Are we truly Free

[Doodoo]

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Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

[Whistler]

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Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

A ridiculously misleading post.

First of all it is 5 years old, before Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a crime to use free speech in Russia, on one single day in March, 5000 were arrested for expressing their view on the war. Comparing the right to free speech in the UK to that of Russia is like complaining that elephants are grossly overweight compared to mice, and expecting to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that not one single arrest for social media posts in the UK was to suppress free speech. Using Social media to harass and threaten is illegal as it should be, and that would be the reason for arrests.

[Khun Paul]

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/ques ... ts-in-2018

Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

A ridiculously misleading post.

First of all it is 5 years old, before Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a crime to use free speech in Russia, on one single day in March, 5000 were arrested for expressing their view on the war. Comparing the right to free speech in the UK to that of Russia is like complaining that elephants are grossly overweight compared to mice, and expecting to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that not one single arrest for social media posts in the UK was to suppress free speech. Using Social media to harass and threaten is illegal as it should be, and that would be the reason for arrests.

AH Whistler offering his opinion whle calling the previous post ridiculous and then offering a reason, total rubbish.
Yes all fgures are misleading as someone said you can make stats say anything you want in my old force they managed to arreswt a whole Person for what he posted on the internet in the last 12 months and guess what most Police offcers do not care nor will they actually go out of their way to act.. Normally left to specialised UNITs in other Government agencies to deal with this proliferation of bad information, should look here as well. LOTS of it on here

[Doodoo]

You are attacking me for posting misleading posts
Its hard data
If you want to comment regarding the data so be it

[Doodoo]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912 ... ations-act

[stattointhailand]

The far more worrying thing about this thread is the fact that you seem to think that at some time we were "truly free"

[Whistler]

You are attacking me for posting misleading posts
Its hard data
If you want to comment regarding the data so be it

My comments were entirely about the content, I made no comment about the UM. A ridiculous post from a ridiculous and highly complained about site that is failing.

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[Whistler]

The far more worrying thing about this thread is the fact that you seem to think that at some time we were "truly free"

Not a fan of unfettered free speech at all. In 2007 I was involved as an expert witness in a defamation case. The accused then posted on a website, claiming I was a well-known paedophile and corrupt businessman. At that time I was looking for a new job, I was told by a number of potential employers that when they googled my name these accusations came up and I was no longer being considered for the role.

The police refused to act despite it clearly being a crime under the Communications Act. It cost me $20,000 to take the perpetrator to court, under threat of further legal action, and a lot of effort, I was able to have the search engines remove reference to these false accusations, the perpetrator got off scot free. I believe the impact on my professional reputation spanned around 2 years before I was able to resolve the problem.

Defamation is an option but is incredibly expensive, I would not lodge $100,000 deposit and a lien on my home to commence action.

Sadly this is just one of many cases where the concept of 'free speech' is abused. Not surprisingly I am all for some sensible limitations, if that free speech causes serious problems, it needs to be controlled.

[jackspratt]

Interesting.

If you watch the video, Mr Kisin seems to come up short on credibility.

Firstly, there is no reference for his claim that "in Russia last year, 400 people were arrested for things they said". It was accepted at face value by the interviewer - a former Deputy PM of Australia.

Secondly, the 2 UK examples he quoted were quite misleading, as 2 minutes of digging would reveal.

If you are happy to treat hate speech as free speech without consequence, so be it. Fortunately, the law in most western countries doesn't.

[Doodoo]

"A ridiculously misleading post"

"My comments were entirely about the content"

I would suggest one may have been out in the sun/heat a bit too long

[trekkertony]

On what basis did you claim expert witness status in a defamation case where you were the complainant?

[Whistler]

On what basis did you claim expert witness status in a defamation case where you were the complainant?

On what basis is it is any of your business?

[BillaRickaDickay]

Did someone mention Free

[Udon Map]

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/ques ... ts-in-2018

Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

A ridiculously misleading post.

First of all it is 5 years old, before Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a crime to use free speech in Russia, on one single day in March, 5000 were arrested for expressing their view on the war. Comparing the right to free speech in the UK to that of Russia is like complaining that elephants are grossly overweight compared to mice, and expecting to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that not one single arrest for social media posts in the UK was to suppress free speech. Using Social media to harass and threaten is illegal as it should be, and that would be the reason for arrests.

AH Whistler offering his opinion whle calling the previous post ridiculous and then offering a reason, total rubbish.
Yes all fgures are misleading as someone said you can make stats say anything you want in my old force they managed to arreswt a whole Person for what he posted on the internet in the last 12 months and guess what most Police offcers do not care nor will they actually go out of their way to act.. Normally left to specialised UNITs in other Government agencies to deal with this proliferation of bad information, should look here as well. LOTS of it on here

I think that you may have missed the point of Whistler's post, KP. I thought that he was talking about the reason that people were arrested for posts. He said that no one was arrested in the UK for exercising their right to free speech. The link referred to violating the Malicious Communications Act of 1988. Malicious communications are very different from exercising one's right to free speech.

