

Perhaps you could supply a credible link for those of us who are sceptical.

Declan provided the link and you should thank him as I won't. You never learn anything by having people tell you or spoonfeeding you information, you learn by finding it or doing it yourself as any teacher knows, so I don't spoonfeed people. IF you truly have an open mind with critical thinking skills, you will look for it yourself, if not you're not worth my time anyways.

[Teacher Dan]

True where they are hiding the numbers it will be sketchy but we know that Pfizer acknowledges 1200 deaths because they released it in the FOIA request ......

That seems rather high.

Perhaps you could supply a credible link for those of us who are sceptical.

Don't agree with you very often Jack but seriously glad someone is calling out the doom merchants. Even if their figures are correct (which I doubt) what is the percentage of adverse reactions compared to the number of inoculations that have been administered by Pfizer's product.

Well my figures ARE correct and that is ONLY what Pfizer acknowledges, VAERS shows over 12000 and historically VAERS has always lowballed the actual numbers because not everyone submits their death or side-effect to VAERS, in fact the majority of people do NOT. And while no vaccine is perfect without adverse effects or deaths, it is worth noting that VAERS lists ONLY 438 deaths from the Swine Flu vaccine and it was removed from the market because of them so any thinking person with actual critical thinking skills would at the very least wonder how a vaccine with 30-times that many deaths was approved by the FDA? But I know most leftists don't have critical thinking....

[Laan Yaa Mo]

True where they are hiding the numbers it will be sketchy but we know that Pfizer acknowledges 1200 deaths because they released it in the FOIA request ......

That seems rather high.

Perhaps you could supply a credible link for those of us who are sceptical.

Declan provided the link and you should thank him as I won't. You never learn anything by having people tell you or spoonfeeding you information, you learn by finding it or doing it yourself as any teacher knows, so I don't spoonfeed people. IF you truly have an open mind with critical thinking skills, you will look for it yourself, if not you're not worth my time anyways.

Khun Doodoo has the same sentiment but, of course, cannot express himself with such elegance.

[jackspratt]

1,200 deaths is actually a tad low. In actuality, it is 1,223 deaths.

The Public Health and Medical Professionals For Transparency Documents sued the FDA for the release of Pfizer’s documents concerning adverse events from their Covid vaccine. At the time, Pfizer was fighting to have their data sealed and concealed for 55 years.

Thanks.

So we are not discussing deaths by vaccination (of Pfizer), but rather deaths after vaccination (of Pfizer).

It is the former to which Captain America seems to be alluding.

And a bit of easy follow-up research would show it was not Pfizer who was contesting the FOIA application - it was the FDA. And there wasn't any 55 year sealing request.

In fact, the FDA was willing to release 500 pages/month - which apparently is their SOP.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/11/19/ ... cine-data/

[jackspratt]

Declan provided the link and you should thank him as I won't. You never learn anything by having people tell you or spoonfeeding you information, you learn by finding it or doing it yourself as any teacher knows, so I don't spoonfeed people. IF you truly have an open mind with critical thinking skills, you will look for it yourself, if not you're not worth my time anyways.

I did thank Declan, while pointing to a few inconvenient matters in his post.

However, requesting a link from you, for your assertions, is hardly asking to be "spoonfed" - particularly given your prior form on the Abortion thread.

And if you really believe you have "an open mind with critical thinking skills" perhaps you should spend a few minutes reading this article on VAERS.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2LV0NY

I'll keep my crystal ball covered while I await your response.

[sometimewoodworker]

First off Jr your numbers are slightly off
"The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed an increased number of deaths reported after a COVID-19 vaccination. Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021."

12000 or 6000 it doesnt matter the number is miniscule as compared to the possbile number of deaths that would have happened had we not had the Vaccine.

As for you stating that most Foreigners opted for Sinopharm I sure would be interested in seeing the numbers. Reason I am asking is that I am unaware of atleast ONE Foreigner who receive it here in Thailand

Make that 2

Also TeacherDan you really should understand that correlation is not causation. Yes a number of people died after receiving vaccination, however the people being vaccinated were in general older and as such death is not uncommon. I can guarantee that all of them died after eating a meal, all of them died after drinking fluids.
So your numbers are meaningless. What was the proximate cause of death?

The number of people whose proximate cause of death was vaccination is tiny, and it has yet to be determined if it was the vaccine or if it was the vaccination being intravenous not intramuscular. The idiots in the NHS WHO & CDC or whichever body advises on vaccination said you shouldn’t aspirate the injection. A change in practice that has no merit and may have serious side effects, all the way to death. So did the vaccination cause the symptoms? Probably no, probably the method of vaccination caused the problems.

