Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[AlexO]

Just to remind you Russia has Veto'd the whole worlds condemnation of invasion of Ukraine. But some Ukrainian child is less important than a Palestinian child

[jackspratt]

No vetoes in the General Assembly.

UN General Assembly demands Russian Federation withdraw all military forces from the territory of Ukraine

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/un-gene ... ine_und_en

Vote was 141 - 5.

[AlexO]

No vetoes in the General Assembly.

UN General Assembly demands Russian Federation withdraw all military forces from the territory of Ukraine

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/un-gene ... ine_und_en

Vote was 141 - 5.

Are you being serious?
UN General Assembly demands Russian Federation withdraw all military forces from the territory of Ukraine
02.03.2022.
Look at the date, and just remind me when the Russians were subjected to a horrific attack by the Ukrainians.
PS
One of the 5 against was Russia.

[jackspratt]

Great news out of the UN sometime yesterday. No ceasefire. By signing off on this [resolution], the UN Security Council would essentially be giving the Israeli armed forces complete freedom of movement for further clearing of the Gaza Strip.

The UN calls for safe corridors, free the hostages and supply more aid for humanitarian purposes, lets hope this happens.

I note that last week, 153 members of the UN General Assembly voted for a ceasefire, which was not subject to US veto.

While having no legal effect, I see this General Assembly vote as being a far better indicator of world opinion about what is happening in Gaza, than a veto constrained vote in the Security Council.

Those voting against were the US, Israel, Austria, Czechia, Guatemala, Liberia, Micronesia, Nauru, Papua New Guinea and Paraguay.

Among those abstaining were the UK, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Argentina, Malawi, the Netherlands, Ukraine, South Sudan, and Uruguay.

[Udon Map]

Clearly there are some. The big difference is that this is existential for Israel, it must win, and destroy Hamas. Vietnam for the U.S. was merely an element of our foreign policy. No threat to our existence.

I recognise your earlier list of 20 proposals, but they have stretched over a period of many years, and many different political, social and economic movements.

Exactly. And through them all, the one constant has been the Palestinian refusal to negotiate a two state solution.

While having no legal effect, I see this General Assembly vote as being a far better indicator of world opinion about what is happening in Gaza, than a veto constrained vote in the Security Council.

I agree with you on what the vote says about world opinion. Fortunately for Israel, it doesn't base its policies on world opinion.

[jackspratt]

While having no legal effect, I see this General Assembly vote as being a far better indicator of world opinion about what is happening in Gaza, than a veto constrained vote in the Security Council.

I agree with you on what the vote says about world opinion. Fortunately for Israel, it doesn't base its policies on world opinion.

I guess while Israel has the US Congress in some sort of unfathomable political capture, they can afford to ignore the rest of the world.

I suspect that time is rapidly diminishing, even within the US.

[tamada]

While having no legal effect, I see this General Assembly vote as being a far better indicator of world opinion about what is happening in Gaza, than a veto constrained vote in the Security Council.

I agree with you on what the vote says about world opinion. Fortunately for Israel, it doesn't base its policies on world opinion.

I guess while Israel has the US Congress in some sort of unfathomable political capture, they can afford to ignore the rest of the world.

I suspect that time is rapidly diminishing, even within the US.

And I suspect that the special relationship will endure. Just my opinion.

[glalt]

While having no legal effect, I see this General Assembly vote as being a far better indicator of world opinion about what is happening in Gaza, than a veto constrained vote in the Security Council.

I agree with you on what the vote says about world opinion. Fortunately for Israel, it doesn't base its policies on world opinion.

I guess while Israel has the US Congress in some sort of unfathomable political capture, they can afford to ignore the rest of the world.

I suspect that time is rapidly diminishing, even within the US.

And I suspect that the special relationship will endure. Just my opinion.

These August world organizations over the years have made many offers to the Palestinians to settle their grievances. All solutions were rejected. They have failed to understand that the main goal is to eliminate and destroy Israel and the Jews. That is the reason the Palestinians refuse to negotiate. Israel is fighting for their very existence.

[FrazeeDK]

there are over a million palestinian Israeli citizens. They for the most part don't seem anti-Jewish or anti-Israel. I imagine your average Palestinian in the West Bank (not Gaza) just wants a normal life. Its the old gerontocracy of corrupt Fatah/PLO that runs the place and with a heavy hand. Then the Hamas elements in the background in the West Bank, all cleaving to their charter's goal of eliminating all Jews. Gaza is a separate story by itself, a Hamas enclave that no matter how much Israel digs out Hamas isn't likely to change. If things get too bad for Hamas there they'll just put on civvies and melt into the 2 million others there.

[jackspratt]

Says it all, really.

