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Post by tawan3 » August 15, 2007, 3:58 am

The standard has increased, making it simpler to figure out how much to add to your check. But the culture of tipping is as complex as ever.

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I used to feel generous because I tipped 20% in restaurants. It was a shout-out, I thought, to my brothers and sisters on the wait staff: Been there, done that, so glad I don't have to anymore.

But it's not just my imagination that 20% isn't considered all that generous anymore. It's become standard.

"When I talk to groups of people, I ask them, 'How much do you tip, 15% or 20%?' And I'd say 90% to 95% are now tipping 20%," said Peter Post, of the Emily Post Institute. "And it's for the most basic of reasons: It's simpler."

It's easier to figure out 20% of a bill on the fly than it is 15%. You simply round up, move the decimal point one place and double the result.

If your pre-tax bill is $34.85, for example, you round up to $35, move the decimal place one notch left to get $3.50 and double that to get the tip: $7. If you get great service, you leave a little more.

While the calculations may have gotten simpler, the culture of tipping has not. I've worked in restaurants, and now I travel a fair amount, so I've seen a big shift over the years:

Guidelines used to be simple; now, gray areas abound.
Tips are handled much more sensibly in other countries, but the prospects for reform here at home are pretty dim.
The ground rules seem to change frequently, so you never seem to feel as if you've tipped the right person or the right amount.

Some guidelines

Whom, how much and when to tip Staff Appropriate tip
Waiter/waitress
15% to 20% of pre-tax bill

Bartender
$1 to $2 per round or 15% to 20% of tab

Wine steward
15% of bottle's cost (less as price rises), clearly earmarked on bill

Room service
15% to 20% of pre-tax bill (if not already included)

Valet parking
$2 to $3 when car is returned

Taxi driver
15% plus $1 to $2 per bag

Hotel doorman
$1 to $2 to hail cab; $1 to $2 per bag for help with luggage

Hotel bellhop
$1 to $2 per bag

Hotel maid
$2 per night, paid daily, clearly marked 'Housekeeping'

Skycap
$1 to $2 per bag, $2 minimum, in addition to any fee

Hairdresser
15% to 20%

Manicurist
15% to 20%

Spa services
15% to 20%

Food delivery
10% to 15% with $2 minimum

Golf caddy
$20 or 50% of the caddy fee, whichever is greater




But what if you get lousy service? Post says he caps his tip at 15%, then talks to the manager or maitre d' about the problem. "Not tipping doesn't correct bad service," Post said.

Stiffing is also a bad idea because:

The poor service you got may have been beyond the wait staff's control, such as problems in the kitchen or management's failure to have enough workers on the floor.

The federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour, so wait staff depend on tips to earn a living wage.

Wait staff often must divide their tips with other workers, such as bussers, bartenders and head waiters, so stiffing a bad waitress can end up hurting innocent parties.

Like me, Post would like to see the U.S. adopt the European system of paying wait staff living wages so that tips return to their original intent: rewards for really good service.

Until then, though, we're stuck with what we've got.

(And by the way, if you don't want to tip because you consistently get poor service at restaurants, consider whether the problem might be you. I know I used to give friendly, polite folks a heck of a lot better service than grumpy, condescending or demanding


Everything is going up and up :(



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Post by Frankie 1 » August 15, 2007, 5:23 am

Tipping is different in every country, and people from some countries never give a tip.
Europe is not a country and wages are different in some European countries.
In some countries the tip is included in the price and in other countries it isn't.
Some countries even charge the receiver of the tip money extra incometax!

You tip on a pre-tax bill. But in some countries the tax is already about 20%.
And in Europe the people tip from 1% upto 10% on the tax included bill, if they even give a tip at all.

Scandinavian, Italian, Jewish, Spanish, Swiss, Pakistani and Indian people never tip and usually don't adjust when they travel to a country where tipping is normal.

Brittish, Irish and American people usually give the best tip.

Travel agents who take you on a tourist tour, may scam you with tip money. They take you to a silk factory, a massage place, special restaurants and jewlery factories. Every place they take you the travel agency will get commission from the factory, 10% to 25% of everything you buy.
Sometimes that are the wages for the tourguides and busdrivers, if you don't buy anything the tourguide will get less salary.

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Post by jackspratt » August 15, 2007, 8:02 am

Thank goodness this crazy system of "compulsory" tips doesn't occur in Oz, and the other countries I have lived (China and LOS).

In fact, in many places in China it is seen as insulting to offer a tip, and it will be very quickly rejected.

Agree re paying a living wage. Then you can pay a tip when, and only if, you receive exceptional service.

