Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[AlexO]

Really, the ICIJ?
Why not ask for an interview with the Hamas leaders living the life in Qatar.
Getting PA The TIC
My good man.

[jackspratt]

Hasn't it already been demonstrated that the ICJ is a biased organisation that is pro-Hamas and anti-Israel? Therefore, it is difficult to take any of their decisions in the Israel-Hamas War seriously.

Not that I am aware of - can you point out where?

This decision is also about the occupation, rather than the war.

No update, Uncle?

[jackspratt]

https://www.icj-cij.org/contact-the-court

If you don't get an answer from the ICJ, try this one:

https://myaccount.economist.com/s/artic ... the-Editor

[Laan Yaa Mo]

There are too many pages to leaf through. When I have lots of time and not too bored, I'll give it a go. Wait a sec., let me try google.

Here's one from that reliable pro-democracy (except when it comes to Hong Kong) Wall Street Journal. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/19 ... st-israel/

However, that is not the reference I first saw on this thread.

[jackspratt]

Just for context, there were 15 Judges sitting on the ICJ bench for this judgement.

For these reasons, THE COURT,

- By eleven votes to four,

Is of the opinion that the State of Israel’s continued presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is unlawful;

- By eleven votes to four,

Is of the opinion that the State of Israel is under an obligation to bring to an end its unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory as rapidly as possible;

- By fourteen votes to one,

Is of the opinion that the State of Israel is under an obligation to cease immediately all new settlement activities, and to evacuate all settlers from the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- By fourteen votes to one,

Is of the opinion that the State of Israel has the obligation to make reparation for the damage caused to all the natural or legal persons concerned in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- By twelve votes to three,

Is of the opinion that all States are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation arising from the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by the continued presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- By twelve votes to three,

Is of the opinion that international organizations, including the United Nations, are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation arising from the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- By twelve votes to three,

Is of the opinion that the United Nations, and especially the General Assembly, which requested this opinion, and the Security Council, should consider the precise modalities and further action required to bring to an end as rapidly as possible the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

I have removed a couple of procedural votes for brevity, along with details of the voting of the various judges in the different decisions. They, along with the full text of the judgement, can all be found here https://www.un.org/unispal/document/sum ... j-19jul24/

[tamada]

Since when has it ever been the Occupied Palestinian Territory? Right up until very recently, it's been simply the Occupied Territories or the Israeli Occupied Territories.

Don't quote Wikipedia as that is being re-written to frame the current narrative that it is (always has been) Palestinian land.

I do agree that Israel has absolutely no business allowing their settlers to build permanent structures there.

[tamada]

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/i ... ah-lebanon

[jackspratt]

Israel preparing to jump the shark, by legislating, without reviewable evidence, that the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) is a terrorist organisation.

Israeli parliament votes to label UN relief agency a terror organisation

JERUSALEM, July 22 (Reuters) - The Israeli parliament gave preliminary approval on Monday to a bill that declares the main United Nations relief organization for Palestinians a terrorist organisation and proposes to sever relations with the body.
The vote against the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) is the latest step in a Israeli push against the agency, which Israeli leaders have accused of collaborating with the Islamist movement Hamas in Gaza.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-07-22/

In the meantime, the slaughter in Gaza continues.

[tamada]

Israel preparing to jump the shark, by legislating, without reviewable evidence, that the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) is a terrorist organisation.

Israeli parliament votes to label UN relief agency a terror organisation

JERUSALEM, July 22 (Reuters) - The Israeli parliament gave preliminary approval on Monday to a bill that declares the main United Nations relief organization for Palestinians a terrorist organisation and proposes to sever relations with the body.
The vote against the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) is the latest step in a Israeli push against the agency, which Israeli leaders have accused of collaborating with the Islamist movement Hamas in Gaza.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-07-22/

In the meantime, the slaughter in Gaza continues.

One less place for Hamas to hide.

[jackspratt]

One less place for Hamas to hide.

Meanwhile, 9 months later .....

[tamada]

One less place for Hamas to hide.

Meanwhile, 9 months later .....

Nine months ago, UNRWA wasn't known to be chock-full of Palestinian sympath... sorry, I mean Hamas enablers.

[rick]

Another school bombed in Gaza. of course, IDF claims there was a hidden Hamas base there. 30 Hamas women and children killed? IDF claims are becoming like a broken record.

[Whistler]

Israel was attacked by hamas terrorists and was entitled to hit back, and hit back hard, but this assault on Gaza is way, way out of control with Israel committing war crimes on a massive scale. I commend Kamala for calling out the war criminal Netanyahu.

This slaughter must end.

[AlexO]

Israel was attacked by hamas terrorists and was entitled to hit back, and hit back hard, but this assault on Gaza is way, way out of control with Israel committing war crimes on a massive scale. I commend Kamala for calling out the war criminal Netanyahu.

This slaughter must end.

Just what massive War Crimes are you accusing Israel of?
Just a list and a who and where the verification of these War Crimes come from would be enough to prove your statement.
Good to note the accusation of Genocide (now slaughter)has been dropped due to derision of the Goebbels style propaganda so fondly accepted without question by some parties.

[Whistler]

Read on Alex

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement- ... tion-state

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Israel was attacked by hamas terrorists and was entitled to hit back, and hit back hard, but this assault on Gaza is way, way out of control with Israel committing war crimes on a massive scale. I commend Kamala for calling out the war criminal Netanyahu.

This slaughter must end.

Does this mean that Israel should end their participation; however, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups should be free to send missiles into Israel and continue with their 'from the river to the sea strategy'? Maybe the Vice-President should have advised Hamas to open up their tunnels to the general population for use as bomb shelters, no. Possibly such a strategy would lead to fewer deaths of the general population. Oh, and how about telling Hamas to end their habit of donning civilian clothes and melting into the general population, which increases the chances of innocents getting hurt. After all, this is not a one-sided war. In fact, there is a number of other steps Hamas could adopt to lead to a ceasefire. One hopes the Vice-President will alert the leaders of Hamas and the others that they too contain war criminals (more so than Netanyahu) and need to do their part to end the conflict.

Hamas must be defeated.

[Whistler]

Civilians are not cannon fodder for either side. Hamas leaders are also war criminals, but fingerpointing will.not end the slaughter of civilians. That is now the only group that has the military power to stop the slaughter of innocents in Gaza

[Udon Map]

Civilians are not cannon fodder for either side. Hamas leaders are also war criminals, but fingerpointing will.not end the slaughter of civilians. That is now the only group that has the military power to stop the slaughter of innocents in Gaza.

Israel? You don't think that Hamas' returning the hostages would end/reduce civilian deaths? How about allowing Gazan civilians to shelter in Hamas' tunnels? Or recognizing Israel's right to exist? Or renouncing it's stated goal of ridding the world of Jews? None of those would reduce civilian deaths???

[Whistler]

I hear what you are saying about the hostages but cannot agree with your logic. Killing thousands of Palestinian civilians is not the way to go. Prisoner swaps seems to work better.

[Udon Map]

I hear what you are saying about the hostages but cannot agree with your logic. Killing thousands of Palestinian civilians is not the way to go. Prisoner swaps seems to work better.

I don't disagree, but Hamas won't agree to a prisoner swap. Last I read earlier today, Hamas is now arguing about when it will share the names of the prisoners to be released on each release date. IMO this is purely a stalling tactic. Hamas knows that it loses most/all of its bargaining power once it holds no more Israeli hostages, regardless of dead or alive. And Hamas obviously has no interest in reducing casualties of civilian Gazans.