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Post by Udon Map » November 28, 2023, 5:01 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
November 27, 2023, 8:27 pm
Mr. Doodoo, who are the Israelis being released and why were they held? Do you have any insight on that?
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November 27, 2023, 9:20 pm
NOPE.
Of course not. :roll:

The Israelis being held are, for the most part civilians, children (including infants), women, and the elderly, and all of whom committed the war crime of living not too far from the border with Gaza, or attending an outdoor concert not too far from the border. There is a small number of Israeli soldiers being held captive, said to number around 150 (out of the approximately 1,200 hostages being held), from what I've read.



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Post by tamada » November 28, 2023, 5:53 am

There were originally about 240 hostages of which about 40 are not being held by Hamas. Israeli authorities claim 138 hold foreign nationality. It's not clear how many of the remaining hostages are IDF members.

https://www.ajc.org/news/what-is-known- ... n-by-hamas
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Post by Udon Map » November 28, 2023, 8:26 am

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Red Cross in 1944: “We found no trace of installations for exterminating civilian prisoners in Auschwitz” (see above document)

Red Cross in 2023: “We found no evidence of weapons or hostages being kept in hospitals in Gaza”

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Post by tamada » November 28, 2023, 9:54 am

Why is the Red Crescent not seen as doing this work in Gaza?
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Post by Stantheman » November 28, 2023, 7:49 pm

tamada wrote:
November 28, 2023, 9:54 am
Why is the Red Crescent not seen as doing this work in Gaza?
Just a FYI, Red Cross and Red Crescent are basically the same organization. Just different name depending on location.
https://www.ifrc.org/who-we-are/interna ... t-movement

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Post by tamada » November 28, 2023, 9:02 pm

Stantheman wrote:
November 28, 2023, 7:49 pm
tamada wrote:
November 28, 2023, 9:54 am
Why is the Red Crescent not seen as doing this work in Gaza?
Just a FYI, Red Cross and Red Crescent are basically the same organization. Just different name depending on location.
https://www.ifrc.org/who-we-are/interna ... t-movement
Yes, I know but why is the Red Cross leading this mission in a region where the Red Crescent is the norm? I worked in the middle east including Iraq and Yemen and it was always the Red Crescent as they are Muslim franchise of the organization.
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Post by papafarang » November 29, 2023, 4:29 pm

tamada wrote:
November 28, 2023, 9:02 pm
Stantheman wrote:
November 28, 2023, 7:49 pm
tamada wrote:
November 28, 2023, 9:54 am
Why is the Red Crescent not seen as doing this work in Gaza?
Just a FYI, Red Cross and Red Crescent are basically the same organization. Just different name depending on location.
https://www.ifrc.org/who-we-are/interna ... t-movement
Yes, I know but why is the Red Cross leading this mission in a region where the Red Crescent is the norm? I worked in the middle east including Iraq and Yemen and it was always the Red Crescent as they are Muslim franchise of the organization.
Simple tam , red cross workers have much less chance of getting a bullet in the head by Israeli ,red crescent your just another target for them.
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Post by Udon Map » November 29, 2023, 9:05 pm

Kindergarten graduation ceremony in Gaza.

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Post by trekkertony » November 30, 2023, 7:14 am

That video clip says it all. Any hope for a two nation settlement is impossible demonstrated by the depth of hatred that exists per this video.

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Post by Sport » November 30, 2023, 8:59 am

Udon Map wrote:
November 29, 2023, 9:05 pm
Kindergarten graduation ceremony in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 3320528301
And twit allows this, says a lot for twit. A disgusting way hamas/palestinians are showing children how to destroy Israel.

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Post by tamada » November 30, 2023, 11:43 am

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That video clip says it all. Any hope for a two nation settlement is impossible demonstrated by the depth of hatred that exists per this video.
Guaranteed there's a similar sentiment and training from the parents of Israeli settlers children in the West Bank. You know the ones, the extreme right wing nuts that are allowed to squat and build on land they're illegally occupying.
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Post by Sport » November 30, 2023, 12:06 pm

trekkertony wrote:
November 30, 2023, 7:14 am
That video clip says it all. Any hope for a two nation settlement is impossible demonstrated by the depth of hatred that exists per this video.
tamada wrote:
November 30, 2023, 11:43 am
Guaranteed there's a similar sentiment and training from the parents of Israeli settlers children in the West Bank. You know the ones, the extreme right wing nuts that are allowed to squat and build on land they're illegally occupying.
Afternoon Tam. To give creedence to your comment today, could you please supply me/us with a video or news item that would support that comment.

