climate change

[Whistler]

The climate is CYCLICAL, if they are seeing Warnings left on stones in now drying up rivers, therefore it has happened before .
Many countries have mapped Flood plains 50/100 years ...why ?
Greenland used to be covered ion trees !!
Centuries ago the deserts were smaller ....why ??

What we are experiencing in the big game is a mere blip in Earths Climatic History, the only record is what was left for us by people before , there are NO records, No statistics, but an ancient farmer told me years ago, all weather is cyclical and funnily enough I believed him .

Even here when I came I was told that where I live had flooded with a depth of about 6-8 inches living on a hill you would think, no never happened but this man proved it to me by photos`,

So what is happening world wide HAS HAPPENED before , NOW though the presence of nearly 7.5 billion makes it harder for the Earth to recover that is a fact, but did we cause it, we certainly did not help but cause it, not necessarily.

KP,

There are heaps of ways into tracing climatic history, these are widely analysed by scientists. If you burn a gallon of petrol or a tonne of coal, you can precisely calculate the amount of CO2 that is produced. That is what environmental scientists have done, this in turn measures the impact on the planet. Guess what, the scientists were correct.

CO2 levels have doubled in the last 80 years, doubled! The contributions to this increase are man made. What is happening now was predicted decades ago, more severe droughts, storms, floods etc. The climate scientists predicted this and it has come exactly as predicted. WTF does a farmer know about climatic history?

[Khun Paul]

Well this particular farmer having farmed for the best part of 60 years, would I am sure know far more about the weather than you or I .
And yes we are part of the problem, the deforestation, etc etc, but it is still cyclical whatever you say maybe a huge drought will eliminate 25% of the population that would help. I am sure

[Whistler]

Tens of thousands of scientists who collaborate, who follow the scientific method, and who gather and then analyse that data worldwide. Scientists whose predictions over many decades have proven to come true. Climate experts throughout the world validate and peer review research, come to the almost universal conclusion.

Then one hayseed sucks on a piece of straw and refutes the entire science. You have to jest.

[jackspratt]

KP's dear old farmer was talking about the weather.

I guess KP didn't understand he wasn't talking about the climate.

[Khun Paul]

KP's dear old farmer was talking about the weather.

I guess KP didn't understand he wasn't talking about the climate.

Come on then what is the difference Mr , jack of all trades, master or none .

Do not even attempt to answer, I know , but to a farmer all one and the same using lifes experiences and knowledge he was nigh on 90% right in all his predictions, better than most Weather gurus !!

[Whistler]

KP. Jack was being kind. Your post about the farmer being the expert authority on environmental science is the silliest post I have ever seen on this forum. Good Lord man that is saying something considering the number of fruit loops that post.

[tamada]

KP. Jack was being kind. Your post about the farmer being the expert authority on environmental science is the silliest post I have ever seen on this forum. Good Lord man that is saying something considering the number of fruit loops that post.

And there was you recently posting elsewhere about what a thoroughly decent and helpful bunch the forum collective has become.

BTW, thanks for bringing up breakfast cereals. Regardless of the weather AND climate, I'm still an oatmeal fan.

[Khun Paul]

KP. Jack was being kind. Your post about the farmer being the expert authority on environmental science is the silliest post I have ever seen on this forum. Good Lord man that is saying something considering the number of fruit loops that post.

Well when he was talking to me I found it very informative, but then maybe I was interested and not as many are on here, quick to be judgemental and sarcastic . Hope you are happy in your judgemental world, I thought you were a good poster that thought has now been replaced by linking you to what did you call them, the Fruit Loops, how patronising !!

[Whistler]

Being direct has its advantages and disadvantages. I have no problem calling a spade a spade.

A farmer from Yorkshire or Sunderland etc is NOT a climate expert. The notion that they know more than the scientists is ridiculous.

[noosard]

As usual Whistler you try to make out someone stated something in their post when in fact they have not
ie KP did not say the old farmer knew more than scientists
unless you or KP are scientist

[Whistler]

Noosard,

'Unless you or KP are scientists'. Let me explain in baby steps so that even you (and maybe some others) can understand.

