UK upside down.

[glalt]

It appears that the UK's liberal immigration policies are showing the error of their ways. One benefit of this problem is that the UK natives are uniting like never before. It certainly looks like there will soon be bloodshed. Too much is too much and the natives are criticizing the government and the police in particular.

[tamada]

Right wing 'activists' inciting rioting, destroying property and beating up law enforcement is a societal benefit?

After your own 6 January 'uniting of the natives', of course it is.

Anyway, the not-so mainstream media appears to have a lot to answer for. Isn't it amazing how the easily-led are... easily led?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... -violence/

[glalt]

The UK government created this situation and the government has to figure out how to solve it. I would guess that with money being tight and illegals being supported by the government, that irritates the natives and the best way to calm things down is deportment. The UK simply cannot afford to be too generous.

[tamada]

The UK government created this situation and the government has to figure out how to solve it. I would guess that with money being tight and illegals being supported by the government, that irritates the natives and the best way to calm things down is deportment. The UK simply cannot afford to be too generous.

The previous UK government didn't create this, but they certainly were asleep at the wheel for long enough and didn't address it. Now, a new government (different party) has to sort it out. BTW, the previous government's hair-brained 'deportation' idea is a significant contributor to their recent loss of power. As for "illegals being supported by the government", all you're doing is parroting the right-is-white activists jingoistic nonsense.

[AlexO]

Not sure its that easy Tam.
Watching old Sir Hindsight promising to hammer the "FAR RIGHT" rioters with 24 hour courts and guaranteed judicial sentences. A wee bit different from 2011 when he was top gun in the CPS (not in the public interest).
Dont condone the attacks on police etc and never will, but if Starmer and his crowd cannot see the difference in shouting "Stop the Boats" or mobs of protestors marching through London every weekend shouting "Kill the Jews" then the UK is basically screwed. Would be interesting to know what description he uses for these 'peaceful' protestors, FAR LEFT?

[Drunk Monkey]

Rioting spreading to smaller towns across the UK now ... sad times indeed.

Starmer blaming the far right was always going to be his route but its way off the mark and being called out for escalating the violence.

Before the forum lefties start i do not condone the trouble on both sides but it is so painfully obvious multiculturalism has failed and the huge influx of migrants who seem to be getting favourable treatment over the everyday Brit is the route cause.

Two tier policing ?? check the many media outlets covering these riots .. with huge numbers of British patriots squaring off with high numbers of Asian / Islamic people there were 178 arrested yesterday only 4 were Asian , stabbing and hammer attack on English guys by Asians on open video no action taken but "Steve" kicks a wheelie bin over and done for public disorder as instructed by 2 Tier Kier.

Its only gonna get worse , more violence and with gangs on both sides on the hunt murders will happen if they havent already.

DM

[jackspratt]

Patriots?

If patriotism is measured by civil disorder, thuggery, fraud and contempt, I see one of England's greatest patriots has legged-it to avoid yet another court hearing.

Tommy Robinson's key convictions and other findings

2005: Jailed for assault occasioning actual bodily harm (12 months)

2011: Community order for football brawl (12 months)

2013: Travelling on another man's passport to the USA (jailed for 10 months)

2014: Mortgage fraud (jailed for 18 months)

May 2017: Contempt of Court finding, three months jail suspended for 18 months

July 2019: Jailed for nine months for interfering with a grooming gang trial in Leeds.

July 2021: Loses defamation case and ordered to pay Syrian refugee £100,000

July 2024: Fails to attend Contempt of Court hearing for allegedly repeating false claims about the refugee

Other offences: Possession of drugs, threatening behaviour and breach of court order

[rick]

Immigration is an issue, and one problem is that illegals get put up in hotels because there is a housing shortage. Meanwhile plenty of natives are homeless, or living in poverty. But, illegals account for only 3% of migrants. The other 97% supposedly met the conditions of a visa; however i suspect fraud is widespread. My son told me of one likely case:-

In Bordon, an rural ex-army town with high levels of unemployment, a Greggs bakery opened. 5 people were working in the shop, all Indians with rather poor English. Where were the locals? No way were they recruited via the local job centre. Suspect it is a franchise and the franchise owner has filled it with his relatives from back home.

Just also want to say, the rioting moronic thugs attacked Muslims and mosques, when the knife wielder was not a muslim or an immigrant, being UK born.

Large scale immigration is an issue, but pogroms are not the solution.