True that if you did not get vaccinated you could not suffer those problems but if you got vaccinated in a country like Thailand where correct intramuscular injections are practiced then you won’t get the problems anyway.

[Teacher Dan]

Make that 2

Also TeacherDan you really should understand that correlation is not causation. Yes a number of people died after receiving vaccination, however the people being vaccinated were in general older and as such death is not uncommon. I can guarantee that all of them died after eating a meal, all of them died after drinking fluids.
So your numbers are meaningless. What was the proximate cause of death?

The number of people whose proximate cause of death was vaccination is tiny, and it has yet to be determined if it was the vaccine or if it was the vaccination being intravenous not intramuscular. The idiots in the NHS WHO & CDC or whichever body advises on vaccination said you shouldn’t aspirate the injection. A change in practice that has no merit and may have serious side effects, all the way to death. So did the vaccination cause the symptoms? Probably no, probably the method of vaccination caused the problems.

True that if you did not get vaccinated you could not suffer those problems but if you got vaccinated in a country like Thailand where correct intramuscular injections are practiced then you won’t get the problems anyway.

I know full well about correlation and causation--that's something you leftists who scream the sky is falling because of CO2 should actually remember once in awhile not to mention that if A happens before B, it's impossible for B to be the cause of A. However, in this you are wrong as CLEARLY Pfizer went through all that BEFORE they accepted the 1200 deaths being as a result of the vaccine, so your issue is with them not me.

[Drunk Monkey]

does anyone know anybody that has died from any vaccine ?

Yes.. the manager of a prominent busy restaurant here in Udonthani a customer of ours.

DM

[Teacher Dan]

IF only someone could have warned them of this before--oh that's right Dr. Malone, the man who created the mRNA technology said so LONG ago, but the left attacked him because he also indicated why the leaky mRNA vaccines are NOT the solution for the pandemic either as he said you cannot vaccinate your way out of a virus with leaky vaccines--if the smallpox or polio vaccines had been leaky, we'd never have eradicated them.

'The first data from clinical trials of Moderna’s mRNA-based seasonal flu vaccine, released by the company Friday morning, were underwhelming — a finding that shows gene-based vaccines might not be a fix for all the problems with vaccine development.

Moderna released its first results during an investor phone call and presented slides showing that the mRNA flu shots did generate antibodies — but the levels of those antibodies weren’t higher than those for other flu shots already on the market. They also had more side effects than existing shots.'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... d=msedgntp

[tamada]

Although there have been no reports of deaths from this more-infectious omicron variant, it looks like the UK is girding its loins with talk of a surge of omicron infections, hospitalizations and deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... dApp_Other

[sometimewoodworker]

Although there have been no reports of deaths from this more-infectious omicron variant, it looks like the UK is girding its loins with talk of a surge of omicron infections, hospitalizations and deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... dApp_Other

While the preparations are to be commended the indications from south Africa are that yes Omicron is far more infectious but the vast majority of people in hospitals who have been diagnosed with COVID Omicron were hospitalised for various reasons few of them were COVID. Another important point is the numbers of people needing supplemental oxygen is very many fewer than with other variant, as to more serious effects again it’s too early to have good data.

So it is too early to be sure but it’s possible that Omicron maybe less dangerous than seasonal influenza and desperate attempts to stop its spread may be unwise.

[tamada]

Although there have been no reports of deaths from this more-infectious omicron variant, it looks like the UK is girding its loins with talk of a surge of omicron infections, hospitalizations and deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... dApp_Other

While the preparations are to be commended the indications from south Africa are that yes Omicron is far more infectious but the vast majority of people in hospitals who have been diagnosed with COVID Omicron were hospitalised for various reasons few of them were COVID. Another important point is the numbers of people needing supplemental oxygen is very many fewer than with other variant, as to more serious effects again it’s too early to have good data.

So it is too early to be sure but it’s possible that Omicron maybe less dangerous than seasonal influenza and desperate attempts to stop its spread may be unwise.

Totally agree that the scientific jury on the full payload of omicron is still out. Nothing much has changed since the South African's identified and the WHO confirmed it as a 'variant of concern'. It's more infectious but so far it appears most testing positive have very mild or no symptoms at all.

The UK's fast-changing testing regimen for arriving passengers as well as the reintroduction of some of the social restrictions that were only phased out a few months ago would suggest that they have a heads-up on some as-yet undefined risk? They could of course be trying to head of a predicted surge over the festive season holidays due to domestic travel and family get togethers, etc.. There is a risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed although they weren't overwhelmed the previous three times this reason was offered. This recent article doesn't really shed any new light either way.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... r-symptoms

There's also the notion that #10 is behind a big deflection from their own Covid misdemeanors committed last Christmas but that's all a bit too conspiracy theorist for me.