[jackspratt]

On what basis did you claim expert witness status in a defamation case where you were the complainant?

On what basis is it is any of your business?

Well you did introduce the issue.

Although I recognise you were not the plaintiff.

[Whistler]

On what basis did you claim expert witness status in a defamation case where you were the complainant?

On what basis is it is any of your business?

Well you did introduce the issue.

Although I recognise you were not the plaintiff.

Jack. I did not introduce a discussion on my merits of being an expert witness... that was up to the courts to decide if I was qualified, as it was, they did.

Trekkertony said I was a complainent. 100% wrong, I was appearing as an expert witness on a related case and accepted by the NSW Supreme Court as an experienced forensic IT specialist .

[Whistler]

Please trekkertony, tell us all the case number you are referring to, who is the complainant and who is the respondent. Please tell us all about the expert testinomy I was asked to present to the court, please tell us all if there was any challenges against that evidence please tell us if any such challenge existed or was successful.

Let me give you a leg up. Austlii is a database of Australian legal cases, you can search to your hearts content in keywords. What you will not find is any case where a settlement was achieved prior to the case coming to court.

I suggest you know zip, simply fishing for info so you can make a personal attack. Given there are now two well known incidents of you being beaten up by making personal insults to people to their face, do you now feel safe doing so on an internet forum?

[trekkertony]

Whistler, please feel free to provide the details to the 2 incidents you have alleged. Should you choose to provide the alleged details you will be protected by your anonymity on the forum in regard to making unfounded statements.

[Khun Paul]

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/ques ... ts-in-2018

Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

A ridiculously misleading post.

First of all it is 5 years old, before Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a crime to use free speech in Russia, on one single day in March, 5000 were arrested for expressing their view on the war. Comparing the right to free speech in the UK to that of Russia is like complaining that elephants are grossly overweight compared to mice, and expecting to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that not one single arrest for social media posts in the UK was to suppress free speech. Using Social media to harass and threaten is illegal as it should be, and that would be the reason for arrests.

AH Whistler offering his opinion whle calling the previous post ridiculous and then offering a reason, total rubbish.
Yes all fgures are misleading as someone said you can make stats say anything you want in my old force they managed to arreswt a whole Person for what he posted on the internet in the last 12 months and guess what most Police offcers do not care nor will they actually go out of their way to act.. Normally left to specialised UNITs in other Government agencies to deal with this proliferation of bad information, should look here as well. LOTS of it on here

I think that you may have missed the point of Whistler's post, KP. I thought that he was talking about the reason that people were arrested for posts. He said that no one was arrested in the UK for exercising their right to free speech. The link referred to violating the Malicious Communications Act of 1988. Malicious communications are very different from exercising one's right to free speech.

A malicious complaint happens because someone states it is malicious not that the maker thought it was . In the first place they were exercising FREE SPEECH . The difference is if they made the comment with intent . Same communication but different outcome . No wonder there is a problem in the world.

[Udon Map]

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/ques ... ts-in-2018

Over 3,000 arrested for posting in the UK as compared to Russia at only 400

A ridiculously misleading post.

First of all it is 5 years old, before Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a crime to use free speech in Russia, on one single day in March, 5000 were arrested for expressing their view on the war. Comparing the right to free speech in the UK to that of Russia is like complaining that elephants are grossly overweight compared to mice, and expecting to be taken seriously.

I would suggest that not one single arrest for social media posts in the UK was to suppress free speech. Using Social media to harass and threaten is illegal as it should be, and that would be the reason for arrests.

AH Whistler offering his opinion whle calling the previous post ridiculous and then offering a reason, total rubbish.
Yes all fgures are misleading as someone said you can make stats say anything you want in my old force they managed to arreswt a whole Person for what he posted on the internet in the last 12 months and guess what most Police offcers do not care nor will they actually go out of their way to act.. Normally left to specialised UNITs in other Government agencies to deal with this proliferation of bad information, should look here as well. LOTS of it on here

I think that you may have missed the point of Whistler's post, KP. I thought that he was talking about the reason that people were arrested for posts. He said that no one was arrested in the UK for exercising their right to free speech. The link referred to violating the Malicious Communications Act of 1988. Malicious communications are very different from exercising one's right to free speech.

A malicious complaint happens because someone states it is malicious not that the maker thought it was . In the first place they were exercising FREE SPEECH . The difference is if they made the comment with intent . Same communication but different outcome . No wonder there is a problem in the world.

No, there are objective measures of malice. The fact that the speaker proclaims his lack of malicious intent does not cure a malicious statement.