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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » June 26, 2023, 3:33 pm

marjamlew wrote:
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This looks like it will fit in here nicely.
It does. I don't think the author of the article would disagree with you based on what he has written.


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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » June 26, 2023, 3:37 pm

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June 26, 2023, 1:31 pm
Recognising a sympathising with minority issues should not be an automatic assumption of self hate. This is a wedge argument, if you don't accept the great replacement conspiracy, you are a self hater? Silly beyond words.
Is this what the author is saying? He seems to be spending most of his time discussing theories, in particular, critical theory. What do you think of his analysis of critical theory?

He wrote, 'Four academic doctrines — critical theory, postmodernism, social justice and critical race theory — are moving the world, or at least the West, from this triumph to decline. These doctrines reject Enlightenment values such as open inquiry, individual autonomy, free speech, scientific skepticism and even reason itself. They claim to champion equality, peace and social cooperation, but instead promote identity politics, elitism and centralized control. They are the four doctrines of the apocalypse.

Unlike traditional academic inquiry, these “neo-Marxist” doctrines are less theories than programs. They are activist and political. “The philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways,” Marx famously wrote. “The point, however, is to change it.” Critical theory is not to be confused with critical thinking, for to think critically is to reason, explain, critique and challenge. Instead, the purpose of these doctrines is to condemn. They largely consist of ideological assertions not based on data or deduction. They lead with their conclusions.' Do you not see any merit in this? Or is it 'silly beyond words'?
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Whistler » June 26, 2023, 4:13 pm

Pardy's argument appears to stem from his predisposition that 'self hate' is really the only driver in what he describes as the chattering classes. He then labels this with the pejorative 'Neo-Marxist' doctrines.

So he brands those with views on issues, including climate change by dismissing them as such. He says this is the biggest issue today, forget about climate change, forget about everything, today's ills are all driven by 'self-hate'.

I would suggest that a lot of people view other issues of greater importance, I would also suggest that most of these have never read 'The Communist Manifesto'. Nice labels 'chattering classes' and 'neo-Marxists' if you want to name call those who do not agree with your thoughts.

Worth reading the comments on the article, all calling for drastic authoritarian solutions, he is catering to his audience of right-wing zealots
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » June 26, 2023, 6:01 pm

Whistler wrote:
June 26, 2023, 4:13 pm
Pardy's argument appears to stem from his predisposition that 'self hate' is really the only driver in what he describes as the chattering classes. He then labels this with the pejorative 'Neo-Marxist' doctrines.

So he brands those with views on issues, including climate change by dismissing them as such. He says this is the biggest issue today, forget about climate change, forget about everything, today's ills are all driven by 'self-hate'.

I would suggest that a lot of people view other issues of greater importance, I would also suggest that most of these have never read 'The Communist Manifesto'. Nice labels 'chattering classes' and 'neo-Marxists' if you want to name call those who do not agree with your thoughts.

Worth reading the comments on the article, all calling for drastic authoritarian solutions, he is catering to his audience of right-wing zealots
Nice critique although the Neo-Marxist and 'Woke Progressive' label might fit those who really do not like listening to differing views.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Whistler » June 26, 2023, 7:06 pm

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
June 26, 2023, 6:01 pm
Whistler wrote:
June 26, 2023, 4:13 pm
Pardy's argument appears to stem from his predisposition that 'self hate' is really the only driver in what he describes as the chattering classes. He then labels this with the pejorative 'Neo-Marxist' doctrines.

So he brands those with views on issues, including climate change by dismissing them as such. He says this is the biggest issue today, forget about climate change, forget about everything, today's ills are all driven by 'self-hate'.

I would suggest that a lot of people view other issues of greater importance, I would also suggest that most of these have never read 'The Communist Manifesto'. Nice labels 'chattering classes' and 'neo-Marxists' if you want to name call those who do not agree with your thoughts.

Worth reading the comments on the article, all calling for drastic authoritarian solutions, he is catering to his audience of right-wing zealots
Nice critique although the Neo-Marxist and 'Woke Progressive' label might fit those who really do not like listening to differing views.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by jackspratt » June 26, 2023, 8:13 pm

Perhaps Uncle Tilo and whistles should both take a deep breath (each), settle down for a moment, and refer to jackspratt's very wise theory as expounded above.

In lieu of that, both take a Bex or two, and have a good lie down. 👍

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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Whistler » June 27, 2023, 12:09 am

Bex, a toxic over the counter banned decades ago. Jackpsratt over an overhyped panacea cure all.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by tamada » June 27, 2023, 6:16 am

For context.

