Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Go for it LYM, no deflection just saying like it is. Report the post and see where it gets you. This post will still be here tomorrow and the day after and the day after that.

Kamala objected to the killing of innocents in Gaza, she has made no statements about the assassination of Hamas thugs. If you claim differently please post anything, anything at all that refutes what I have to say. Otherwise your comments are without substance

Oh Whistler, you really need to give your head a shake. The question was in regard to the Hamas and Hezbollah leaders who were killed today, and how Kamala will react. Does one expect a positive, negative or no comment response by her. It's as simple as that. I will leave the reporting of posts to you. It seems to be one of your obsessions/guilty pleasures.

[Whistler]

Lym, you don't know and I don't know. At least you acknowledge that killing of Hamas ar$eholes is only losely related to the invasion of Gaza as against the darstedly terrorist attack on Israel

[AlexO]

It seems the UN Human Rights Office is saying that Israel has set up its own Abu Ghraib style prison and torture system within Israel.

- A report by the UN Human Rights Office says Palestinian prisoners are being subjected to waterboarding, electric shocks and other forms of torture in Israeli prisons.

- More than 9,400 "security detainees", many seized in Gaza since Israel's war in the territory began, include doctors, nurses and women and children.

- The UN High Commissioner has called for the prisoners' immediate release as well as the hostages taken by Hamas during the October 7 attack.

Thousands of Palestinian prisoners have been subjected to waterboarding, sleep deprivation, electric shocks, the release of dogs on them and other forms of torture and mistreatment, according to a report by the UN Human Rights Office.

The report on detention, released on Wednesday local time, said Israel's prison service held more than 9,400 "security detainees" as of the end of June, and some have been held in secret without access to lawyers or respect for their legal rights.......
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-31/ ... /104166500

Not a good look for the "good guys".

Many of those seized in Gaza since the war began on October 7 were taken at checkpoints as they fled Israel's military offensive, or from the schools and hospitals where they were sheltering, said the 23-page report based primarily on interviews with released detainees and other victims and witnesses.

Yip
The dastardly Israelis do all the torture and secret detentions stuff and then release poor 'innocent' Palestinians to then freely discuss all this with the UN. Seems as if the Hamas Propaganda machine is working overtime again.
Please note the UN has no access to the detention facilities.
But the ABC have published it, so it must be factual.

[jackspratt]

But the ABC have published it, so it must be factual.

Wrong again, Alex.

The United Nations Human Rights Office published it - the ABC merely reported it, as any responsible media outlet should do.

[tamada]

But the ABC have published it, so it must be factual.

Wrong again, Alex.

The United Nations Human Rights Office published it - the ABC merely reported it, as any responsible media outlet should do.

Oh my, a "responsible media outlet"? In this day and age?

Thanks for trying.

[jackspratt]

Oh my, a "responsible media outlet"? In this day and age?

Yep - and it certainly ain't the oft quoted Russia Today (RT).

You're welcome.

[tamada]

Oh my, a "responsible media outlet"? In this day and age?

Yep - and it certainly ain't the oft quoted Russia Today (RT).

You're welcome.

Priceless. Absolutely so.

Meanwhile, over at Sky, Der Spiegel, BBC, New York Times, NBC, Washington Post, Fox, Telegraph, ABC (all flavors), Le Monde and Al Jazeera, the work of honest, unbiased journalism and untainted news reporting goes on.

...and on and on and on.

[AlexO]

But the ABC have published it, so it must be factual.

Wrong again, Alex.

The United Nations Human Rights Office published it - the ABC merely reported it, as any responsible media outlet should do.

Not wrong Pratt My Good Chap.
The absolutely unbiased ABC 'reported' a UN Human Rights Office statement without it seems any sort of verifiable checking or named person evidence, therefor in effect ABC are as biased as the Hamas Propaganda Office just repeating any Anti-Semitic statement.
by jackspratt » July 29, 2024, 9:12 p
glalt wrote: ↑July 29, 2024, 6:26 pm
Since AI, Google is NOT your friend. There is nothing that you can trust to be true.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Had a serious wee chuckle at that statement. Must be terrible to be so naive or something else, that you never question a Verifiable International Source.

[jackspratt]

Not wrong Pratt My Good Chap.
The absolutely unbiased ABC 'reported' a UN Human Rights Office statement without it seems any sort of verifiable checking or named person evidence, therefor in effect ABC are as biased as the Hamas Propaganda Office just repeating any Anti-Semitic statement.
by jackspratt » July 29, 2024, 9:12 p
glalt wrote: ↑July 29, 2024, 6:26 pm
Since AI, Google is NOT your friend. There is nothing that you can trust to be true.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Had a serious wee chuckle at that statement. Must be terrible to be so naive or something else, that you never question a Verifiable International Source.

Hi Alex

That's a bit of a shambles of a post, but let me try and respond.

Firstly, why do you keep making reference to the term "Verifiable International Source"? It's not one that I have ever used, so I guess you have just invented it.

Here's a bit of reading for you - none of them are the Oz ABC, and there's plenty more where they came from:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cglkvjr7lx0o
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-report ... treatment/
https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-pa ... b10f4c35ff

Here's the report itself - perhaps you could read it for yourself, and give us a précis.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... -subjected
https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/repo ... ities-gaza

Alex's definition of a "rag"

Any media which prints or broadcasts something he doesn't agree with.

[tamada]

Nice. The head of TWO snakes blown off at almost the same time. Good job, well done.

Unfortunately, their perceived martyrdom will only incite more of the same from the legions who don't care if they or their families including children die in the name of their God.