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Post by tawan3 » August 15, 2007, 9:57 am

Interesting to see different customs. I would prefer to see companies pay a living wage instead of tipping.

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Post by Aardvark » August 15, 2007, 10:33 am

When I got home a couple of weeks ago, I waited for the Taxi driver to give me my 70 cents change 8) Tipping, Indeed :mad:

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Post by Irish Alan » August 15, 2007, 10:41 am

Frankie 1 wrote:Brittish, Irish and American people usually give the best tip.
=D> =D> =D>

What about here? I usually give 20 Baht. Sometimes I think small roadside restaurants don't expect it as their normal client่le are Thai. Example, we had noodles in a small place beside Nong Prajak on Monday evening... Bill 120 Baht, I gave 140 Baht. Even if I get a coffee for 40 Baht I give 50! Am I kee neow? :?

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Post by Bump » August 15, 2007, 9:22 pm

Not for here, you get in the country side not farrang trained yet they seem to get confused. But like the idea in the end :D :lol:

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Post by VicVegas » August 15, 2007, 10:40 pm

Having been a tipped employee for many years in the States I would say this article is a little off. Most people do not tip 20%. 10-15% is more common. If they can't figure out the 15% they go down and tip 10%, not up to 20%.
Bartender
$1 to $2 per round or 15% to 20% of tab
I've tended bar. Most people simply leave change (50 cents is very common), and many don't tip at all.
Valet parking
$2 to $3 when car is returned
I worked valet at a medium sized casino in Vegas. $3 per car? Yeah right. :roll: $1 is the standard, though you also get the guys who give you $10 to keep their car on the drive. Not complaining though, the best tip money I ever made was from valet parking.
Hotel bellhop
$1 to $2 per bag
First, it's bellMAN or bell attendant, not bellhop. :mad: Second, if I got tipped $2 per bag during my bellman career I'd be living in one of those high-rise condos in Pattaya now. :roll: People usually give $1-$2 regardless of how many bags they have.
Brittish, Irish and American people usually give the best tip.
Sorry, but in my experience the Brits are among the worst tippers. Americans are consistently the best tippers, but there's plenty of stiffers in the US. Who are the best tippers? Other people who work for tips.

Regarding stiffing, most of the tipped jobs I had (valet, bellman) were providing a service that was clearly a "luxury", ie. something most people could do for themselves. If you don't want to tip, park your own car and carry your own bags. :mad: If you stiff your valet and then return and have your car parked at a later date, don't be suprised if you have to wait for your car. We don't forget.

Despite the stiffers, I loved being a tipped employee. It allows for people who REALLY appreciate the service to show it. Everywhere I worked I had great regulars who tipped well, and I always took good care of them. My paychecks were small but it's great having cash money in your pocket every day. 8)

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Post by BKKSTAN » August 16, 2007, 12:27 pm

I have always been a good tipper and I appreciate and agree with everything in Vic Vegas post!I don't pay any attention to what someone thinks is a good tip or poor tip!I tip a lesser amount in Thailand than in the USA and I almost always tip according to the level of service!
In the USA,service jobs are minimum wage and tips make the difference.An excellent enthusiastic smiling service employee can make good money!
I always put the tip in the hand of the person that I am tipping,as many places split the tips amongst all employees ,and some owners keep part of the tips!
My wife worked in 2 different large resturants in bangkok for a total of 7 years!She likes to go to these resturants ocassionally to see old friends and ''showoff''!Both have changed their policy to everyone sharing tips,so she has to put her ''100 -200 baht'' tips in a napkin in the dirty dishes with a high sign to the person to pickup :lol: :lol: Funny ,one of the places ,Panda Suki,I watched a Chinese Thai man leave the hard coin change as a tip (about 8 baht)for a party of 6 people!The last person out of the booth,picked up the 8 baht,so no tip :lol: I pointed out to my wife,she said it happens all the time! :(

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Post by Nick@AUA » August 16, 2007, 5:18 pm

VicVegas wrote:First, it's bellMAN or bell attendant, not bellhop. :mad:
Bellhop
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A bellhop (also bellboy or bellman) is a hotel porter, who helps patrons with their luggage while checking in or out.

The job's name is derived from the fact that the hotel's front desk would ring a bell to summon an available employee, who would "hop" (jump) to attention at the desk in order to receive instructions.

Historically, this employee traditionally was a boy or adolescent male who may have been otherwise unskilled but able to carry luggage; hence the term bellboy. Today's bellman must be quick witted, a good conversationalist, charismatic, outgoing, and understand the basics of human psychology to better customize each guest's experience

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