[tamada]

Immigration is an issue, and one problem is that illegals get put up in hotels because there is a housing shortage. Meanwhile plenty of natives are homeless, or living in poverty. But, illegals account for only 3% of migrants. The other 97% supposedly met the conditions of a visa; however i suspect fraud is widespread. My son told me of one likely case:-

In Bordon, an rural ex-army town with high levels of unemployment, a Greggs bakery opened. 5 people were working in the shop, all Indians with rather poor English. Where were the locals? No way were they recruited via the local job centre. Suspect it is a franchise and the franchise owner has filled it with his relatives from back home.

Just also want to say, the rioting moronic thugs attacked Muslims and mosques, when the knife wielder was not a muslim or an immigrant, being UK born.

Large scale immigration is an issue, but pogroms are not the solution.

Thanks for pointing out decades of no investment in affordable housing and those illegal migrant percentages.

BTW, there is a culture of drawing a dole cheque and claiming benefits over working. No reason to think that making sausage rolls is a better option for the perpetual, professional bludger.

[AlexO]

Thought Starmers Sunday televised performance was probably the worst ever from a political leader.
Continually looking downwards at supposed notes, face completely expressionless, perhaps the least inspirational promise of the return of Law and Order to England's streets there ever could be.
Agree with DM that the continual 2 Tier Level policing of opposing groups (not only the Liebour Party's fault) has led a fair bit towards the current levels of unrest. Perhaps the Politico's and MSM should desist from calling every protest where people wave either Union Jacks or England flags HARD RIGHT/FASCIST and promising 'robust' policing rather than the tippy toe policing of the Muslim led anti Israel protests held every week.

[tamada]

Thought Starmers Sunday televised performance was probably the worst ever from a political leader.
Continually looking downwards at supposed notes, face completely expressionless, perhaps the least inspirational promise of the return of Law and Order to England's streets there ever could be.
Agree with DM that the continual 2 Tier Level policing of opposing groups (not only the Liebour Party's fault) has led a fair bit towards the current levels of unrest. Perhaps the Politico's and MSM should desist from calling every protest where people wave either Union Jacks or England flags HARD RIGHT/FASCIST and promising 'robust' policing rather than the tippy toe policing of the Muslim led anti Israel protests held every week.

Worst ever from a political leader? Hardly. You are already sounding a bit like a BBC host who I heard this morning cajoling a guest into agreeing that Starmer is all mooth an' troosers.

Of course, unless you think that Maduro, Trump, Kim Jong Un, Khameni, Bolsonaro, Lukashenko, Putin et al are or were doing a far better job, then maybe you have a point, but worst ever?

Don't forget that despite these riots happening on Starmer's one-month-old watch and the deplorable woke state of British policing, there's a solid dozen-or-so years of Tory whogivesafukcaboutthepeople to be dismantled.

So, in a nutshell, Rome wasn't built in a day and Starmer lacks charisma. There, sorted for you.

[AlexO]

Thought Starmers Sunday televised performance was probably the worst ever from a political leader.
Continually looking downwards at supposed notes, face completely expressionless, perhaps the least inspirational promise of the return of Law and Order to England's streets there ever could be.
Agree with DM that the continual 2 Tier Level policing of opposing groups (not only the Liebour Party's fault) has led a fair bit towards the current levels of unrest. Perhaps the Politico's and MSM should desist from calling every protest where people wave either Union Jacks or England flags HARD RIGHT/FASCIST and promising 'robust' policing rather than the tippy toe policing of the Muslim led anti Israel protests held every week.

Worst ever from a political leader? Hardly. You are already sounding a bit like a BBC host who I heard this morning cajoling a guest into agreeing that Starmer is all mooth an' troosers.

Of course, unless you think that Maduro, Trump, Kim Jong Un, Khameni, Bolsonaro, Lukashenko, Putin et al are or were doing a far better job, then maybe you have a point, but worst ever?

Don't forget that despite these riots happening on Starmer's one-month-old watch and the deplorable woke state of British policing, there's a solid dozen-or-so years of Tory whogivesafukcaboutthepeople to be dismantled.

So, in a nutshell, Rome wasn't built in a day and Starmer lacks charisma. There, sorted for you.

Tam
Perhaps I should have caveated the observation by the 'worst ever UK leader'.
I pointed out that it was not all the Liebour Party's fault, unfortunately The Woke culture has been prevalent in UK politics for far too long.
Just this morning, a quote from a UK Broadcaster that the trouble in Portsmouth occured after Anti-Fascist demonstrators held a counter protest. So they are the perceived good guys and the dastardly anti immigrant demonstrator's should be imprisoned and the keys thrown away.
Are they going to release all the Asian prisoners to make space in the overflowing prisons or just put the two groups in the same prisons and see what happens.

[Whistler]

Don't forget, the crazed guy whose act started this mess was born in the UK. I can only assume Alex thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriotic hero.

