Easy pop shots at OZ labor Govt.

[Sport]

And this mess. Eighty three people who had been in detention for crimes of murder, sexual offences, dangerous assaults have been released into the Oz community vide a high court decision that they should be set free. A lot of them entered Oz illegally or claimed political assylum from their original country. Some of the original countries do not want them back, so Oz has to look after them indefinately.

The albo Govt. has given some sort of bridging visa allowing them to stay and roam around the countryside. Last night, Marles, gallagher and 3 others went into the office of Peter Dutton asked him what they could do. So now at least they are on strict conditions and ankle bracelets. Today there are calls, no doubt from the lefties, snowflakes, greens that the crims should receive compensation for being locked up. What a bloody mess under labor.

[jackspratt]

And this mess. Eighty three people who had been in detention for crimes of murder, sexual offences, dangerous assaults have been released into the Oz community vide a high court decision that they should be set free.

That's just not true, is it Sport.

If the court decides that someone is being illegally detained, should that be ignored by government ie keep them detained? Sounds very Trumpian to me.

The albo Govt. has given some sort of bridging visa allowing them to stay and roam around the countryside.

That's not true either, is it.

BTW - whose utterly deficient legislation at the turn of the century was it, that allowed this situation to arise in the first place?

[Sport]

Pray tell JS, which part or parts are not true.

[jackspratt]

1. They were in immigration detention because they could not be deported - not because of murder etc.

2. They can't roam around the countryside, because they are/will be fitted with GPS, and will have reporting conditions.

Now, whose legislation was it that led to this situation?

[Whistler]

Sport, JS is factually correct. The coalition won elections as Aussies wanted strong action against illegal arrivals. In their haste to take advantage of this, policies and laws were rushed into action for political reasons. Now the courts have determined that the detention laws are illegal, the coalition laws were overturned by the courts and the fallout is now.

This is not some 'woke' policy by Labor, this was a f@ck up by the former coalition government.

Put it in context, just a handful, being carefully monitored while well thought out laws are enacted. A storm in a teacup.

[Sport]

1. They were in immigration detention because they could not be deported - not because of murder etc.
2. They can't roam around the countryside, because they are/will be fitted with GPS, and will have reporting conditions.
Now, whose legislation was it that led to this situation?

I did say they were in detention. They ended up there because they committed atrocious crimes and was revealed that when released they would be put into Immi.detention pending a safe outcome.

Oh sure, fitted with bracelets and conditions, you think that is going to stop some of them from breaking away and maybe commit further crimes or maybe filter into the community. They should have been put back in the pen until a solid and safe outcome could be reached, despite the high court decision.

I do concede the original legislation was the coalitions doing and not sufficiently thought through. However in May this year Justice Gleeson intimated to the Govt. that those laws would come under close scrutiny in the high court. Labor did have time to draft legislation so if those laws were overturned, the Govt. could act immediately and never did.

The coalition acted swiftly to bring about these laws, why didnt the present Govt.do the same. There are now I believe some 340 people on the waiting list to be released into the mainstream, see what happens there. And now the
Govt. wants to import 500,000 people into Oz over the next year or so, who is checking their bona fides, that is an impossible task.

I believe JS some of those crims are in the Perth area, so I hope your family/friends do no come across them.

[Sport]

Sport, JS is factually correct. The coalition won elections as Aussies wanted strong action against illegal arrivals. In their haste to take advantage of this, policies and laws were rushed into action for political reasons. Now the courts have determined that the detention laws are illegal, the coalition laws were overturned by the courts and the fallout is now.
This is not some 'woke' policy by Labor, this was a f@ck up by the former coalition government.
Put it in context, just a handful, being carefully monitored while well thought out laws are enacted. A storm in a teacup.
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Whistles, I did concede to our friend JS the coalition did rush through legislation to stop the illegal arrivals, and could have put more effort in place for a high court decision some 15-20 yrs down the track. Aussies wanted people to come through the front door not the back by jumping ahead of the others. There was no way of checking their bona fides, some may be decent people.

Carefully monitored maybe, and some I believe will break away from those shackles and commit crimes or never to be seen again. Dont think its a storm in a teacup, Oz has hardened crims walking around the streets and that is frightening, the crims have nothing to lose.