‘If Jesus was born today, he’d be born under the rubble’: Bethlehem set for forlorn Christmas

At Bethlehem’s Lutheran Evangelical church, the nativity scene looks very different this Christmas. Instead of a cot in a hay-filled manger, the baby doll has been wrapped in the famous black and white keffiyeh associated with Palestine, and lies among broken breeze blocks and paving slabs....

..... Munther Isaac, the pastor of the Lutheran church, said he wanted to send the world a message with this year’s nativity scene. “This is the reality of Christmas for Palestinian children,” he said. “If Jesus was born today, he’d be born under the rubble of Gaza.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ger-square

[Udon Map]

Says it all, really.

‘If Jesus was born today, he’d be born under the rubble’: Bethlehem set for forlorn Christmas

At Bethlehem’s Lutheran Evangelical church, the nativity scene looks very different this Christmas. Instead of a cot in a hay-filled manger, the baby doll has been wrapped in the famous black and white keffiyeh associated with Palestine, and lies among broken breeze blocks and paving slabs....

..... Munther Isaac, the pastor of the Lutheran church, said he wanted to send the world a message with this year’s nativity scene. “This is the reality of Christmas for Palestinian children,” he said. “If Jesus was born today, he’d be born under the rubble of Gaza.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ger-square

No, it doesn't. Let's not forget how all this started: https://www.ft.com/content/209de510-e4d ... 86af6a1f8a

[jackspratt]

No one is forgetting, or minimising how it started.

But how is it going to end?

Israeli airstrike kills Gaza aid worker and 70 of his extended family, UN says

An Israeli military airstrike killed more than 70 members of an extended family, including a veteran UN aid worker, as the UN secretary general warned that the scale of death and destruction inside Gaza is blocking delivery of desperately needed aid.

Issam al-Mughrabi, 56, was killed with his wife, five children and dozens of other relatives in a bombing near Gaza City, said the head of the UN development programme (UNDP) in a statement that also called for an urgent ceasefire.

No indication that any of them were Hamas.

Fourteen Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza as Hamas militants dig in, despite continued Israeli bombardment

At least 166 Palestinians were killed in Gaza in the past 24 hours and 384 others injured, the Gaza health ministry said on Sunday, raising the death toll to 20,424 Palestinians killed and 54,036 injured since October 7.

Meanwhile, Israel sustained notable casualties in a series of battles over the weekend as the Israeli Defense Force intensified its military campaign in Gaza.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-25/ ... /103263338

[Udon Map]

Fourteen Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza as Hamas militants dig in, despite continued Israeli bombardment

[snip]

Meanwhile, Israel sustained notable casualties in a series of battles over the weekend as the Israeli Defense Force intensified its military campaign in Gaza.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-25/ ... /103263338

No indication that it was Hamas? Oh my, you're serious, aren't you. Who else might it have been? The Viet Cong? Russia?

The Israeli Army Radio reportedly said four soldiers were killed when their car was hit by an anti-tank missile, while others were killed in separate fighting incidents.

Do you think that anyone else is firing anti-tank missiles in the area? https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... d-in-gaza/

[jackspratt]

No indication that it was Hamas? Oh my, you're serious, aren't you.

Yes I am.

Stop jumping at shadows.

It was a reference to the quote preceding it.

[Udon Map]

No indication that it was Hamas? Oh my, you're serious, aren't you.

Yes I am.

Stop jumping at shadows.

It was a reference to the quote preceding it.

Sorry, that wasn't clear.

We don't know how many, if any, were Hamas because Hamas combines deaths of its fighters and civilians into one number, according to the Wall Street Journal (December 5th article).

Health authorities in the Hamas-run territory say around 15,900 people have been killed in Gaza since the war began, most of them women and children. The figure doesn’t distinguish between militants and civilians.

[Khun Paul]

Hamas is a a TERRORIST entity which lies to itself,its members and the public ut states to serve, while at the same time has declared publically its intention to basically finish what HITLER AND THE THIRD REICH STARTED .

#Now do you think for one moment that anything that comes out from its PRESS information IS GOING TO BE THE TRUTH THEN YOU ARE LIKE many who have been sucked into believing a Murdering entity/
Israel although not perfect does hold the torch for better credibility.

[Udon Map]

Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject Gaza gov. overhaul for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say

Add this rejection to the list.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/

[tamada]

Israeli airstrike in Syria kills senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards member

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/

The IDF takes out the trash again. Well done.

[Doodoo]

Tam
This idea that eliminating a so called Bad Guy is a waste. Lose one, another slides in, therefore what is the gain?

[tamada]

Tam
This idea that eliminating a so called Bad Guy is a waste. Lose one, another slides in, therefore what is the gain?

What do you mean 'so called Bad Guy''? When the deceased general is the known military adviser to a terrorist organization, sure as my arse points downwards, he isn't giving Hezbollah lessons in macramé.

But to answer your conundrum, the IDF and Allies simply need to take out the trash faster or more often, or both.

Better still, hit the grand dumpster in Teheran.