[dunroaming]

Don't forget, the crazed guy whose act started this mess was born in the UK. I can only assume Alex thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriotic hero.

Why attack Alex, seems you are obsessed with Alex but if someone critisicis you it's straight bullying get a life

[tamada]

Thought Starmers Sunday televised performance was probably the worst ever from a political leader.
Continually looking downwards at supposed notes, face completely expressionless, perhaps the least inspirational promise of the return of Law and Order to England's streets there ever could be.
Agree with DM that the continual 2 Tier Level policing of opposing groups (not only the Liebour Party's fault) has led a fair bit towards the current levels of unrest. Perhaps the Politico's and MSM should desist from calling every protest where people wave either Union Jacks or England flags HARD RIGHT/FASCIST and promising 'robust' policing rather than the tippy toe policing of the Muslim led anti Israel protests held every week.

Worst ever from a political leader? Hardly. You are already sounding a bit like a BBC host who I heard this morning cajoling a guest into agreeing that Starmer is all mooth an' troosers.

Of course, unless you think that Maduro, Trump, Kim Jong Un, Khameni, Bolsonaro, Lukashenko, Putin et al are or were doing a far better job, then maybe you have a point, but worst ever?

Don't forget that despite these riots happening on Starmer's one-month-old watch and the deplorable woke state of British policing, there's a solid dozen-or-so years of Tory whogivesafukcaboutthepeople to be dismantled.

So, in a nutshell, Rome wasn't built in a day and Starmer lacks charisma. There, sorted for you.

Tam
Perhaps I should have caveated the observation by the 'worst ever UK leader'.
I pointed out that it was not all the Liebour Party's fault, unfortunately The Woke culture has been prevalent in UK politics for far too long.
Just this morning, a quote from a UK Broadcaster that the trouble in Portsmouth occured after Anti-Fascist demonstrators held a counter protest. So they are the perceived good guys and the dastardly anti immigrant demonstrator's should be imprisoned and the keys thrown away.
Are they going to release all the Asian prisoners to make space in the overflowing prisons or just put the two groups in the same prisons and see what happens.

At least one mainstream UK broadcaster decided to publish the now disproven allegations from the obscure Channel3 Now website that falsely claimed the suspect was an asylum seeker called Ali Al Shakati, who was “on MI6’s watchlist”. Despite that being proven otherwise, the young and the gormless white kids are still attacking cops and Muslims.

Now we have Musk wading in with his opinion that the UK is headed for civil war.

As for the already overcrowded prisons and Labour's earlier statement (before the stabbing) that early release was the only option for now to depressurize the system, I am buggered if I know the answer to that one Alex. Have you tried asking your MP?

[Whistler]

Don't forget, the crazed guy whose act started this mess was born in the UK. I can only assume Alex thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriotic hero.

Why attack Alex, seems you are obsessed with Alex but if someone critisicis you it's straight bullying get a life

Thanks for the heads up, appreciate it

[AlexO]

Despite that being proven otherwise, the young and the gormless white kids are still attacking cops and Muslims.

Tam
You just have to watch the news reels. A fairly large percentage of them hardly qualify as young. As to gormless who knows perhaps Whistler identifies as such a person. Can we use the same adjective for some of the anti-fascists who also take to the streets compounding the problems.
Everyone in the UK used to have the absolute right to free speech, but the Woke politicians have now proclaimed that they decide what constitutes hate speech and what is not.
Couldn't name the MP in my home constituency but it's got to be a Liebour Party MP so no real answer available.

[Whistler]

What do you think of Tommy Robinson Alex? What do you think of people who attack the police? What do you think of the people that provided false information about the identity of the attacker?

[AlexO]

What do you think of Tommy Robinson Alex? What do you think of people who attack the police? What do you think of the people that provided false information about the identity of the attacker?

"Dont condone the attacks on police etc and never will"
Posted early yesterday morning so you obviously have difficulty understanding anything you disagree with.
Funny just watching a UK news article showing gangs of Asian youths assaulting a public house in Birmingham and gang attacking a white individual who was sitting having a quiet pint.
Very noticeable that no riot police presence during all these happenings.
Hopefully the full force of the law will be brought to bear on these 'anti-fascists' as well or is this another example of 2 tier policing.

[AlexO]

At least one mainstream UK broadcaster decided to publish the now disproven allegations from the obscure Channel3 Now website that falsely claimed the suspect was an asylum seeker called Ali Al Shakati, who was “on MI6’s watchlist”.
Tam
Who in holy hell watches Channel 3.
Not condoning any false reporting or propaganda.
Thought that is obvious from responses to certain posts about the inaccurate propaganda in other threads.