[jackspratt]

Carefully monitored maybe, and some I believe will break away from those shackles and commit crimes or never to be seen again. Dont think its a storm in a teacup, Oz has hardened crims walking around the streets and that is frightening, the crims have nothing to lose.

Australia has had hardened crims walking around the streets for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so long after the ones involved in the current kerfuffle are dead and gone.

What do you think happens to all the home-grown murderers, rapists etc once they have served their sentences, and are released?

[Sport]

Carefully monitored maybe, and some I believe will break away from those shackles and commit crimes or never to be seen again. Dont think its a storm in a teacup, Oz has hardened crims walking around the streets and that is frightening, the crims have nothing to lose.

Australia has had hardened crims walking around the streets for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so long after the ones involved in the current kerfuffle are dead and gone.
What do you think happens to all the home-grown murderers, rapists etc once they have served their sentences, and are released?

In this present age, there are hardened crims in Oz society mostly walking around the countryside. Some do have ankle bracelets and reporting conditions, either to the parole members, their staff or to different authorities. The authorities would have a list of their associates, families, haunts, passport details and residences.

Prior to release, a parole board is set up to access the individual cases and make a determination if they should be released back into society. If they have served their sentences and are allowed back into society, I cannot see a problem, although a few re-offended and ended back in the pen.

[Whistler]

I stand by my storm in a teacup statement.

89 were released, not by the Australian government, but by the High Court who imposed very strict conditions for their release, not all were convicted or suspected criminals. There are around 15,000 people on parole in Australia, this group swells that number by 0.6%.

What is being ignored on this forum, is that indefinite detention without trial is outrageous. It appears that the majority are NOT criminals, but stateless people who have been locked up for many years. An example is a Papua New Guniea artist who was escaping Indonesian authorities who have a reputation for brutality. He escaped that only to be locked up with no right for trial for more than 5 years. No wonder the High Court struck down the flawed laws as violating human rights.

New legislation is being framed right now to properly deal with these individuals, not rushed laws that in themselves were illegal, but properly thought out laws that deal with the situation. I am happy to wait a few extra days for those laws to be enacted rather than the dodgy laws that have now been struck down.

To claim these 89 are free to wreak havoc in the community, given the strict conditions is a gross overstatement.

[Sport]

I stand by my storm in a teacup statement.

89 were released, not by the Australian government, but by the High Court who imposed very strict conditions for their release, not all were convicted or suspected criminals. There are around 15,000 people on parole in Australia, this group swells that number by 0.6%.

What is being ignored on this forum, is that indefinite detention without trial is outrageous. It appears that the majority are NOT criminals, but stateless people who have been locked up for many years. An example is a Papua New Guniea artist who was escaping Indonesian authorities who have a reputation for brutality. He escaped that only to be locked up with no right for trial for more than 5 years. No wonder the High Court struck down the flawed laws as violating human rights.

New legislation is being framed right now to properly deal with these individuals, not rushed laws that in themselves were illegal, but properly thought laws that deal with the situation. I am happy to wait a few extra days for those laws to be enacted rather than the dodgy laws that have now been struck down.

To claim these 89 are free to wreak havoc in the community, given the strict conditions is a gross overstatement.

Whistles, its a very big teacup or in my case coffee. If I am not mistaken, the 83 were put under restrictions by the Govt with bi-partisan support of the coalition, not the high court. Your probably right with 15K on parole. Indefinite detention without trial is wrong I agree.

The Papuan artist man is no angel. Over a 20y period he has been convicted of drug offences, assaults, driving offences and served 2.5yrs in prison term for dangerous driving. Though he has been recognised in the Aboriginal community through his family as one of there own.

At the time the coalition legislated these laws about 20yrs ago, legal and mostly illegal people were attempting to land on Australias coast at a fast rate and the Govt. had to act swiftly to stifle the flow and they did make mistakes in that legistlation but thats all they could do at the time.

I did say some of the 83 could offend again, not all of them.

[Whistler]

Those who had commited crimes has already served their sentences, so there were no outstanding warrants. The subequent detention was illegal.

