climate change

[Whistler]

Happy new year Rick,

Given this recent article, it certainly looks like there is an awful lot of investment slated for H this year, it will be interesting to observe. I read that the Hysata electrolyser operates at 95% efficiency. If that is scalable it will change the ball game.

[rick]

Well, always possible new technology could change things. Also need public acceptance. One village in UK is being converted from Natural gas to Hydrogen as an experiment, about half the villagers are unhappy, although done at no cost to them. Think Hindenburg.

[tamada]

Meanwhile in Davos...

The rich and powerful flocked to Davos via private jet to discuss climate change

https://news.yahoo.com/the-rich-and-pow ... 43594.html

[Whistler]

They should have walked.

Seriously however, isn't this a bit of biting the hand? These powerful individuals have the capacity to make a positive change, would it really matter if it was an uptick in private jets or an uptick of regular airline flights. Were there sufficient scheduled flights to get there? I have a friend who attended, I will ask his opinion.

[tamada]

No excuses offered, none required.

[Whistler]

[BillaRickaDickay]

That's one reason why some of us cynical bar stewards can't take this Climate Change crap seriously.

[jackspratt]

If you believe climate change (global warming) is crap, I reckon "cynical" is the wrong word.

[Whistler]

If you believe climate change (global warming) is crap, I reckon "cynical" is the wrong word.

Climate deniers will twist anything around to hang onto their views.

How on earth could the poster make any connection between the use of private jets by wealthy people and the mountains of proof that climate change is real?

Wealthy people have private jets, so climate change is not real!

[noosard]

You are missing the point
The hypocrisy of their massive carbon foot print to go some over priced location,
to discuss climate change and the causes

[Whistler]

What has the prices at the location got to do with anything, they paid their own way and are entitled to stay where they wish. They put their own money up front to travel from all over the world to do something, not a bad thing at all.

Maybe it is worth waiting to see what comes out of the conference, if it produces outcomes that significantly contribute to climate action, the 'massive' emissions might be small beer.

[BillaRickaDickay]

You are missing the point
The hypocrisy of their massive carbon foot print to go some over priced location,
to discuss climate change and the causes

Exactly, if these people were serious they would find other means to communicate, errrrr, how about a video call, just a good old jolly up. If they were really serious they would bang the drum about world overpopulation, after all humans are the cause of the problem aren't they?

[Whistler]

Virtual conferences were tried at the height of the Covid pandemic, they didn't work.

But let's let your logic run its full course.

Parliaments should be disbanded.
The United Nations should be virtualise
Medical conferences of all types should be abandoned
Etc etc.

Conferences have break out sessions, there is a huge amount of networking that takes place, human interaction is a natural way of things.

More than anything else, these members are perfectly entitled to organise their own affairs. Sniping from the sidelines is simply petty.

Greenpeace who claim to fight for the world's environment should be ashamed of themselves for leveling criticism at the conference. It will not of course stop them from soliciting donations from the same people that they are slamming. That is hypocrisy.

[noosard]

Virtual conferences were tried at the height of the Covid pandemic, they didn't work.

Yeah no cocktail party to attend

[Whistler]

Virtual conferences were tried at the height of the Covid pandemic, they didn't work.

Yeah no cocktail party to attend

So you never in your life had drinks with your workmates after hours, never went to a works Xmas party, never went to a FES lunch or dinner. You must have been a miserable sod.

[tamada]

What has the prices at the location got to do with anything, they paid their own way and are entitled to stay where they wish. They put their own money up front to travel from all over the world to do something, not a bad thing at all.

Maybe it is worth waiting to see what comes out of the conference, if it produces outcomes that significantly contribute to climate action, the 'massive' emissions might be small beer.

What? This bash in Davos could deliver the solutions that every COP has failed to do since Berlin in 1995?

I think I'll have another Old Pulteney, thanks.

[stattointhailand]

I used to love the work meetings ........ nothing better than having to get up at 03:30am to catch the 04:50am train to be in York for a 10:00am meeting

[Whistler]

What has the prices at the location got to do with anything, they paid their own way and are entitled to stay where they wish. They put their own money up front to travel from all over the world to do something, not a bad thing at all.

Maybe it is worth waiting to see what comes out of the conference, if it produces outcomes that significantly contribute to climate action, the 'massive' emissions might be small beer.

What? This bash in Davos could deliver the solutions that every COP has failed to do since Berlin in 1995?

I think I'll have another Old Pulteney, thanks.

So if there is progress without it being a silver bullet, it is a failure? If COP has been pretty damned weak we should never try anything else? The only pass mark is 100%

A very hard taskmaster.

[tamada]

Virtual conferences were tried at the height of the Covid pandemic, they didn't work. ...

Didn't work for who? Any evidence or citations on how the civilized world got through the worst of the pandemic on virtual conferences that "didn't work"?

..Greenpeace who claim to fight for the world's environment should be ashamed of themselves for leveling criticism at the conference. It will not of course stop them from soliciting donations from the same people that they are slamming. That is hypocrisy.

Isn't the hypocrisy firmly nested with "same people" who drop token sums in the activist's begging bowl before jetting off to Davos?

I'm not a Greenpeace fan by any stretch of the foreskin but the notion that these talking heads are actively going to network off-piste and come up with tangibles?

Another Old Pulteney please.

[tamada]

Virtual conferences were tried at the height of the Covid pandemic, they didn't work.

Yeah no cocktail party to attend

So you never in your life had drinks with your workmates after hours, never went to a works Xmas party, never went to a FES lunch or dinner. You must have been a miserable sod.

Satire missed.