[sometimewoodworker]

The UK's fast-changing testing regimen for arriving passengers as well as the reintroduction of some of the social restrictions that were only phased out a few months ago would suggest that they have a heads-up on some as-yet undefined risk? They could of course be trying to head of a predicted surge over the festive season holidays due to domestic travel and family get togethers, etc.. There is a risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed although they weren't overwhelmed the previous three times this reason was offered. This recent article doesn't really shed any new light either way.

The idea that they have a heads up on a risk is IMHO giving them a far greater benefit of the doubt than they deserve.

Preparing for a surge, while it may waste resources if there is no great increase, is vastly preferable to doing little and getting hit by huge demand.

It’s very likely that there will be a jump in hospital admissions because though Omicron is almost certainly a milder version the shear numbers who will be infected mean that even if the percentage of people getting infected needing hospitalisation drops the numbers being admitted will rise.

The rate of doubling is between 3 and 5 days, probably closer to 3 days, with everyone vaccinated or not being susceptible.

Fortunately vaccination, though not preventing infection, does reduce severity

[Teacher Dan]

More proof that vaccines mean nothing and it's time we just move on--the virus is endemic, for the most part it's not fatal, and we have plenty of therapeutics that treat it. Dr. Malone, the man who created the mRNA technology, said long ago we cannot vaccinate our way out of this with such leaky vaccines.

Yesterday, the university sent out an alert to students and faculty that prohibited all indoor social gatherings on campus. The reason for this was because of “rising COVID-19 case counts on campus.”

While such a warning probably doesn’t shock anyone at this point, it is an indictment of how poorly COVID vaccines are performing in preventing the spread of the coronavirus. At Penn, students must be vaccinated even to register for classes, let alone attend them in person. They cannot even check in to their on-campus housing without proof of vaccination. The school lists the COVID vaccine information for all students here.

All faculty must be vaccinated as well, for as the policy puts it, “Failure to report full vaccination will result in disciplinary action, up to and including termination.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/unive ... d=msedgntp

[sometimewoodworker]

More proof that vaccines mean nothing and it's time we just move on--the virus is endemic, for the most part it's not fatal, and we have plenty of therapeutics that treat it.

For someone making such a high claim with your user name;
your reliance on “news” reports while attacking other “news” reports,
Deciding that people who are reporting facts that disagree with your distorted world view must therefore be “leftist”, which seems to be your automatic ad hominem insult.
Claiming that only “news” reports from some sconces are accurate while other sconces are distorting facts or lying

All the above shows precisely why if you were or are a teacher you bring the profession into disrepute.

Vaccines have raised life expectancy enormously along with things like washing hands and correct use of antibiotics.
That people will still catch a disease after being vaccinated is proof that vaccines do nothing shows how ignorant you are on the subject of disease and what catching one actually means.

Do start reading the actual peer reviewed papers and quote them if you really want facts not a journalist’s limited (possibly politically influenced) interpretation of them.

The COVID vaccines work amazingly well, they still work and if actually injected as designed (intramuscular not intravenously) they are remarkably safe. Be glad you are in a country where correct safe injection practices are still followed.

[GT93]

Ditto.

What can teacher Dan mean by "vaccines mean nothing" and we "cannot vaccinate our way out of this"? The more people who are vaccinated the fewer hospital admissions from Covid. Then health care systems can better carry out their usual important tasks.

[Declan MacPherson]

your reliance on “news” reports while attacking other “news” reports,
Deciding that people who are reporting facts that disagree with your distorted world view must therefore be “leftist”, which seems to be your automatic ad hominem insult.
Claiming that only “news” reports from some sconces are accurate while other sconces are distorting facts or lying

You will never find accurate reporting on science and the vaccine and the pandemic in corporate media because they are in on it. The same is true regarding the FDA, the CDC, Pfizer and other drug companies. They are all in this fear mongering episode together.

The "distorted world view" is one of forced vaccination and sheep being herded toward fear and despair with a virus that is 98% survivable.

You have this uncanny ability to be blind to the fact that YOU discredit factual information on Adverse Events directly from Pfizer with "probably."

The number of people whose proximate cause of death was vaccination is tiny, and it has yet to be determined if it was the vaccine or if it was the vaccination being intravenous not intramuscular. The idiots in the NHS WHO & CDC or whichever body advises on vaccination said you shouldn’t aspirate the injection. A change in practice that has no merit and may have serious side effects, all the way to death. So did the vaccination cause the symptoms? Probably no, probably the method of vaccination caused the problems.

Based on your opinion.

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And no, you CANNOT vaccinate your way out of a pandemic because the active virus continues to mutate into new variants. It was predicted, and it is happening. The virus for which the original vaccination was created is GONE. That is why the "leaky" vaccines are no longer working.