A slight correction to your comment above, the high court set strict conditions, then both sides of the house agreed on FURTHER resitrictions.

I am 99% in favour of deporting foreign nationals who have commited crimes in Australia and have served their time. The 1%, if they are in danger of becoming a cabinet minister in Thailand after their deportation, additional penalties should be invoked. 55.

[noosard]

Unbeatable Albo sets third world record for plunging living standards
, but in only week, the Albanese government has broken three world records for poor economic management and declining living standards.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/1 ... standards/

[Whistler]

Unbeatable Albo sets third world record for plunging living standards
, but in only week, the Albanese government has broken three world records for poor economic management and declining living standards.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/1 ... standards/

The author is by no means a fool, but he certainly puts a slant on his articles. Perhaps being an ex-staff member for Tony Abbott and an economics commentator for News Limited provides some clue about his politics. His statements in the past have seen him dismissed from some gigs, and ridiculed in others.

There is no doubt that the Australian economy is not firing on all cylinders, but to lay the entire blame on Albanese is terribly simplistic. Inflation driven by the COVID fallout and the Ukraine war is hardly the fault of any Australian PM, external world events that buffeted many economies. Both events predated the election of the current government. Australia has for decades relied on high migration for growth, it has been the single largest contributor to GDP growth for a very long time. The COVID migration restrictions obliterated that input, not to blame the previous government for that policy, the policy had merit despite the fallout. The fallout was a hit on the GDP, and skilled labor shortages that are biting hard.

A more balanced comment on the Australian economy would have included a few other factors, a record government surplus, a winding back of the pork barreling infrastructure spending (carporks anybody?), record balance of payment surpluses, resumption of trade on a huge scale with Australia's largest trading partner, falling inflation and very low unemployment (see migration policy).

The author's comments about the quarterly fall in real wages is a real clanger, the rise in real wages under Albanese has been a significant achievement, to isolate one quarter only, is disingenuous. The previous conservative governments decimated wage growth.

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/qA9QG/full.png

The OECD sees moderate growth for Australia until 2025, but no recession.

[Sport]

Unbeatable Albo sets third world record for plunging living standards
, but in only week, the Albanese government has broken three world records for poor economic management and declining living standards.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/1 ... standards/

The author is by no means a fool, but he certainly puts a slant on his articles. Perhaps being an ex-staff member for Tony Abbott and an economics commentator for News Limited provides some clue about his politics. His statements in the past have seen him dismissed from some gigs, and ridiculed in others.

There is no doubt that the Australian economy is not firing on all cylinders, but to lay the entire blame on Albanese is terribly simplistic. Inflation driven by the COVID fallout and the Ukraine war is hardly the fault of any Australian PM, external world events that buffeted many economies. Both events predated the election of the current government. Australia has for decades relied on high migration for growth, it has been the single largest contributor to GDP growth for a very long time. The COVID migration restrictions obliterated that input, not to blame the previous government for that policy, the policy had merit despite the fallout. The fallout was a hit on the GDP, and skilled labor shortages that are biting hard.

A more balanced comment on the Australian economy would have included a few other factors, a record government surplus, a winding back of the pork barreling infrastructure spending (carporks anybody?), record balance of payment surpluses, resumption of trade on a huge scale with Australia's largest trading partner, falling inflation and very low unemployment (see migration policy).

The author's comments about the quarterly fall in real wages is a real clanger, the rise in real wages under Albanese has been a significant achievement, to isolate one quarter only, is disingenuous. The previous conservative governments decimated wage growth.
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/qA9QG/full.png
The OECD sees moderate growth for Australia until 2025, but no recession.
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A surplus it was, around 20 Billion AUD. Is it a fact the majority of said surplus came off the back of the mining and agriculture industry, the important ingredients that Oz needs and lefties, greenies, snowflakes, young adults/children, animal protesters and current labor Govt. want to stop or put a stranglehold on these important industries.

Can they produce candles without fossil fuels.