I only did one year of Physics before switching tertiary streams, however, even after one year, I was taught the principles of scientific research. Amongst other things it includes gathering data, THEN CHECKING YOUR SOURCES THAT THE DATA IS RELIABLE. Not just sources of data but analysis and reporting. A reliable source is typically peer-reviewed, it is mainstream with collaborating parties, it comes from researchers and scientists who are subject matter experts.

There is no need to be a subject matter expert if your opinions are based on a reliable source.

Unreliable sources, like those of controversial actors, are typically sought out by people with contrary opinions that are not truth seekers, they seek out information to cherry-pick only that information that supports their pre-disposed viewpoint. One can always find such sources. Before smoking was universally accepted as causing cancer, there were a number of doctors who vehemently denied this now well entrenched fact.

You noosard, have a long-standing history on this site of quoting controversial and unreliable sources, you have misquoted and have falsified sources. Ditto others on this site.

To get back to the subject at hand, the farmer, whose opinion was accepted by KP, is not a reliable source. To reject that opinion on the important issue of climate change as well as other subjects, I don't have to be a scientist if I can find and understand what is opined from reliable sources.

[Whistler]

The climate is CYCLICAL, if they are seeing Warnings left on stones in now drying up rivers, therefore it has happened before .
Many countries have mapped Flood plains 50/100 years ...why ?
Greenland used to be covered ion trees !!
Centuries ago the deserts were smaller ....why ??

What we are experiencing in the big game is a mere blip in Earths Climatic History, the only record is what was left for us by people before , there are NO records, No statistics, but an ancient farmer told me years ago, all weather is cyclical and funnily enough I believed him .

Even here when I came I was told that where I live had flooded with a depth of about 6-8 inches living on a hill you would think, no never happened but this man proved it to me by photos`,

So what is happening world wide HAS HAPPENED before , NOW though the presence of nearly 7.5 billion makes it harder for the Earth to recover that is a fact, but did we cause it, we certainly did not help but cause it, not necessarily.

Earth's orbit changes every 96,000 years, on these cycles the earth's climate does indeed change. But over substantial periods of time. Every now and then a momentous event triggers a massive change over a short period. A major meteor is often blamed for the demise of dinosaurs, when Krakatoa exploded in 1883 it slowed global warming for decades. However the rise in carbon levels in less than two centuries, particularly in the past 5 decades has seen an incredibly rapid change in climate, not a 96,000-year cycle, but an incredibly rapid change that almost all world scientists attribute to man-made factors

[tamada]

How come in this brave new world of female emancipation, diversity, #me2, inclusiveness and woke, it's just the man-made stuff that keeps getting a bad rap?

[noosard]

Whistler why is the old farmer an unreliable source on his local weather climate

[Whistler]

Whistler why is the old farmer an unreliable source on his local weather climate

Are you being obtuse?

KP's post did not mention local weather, he described the farmer's view on the environment, and the causes of global warming.

[tamada]

Whistler why is the old farmer an unreliable source on his local weather climate

Are you being obtuse?

KP's post did not mention local weather, he described the farmer's view on the environment, and the causes of global warming.

No he didn't. The old farmer simply told KP that weather was cyclical.

[Whistler]

Whistler why is the old farmer an unreliable source on his local weather climate

Are you being obtuse?

KP's post did not mention local weather, he described the farmer's view on the environment, and the causes of global warming.

No he didn't. The old farmer simply told KP that weather was cyclical.

'what we are experiencing in the big game is a mere blip in Earths Climatic History'.

Climatic history? That ain't local weather cycles.

[noosard]

Well now you saying something rather than put words in other's statements

[Barney]

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/enviro ... g-evidence


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[jackspratt]

Let's get back to basics eg weather and climate are not interchangeable terms.

KP's dear old farmer may/or may not have known about the weather where he farmed.

Did he really know about the climate - very doubtful.

When did this conversation occur, KP?