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Post by papafarang » November 30, 2023, 12:32 pm

Something wrong with you lot so eager to reinforce your own bigoted view you don't even see it for what it is. Little kids playing war games, it's only adults making something out of nothing, I played cowboys and Indians .imagine if they had filmed me a a kid putting a rope round my mate neck just because he was a redskin. Show that vid and the narrative would be 'homicidal racist manic'. Or try another narrative. Look at these poor children doing Thier daily ' get to school without being murdered training, like America has active shooter training in schools. Whatever it's just propaganda
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Post by Doodoo » November 30, 2023, 1:07 pm

Thanks Papa for your comment

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Post by tamada » November 30, 2023, 5:37 pm

Sport wrote:
November 30, 2023, 12:06 pm
trekkertony wrote:
November 30, 2023, 7:14 am
That video clip says it all. Any hope for a two nation settlement is impossible demonstrated by the depth of hatred that exists per this video.
tamada wrote:
November 30, 2023, 11:43 am
Guaranteed there's a similar sentiment and training from the parents of Israeli settlers children in the West Bank. You know the ones, the extreme right wing nuts that are allowed to squat and build on land they're illegally occupying.
Afternoon Tam. To give creedence to your comment today, could you please supply me/us with a video or news item that would support that comment.
I said sentiment, not clips on YouTube or X. You should know the difference.

The following is happening in the lands they're supposed to be allowed to live safely.

"At least 132 Palestinians, including 41 children, have been killed by security forces and settlers in the past three weeks, according to the U.N. In 2022, 158 Palestinians were killed there, in the worst level of violence in two decades."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna123311
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Post by Udon Map » November 30, 2023, 7:16 pm

papafarang wrote:
November 30, 2023, 12:32 pm
Something wrong with you lot so eager to reinforce your own bigoted view you don't even see it for what it is. Little kids playing war games, it's only adults making something out of nothing, I played cowboys and Indians .imagine if they had filmed me a a kid putting a rope round my mate neck just because he was a redskin. Show that vid and the narrative would be 'homicidal racist manic'. Or try another narrative. Look at these poor children doing Thier daily ' get to school without being murdered training, like America has active shooter training in schools. Whatever it's just propaganda
Little kids playing is one thing, and I agree with you in that, Dean. But being taught to hate by teachers in school, being taught violence by teachers in school is something completely different.

Here's an article from UN Watch: https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to ... ew-report/

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Post by Khun Paul » December 1, 2023, 7:16 am

I smile at people criticising what is taught in schools, when basically for eons, Parents have been teaching their children to hate ridicule or ewven openly insult those of a different socio-economic background, those of a different colour and also those of a different ethincity. ALL THE SCHOOLS are doing is reinforcing the local situation.
it takes strong parenting skills and an even stronger school system to thwart the invasi9ve tactics employed to change the status quo .
Look at any country where POLITICIANS Tamper with the educational process stating what can and cannot be taught or even read. FREEDOMS hard fought for are being eroded by culture wars in many western countries due to often ignorance and sheer stupidity.

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Post by Udon Map » December 1, 2023, 9:09 am

Khun Paul wrote:
December 1, 2023, 7:16 am
Look at any country where POLITICIANS Tamper with the educational process stating what can and cannot be taught or even read.
Interesting point. Who should determine what can and cannot be taught? Parents? School administrators? Teachers? School committees? Someone else?

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Post by FrazeeDK » December 1, 2023, 12:02 pm

change the status quo? Who determines the syllabus? Which classes are mandated from a State level? Shouldn't any core cirruculum be based on the simplistic "readin' writin' arithmetic" of yore? What input is provided via public participation in School Board meetings? What deviation from the curriculum is allowed where individual teachers move to teach their own political and social beliefs? I'd say from a democratic perspective parental participation should be paramount. That participation should include a level of parental responsibility to ensure their children are learning...
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Post by Doodoo » December 1, 2023, 2:56 pm

Who should determine what can and cannot be taught? Parents? School administrators? Teachers? School committees? Someone else?

What has this to do with the subject matter, war hostages, killing, bombs etc?

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