"The expression "A cup of tea, a Bex, and a good lie down" had gained currency through much of Australia in the post-World War II period when aspirin became readily available. McKellar's play reinforced the phrase "and the title quickly became a common Australian saying". It was often abbreviated to "go and take a Bex" and used in a pejorative sense to indicate to an over-eager person that they should take a more relaxed attitude to a situation. As such, it has had currency in bar room discussions, particularly where someone has become animated in expressing a point of view that is contrary to the general view of the group. In September 2011 former Prime Minister of Australia, Kevin Rudd, told the media, "I just think it would be a good thing if everyone seriously had a cup of tea and a Bex and a long lie down, OK?" over reports of his possible challenge to his leader, the incumbent prime minister, Julia Gillard."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bex_(compound_analgesic)

Jack Sprat" (or "Jack Spratt") is an English language nursery rhyme. It has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 19479.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sprat
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » June 27, 2023, 11:14 am

I made a mistake with the title of this thread as people seem to be focused more on the title than the content or are unable to grasp and comment on issues such as critical theory. I will take a few deep breaths and ask the moderators to close the thread. Thanks.
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Post by tamada » June 27, 2023, 11:44 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
June 27, 2023, 11:14 am
I made a mistake with the title of this thread as people seem to be focused more on the title than the content or are unable to grasp and comment on issues such as critical theory. I will take a few deep breaths and ask the moderators to close the thread. Thanks.
No, don't do that. If it's simply a titular mistake, as the OP you can edit/change the title.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » June 27, 2023, 12:31 pm

In addition, I want to condense the content to make the thread more focused.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Whistler » June 27, 2023, 2:18 pm

One aspect about Critical Race Theory makes it pretty hard to refute the notion that there is a structural inequality in the USA.

The significant underfunding of education for minority schools. For those who are not familiar with the School District funding, my only experience is in Texas, but I would be surprised if was not much more widespread than in that notoriously racist state. Schools are funded by district property taxes, and wealthy neighbourhoods with high property values generate much more funding than poorer districts. Consequentially the schools get more resources, better teacher-to-student ratios and better-qualified teachers. It is no surprise that poor areas have a high proportion of minorities.

This is an inbuilt inequlity that is largely racist. Ditto black colleges and universities, significantly underfunded compared to predominantly white educational institutions.
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by newtovillagelife » June 27, 2023, 6:59 pm

noosard wrote:
June 25, 2023, 6:44 pm
Glad i am white
Does it make you feel more superior to the locals?

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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by noosard » June 28, 2023, 8:13 am

newtovillagelife wrote:
June 27, 2023, 6:59 pm
noosard wrote:
June 25, 2023, 6:44 pm
Glad i am white
Does it make you feel more superior to the locals?
No or to anybody else
why should it?


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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Udon Map » June 28, 2023, 9:45 am

Whistler wrote:
June 27, 2023, 2:18 pm
One aspect about Critical Race Theory makes it pretty hard to refute the notion that there is a structural inequality in the USA.

The significant underfunding of education for minority schools. For those who are not familiar with the School District funding, my only experience is in Texas, but I would be surprised if was not much more widespread than in that notoriously racist state. Schools are funded by district property taxes, and wealthy neighbourhoods with high property values generate much more funding than poorer districts. Consequentially the schools get more resources, better teacher-to-student ratios and better-qualified teachers. It is no surprise that poor areas have a high proportion of minorities.

This is an inbuilt inequlity that is largely racist. Ditto black colleges and universities, significantly underfunded compared to predominantly white educational institutions.
Inequality, yes, absolutely. But I think that the causes are much more complex and nuanced than simply writing it off to racism.

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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by Whistler » June 28, 2023, 9:59 am

Of course it is not as simplistic as that, but I still regard lack of opportunity for eduction to be significant
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Re: Cultural Self-Hate

Post by tamada » June 28, 2023, 11:29 am

joudon66 wrote:
June 26, 2023, 7:45 am
I thought Udon Map was a forum for people to express THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
Every day now it seems we are given links to click on to read this and that.
The OP has posted something he found of interest for members to read. After reading it, they can decide whether to express "THEIR OWN OPINIONS" on the subject matter. That appears to be ticking along quite nicely with differing opinions being explained so it has obviously piqued some member's interest.

Of course, one can opine NOT to read what another member has posted links to and thus be excused from expressing any opinion whatsoever.
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