[Whistler]

Unbeatable Albo sets third world record for plunging living standards
, but in only week, the Albanese government has broken three world records for poor economic management and declining living standards.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/1 ... standards/

The author is by no means a fool, but he certainly puts a slant on his articles. Perhaps being an ex-staff member for Tony Abbott and an economics commentator for News Limited provides some clue about his politics. His statements in the past have seen him dismissed from some gigs, and ridiculed in others.

There is no doubt that the Australian economy is not firing on all cylinders, but to lay the entire blame on Albanese is terribly simplistic. Inflation driven by the COVID fallout and the Ukraine war is hardly the fault of any Australian PM, external world events that buffeted many economies. Both events predated the election of the current government. Australia has for decades relied on high migration for growth, it has been the single largest contributor to GDP growth for a very long time. The COVID migration restrictions obliterated that input, not to blame the previous government for that policy, the policy had merit despite the fallout. The fallout was a hit on the GDP, and skilled labor shortages that are biting hard.

A more balanced comment on the Australian economy would have included a few other factors, a record government surplus, a winding back of the pork barreling infrastructure spending (carporks anybody?), record balance of payment surpluses, resumption of trade on a huge scale with Australia's largest trading partner, falling inflation and very low unemployment (see migration policy).

The author's comments about the quarterly fall in real wages is a real clanger, the rise in real wages under Albanese has been a significant achievement, to isolate one quarter only, is disingenuous. The previous conservative governments decimated wage growth.
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/qA9QG/full.png
The OECD sees moderate growth for Australia until 2025, but no recession.
[/quote)

A surplus it was, around 20 Billion AUD. Is it a fact the majority of said surplus came off the back of the mining and agriculture industry, the important ingredients that Oz needs and lefties, greenies, snowflakes, young adults/children, animal protesters and current labor Govt. want to stop or put a stranglehold on these important industries.

Can they produce candles without fossil fuels.

Not really sport. A bit over 20% of exports are coal, gas and other fossil products. A lot of that was coking coal.

Australian exports are overwhelmingly, metal ores, services and agricultural products.

[Whistler]

Latest News poll has Labor and Coalition 50/50. Younger Australians in particular, pissed off with Australia's policy on Gaza. Whoduvthought a Middle Eastern war would have such a marked impact.

Slowing economy is also having an impact. Rocky road leading up to election next year. They say 24 hours is a long time in politics, several. Months will. Be an eternity.

[jackspratt]

I reckon the past 3, 4 or even 5 years have shown that worrying about "polls" this far out from an election is a fools game. But great fodder for the media - depending on which line they want to follow.

Get back to me in the middle of next year.

[Sport]

From the NSW teachers federation and a labor state. This disgusting, racist act should be condemned from the highest level of Govt.

This from the teachers federation 28 Nov. "Teachers must be afforded the professional respect to dress the way they so choose. This includes those who wish to wear the black/white head band of the palestinians into the classrooms in public schools".

The president of the teachers federation angelo avrielatos quoted saying, " How many more children must be killed before the world takes action against Israel", 19 Nov 2023.

So the Jewish children and their supporting students would be feeling aggreived and scared to attend school by this anti-semetic course of action by these dog teachers. These dogs are just left wing activists masquerading as teacher
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On another front, 141 convicted crimminals have been released by that court decision a few weeks ago. Low and behold one of them has escaped into wherever and cannot be located, fancy that. And the Fed.Govt. has allocated about 280 million to keep an eye on them. So the failed voice and this cock-up by albo has and will cost the Oz public around 730 million dollars. How many hospitals, nurses and paramedics could that have funded.

[tamada]

From the NSW teachers federation and a labor state. This disgusting, racist act should be condemned from the highest level of Govt.

This from the teachers federation 28 Nov. "Teachers must be afforded the professional respect to dress the way they so choose. This includes those who wish to wear the black/white head band of the palestinians into the classrooms in public schools".

The president of the teachers federation angelo avrielatos quoted saying, " How many more children must be killed before the world takes action against Israel", 19 Nov 2023.

So the Jewish children and their supporting students would be feeling aggreived and scared to attend school by this anti-semetic course of action by these dog teachers.

Dog teachers or dog whistle response?

PS: The black and white checked keffiyeh isn't anti-Semitic.
...and there's absolutely nothing Zionist about wearing the Star of David either.