Israel has to be absolutely relentless in this long game for their national survival.

Oops...make that three with Mohammed Deif blown to buggery last month as well.

[AlexO]

Alex's definition of a "rag"
Any media which prints or broadcasts something he doesn't agree with.

So you have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch's media outlets?
You really are a self opinionated Nice Chap.

[AlexO]

Not wrong Pratt My Good Chap.
The absolutely unbiased ABC 'reported' a UN Human Rights Office statement without it seems any sort of verifiable checking or named person evidence, therefor in effect ABC are as biased as the Hamas Propaganda Office just repeating any Anti-Semitic statement.
by jackspratt » July 29, 2024, 9:12 p
glalt wrote: ↑July 29, 2024, 6:26 pm
Since AI, Google is NOT your friend. There is nothing that you can trust to be true.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Had a serious wee chuckle at that statement. Must be terrible to be so naive or something else, that you never question a Verifiable International Source.

Hi Alex

That's a bit of a shambles of a post, but let me try and respond.

Firstly, why do you keep making reference to the term "Verifiable International Source"? It's not one that I have ever used, so I guess you have just invented it.

Here's a bit of reading for you - none of them are the Oz ABC, and there's plenty more where they came from:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cglkvjr7lx0o
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-report ... treatment/
https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-pa ... b10f4c35ff

Here's the report itself - perhaps you could read it for yourself, and give us a précis.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... -subjected
https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/repo ... ities-gaza

Alex's definition of a "rag"

Any media which prints or broadcasts something he doesn't agree with.

Again, just quoting little sections from articles that are only quoting statements from 'released' prisoners. No verifiable evidence, no names or photographs, just interviews with 'released' Palestinians.
Israel the first nation in the world to torture people and then release them.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Thanks for the laugh.

[jackspratt]

So you have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch's media outlets?

I certainly do - they have been proven time and time again to be polluted with shi.t, along with their phone hacking, and downright lying in the case of Fox.

Now, what did you glean from reading the many reports about the Israeli prisons I linked for your edification?

[AlexO]

So you have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch's media outlets?

I certainly do - they have been proven time and time again to be polluted with shi.t, along with their phone hacking, and downright lying in the case of Fox.

Now, what did you glean from reading the many reports about the Israeli prisons I linked for your edification?

All quoting a UN report acknowledging that the information comes from released Palestinians. Absolutely no first hand knowledge, just Hamas Propaganda. You seriously cannot be so anti-sematic that this becomes fact.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.

[jackspratt]

All quoting a UN report acknowledging that the information comes from released Palestinians.

Yep - that's what is known as first-hand knowledge, ie people who were there, and saw and heard what was happening.

After all, Israel isn't about to allow neutral observers into their prisons if they are operating as modern day Abu Ghraibs as alleged in the report, are they?

Israel the first nation in the world to torture people and then release them.

Nope.

Any update on the "Verifiable International Source" term?

[AlexO]

Stop with the semantics.
Start addressing the real issues, who and when were the released Palestinians interviewed. Are you so focussed on Pro Arab policies that you quote as 'fact' any anti Israel headlines.
Even the UN states the report is based on released people interviews but unverified.
Doctors, nurses , children, women all just lifted from the peaceful streets of Gaza and subjected to torture etc then released to report on the Nasty IDF.
Much the same as the Genocide and Starvation of a nation, absolute false propaganda.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Start living up to your opinion of yourself.

[jackspratt]

The report was released yesterday, Alex.

I haven't seen any denial or refuting yet from the Israeli authorities - have you?

FYI, and ask yourself why:

Israel has denied the International Committee of the Red Cross access to all Palestinian detainees in its custody since October 7. https://www.voanews.com/a/un-report-isr ... 24526.html

ps when did the streets of Gaza become peaceful?

[AlexO]

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The report was released yesterday, Alex.

I haven't seen any denial or refuting yet from the Israeli authorities - have you?

FYI, and ask yourself why:

Israel has denied the International Committee of the Red Cross access to all Palestinian detainees in its custody since October 7. https://www.voanews.com/a/un-report-isr ... 24526.html

ps when did the streets of Gaza become peaceful?

Thousands of Palestinians have been arbitrarily and secretly detained, subjected to torture and mistreatment by Israeli authorities since the October 7 attack by Hamas that touched off the war in Gaza, according to a report published Wednesday by the U.N. Human Rights Office.

So a denial is required.
If I was an Israeli I would not even acknowledge such nonsense.
You are according to you, a Western educated person, supposedly capable of analytical thought,
If this was from Poo Tins propaganda machine would you show the same fawning belief in every non verified report?

I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.
Pretty much failed so far. Never mind. My really good chappy. Hope no grammar mistakes, will never sleep tonight.

[AlexO]

So you have no opinion on Rupert Murdoch's media outlets?

I certainly do - they have been proven time and time again to be polluted with shi.t, along with their phone hacking, and downright lying in the case of Fox.

Now, what did you glean from reading the many reports about the Israeli prisons I linked for your edification?

My edification see's all the leftie press only repeating the same pathetic, unverified report from the UN hand wringers. prove me wrong.
I'll be happy to trust my instincts, guided by my experience, which have served me pretty well so far.

[jackspratt]

But it's not Putin (a really feeble deflection BTW) is it Alex - it's the United Nations, and yet to be denied by Israel.

Do you have any suspicions about why the International Red Cross is refused observer access to the Israeli prisons, to check on allegedly tortured Palestinian prisoners?

Any update on the "Verifiable International Source"?