Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[AlexO]

https://gsna.co.il/project/bbc-the-middle-east-bureau/

Seriously Pratty?
Super PA THE TIC
Maybe smoke getting into your eyes from the nether regions.

[Udon Map]

Throughout the Gazan war.

https://theweek.com/world-news/middle-e ... airstrikes

Why are you including a report from 2021 ie 3 years ago?

I should have been clearer. It is and has always been the policy of Israel to try to avoid civilian casualties where possible. Warning civilians of an upcoming air strike is a big part of that strategy.

[jackspratt]

I should have been clearer. It is and has always been the policy of Israel to try to avoid civilian casualties where possible. Warning civilians of an upcoming air strike is a big part of that strategy.

The results so far in this conflict - 40,000 casualties and climbing, clearly show the policy to be ineffective, or a sham.

[tamada]

I should have been clearer. It is and has always been the policy of Israel to try to avoid civilian casualties where possible. Warning civilians of an upcoming air strike is a big part of that strategy.

The results so far in this conflict - 40,000 casualties and climbing, clearly show the policy to be ineffective, or a sham.

Do you acknowledge or accept that Israel's enemies relentlessly use the human shield defense?

[jackspratt]

Do you acknowledge or accept that Israel's enemies relentlessly use the human shield defense?

Yes, I understand both sides are illegally doing it.

Haaretz Investigation: Israeli Army Uses Palestinian Civilians to Inspect Potentially Booby-trapped Tunnels in Gaza

Our lives are more important than their lives': Gazans not suspected of terrorism are detained and sent as human shields to search tunnels and houses before IDF soldiers enter, with the full knowledge of senior Israeli officers, several sources say; IDF claims this practice is forbidden
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... b6b99e0000

But that doesn't explain the grossly disproportionate number of deaths reported - which probably don't include the many still under tons of concrete of what used to be homes and apartment blocks.

[AlexO]

I should have been clearer. It is and has always been the policy of Israel to try to avoid civilian casualties where possible. Warning civilians of an upcoming air strike is a big part of that strategy.

The results so far in this conflict - 40,000 casualties and climbing, clearly show the policy to be ineffective, or a sham.

Unverified numbers and no mention of numbers of Hamas heroic fighters martyred in that number. Cherry picking again Pratty.
But at least you have dropped the laughable Genocide claims.

[jackspratt]

Unverified numbers and no mention of numbers of Hamas heroic fighters martyred in that number.

You clearly don't understand what "cherry -picking" means, Alex. But if you want an example, just look at the sentence above.

[dunroaming]

Cherries are expensive here haven't seen anywhere you can pick your own but JS might know?

[AlexO]

Unverified numbers and no mention of numbers of Hamas heroic fighters martyred in that number.

You clearly don't understand what "cherry -picking" means, Alex. But if you want an example, just look at the sentence above.

Having a wee "your wrong again" rant again Pratty?. You just cannot accept that your constant acceptance of everything the Hamas propaganda machine puts out just emphasises how totally shallow your stance on Israel's absolutely justifiable defence of their people is.

[jackspratt]

Another harrowing report* on a now slightly dated incident in Gaza, detailing innocent deaths, and a look inside the modus operandi of the IDF PR machine.

* Careful Alex - it's from you know where.

Hind Rajab’s death has already been forgotten. That’s exactly what Israel wants

The Israeli state has applied its usual strategy after this atrocity: deny, deflect, deceive, and wait for attention to move elsewhere

If you are ever in doubt about the nature of Israel’s onslaught against Gaza, remember this little girl. Hind Rajab was a five-year-old Palestinian with an adorable smile. On the morning of 29 January, she got in a Kia Picanto along with her aunt, uncle and several cousins. They were seeking to flee the Tel al-Hawa neighbourhood of Gaza City. The Israeli military fired on the car, killing everyone inside except for Hind and her 15-year-old cousin, Layan. A terrified Layan answered a call from the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS), informing them that a tank was firing on the car: in the recording, you hear her tortured screams as she is shot dead. When the PRCS rang back, Hind answered, now the only survivor, surrounded by the bloodied corpses of her six relatives. She also referred to a tank and begged to be rescued. At one point she told the operator it was getting dark and that she was scared.

After hours waiting for permission, the ministry of health negotiated safe access with the Israeli authorities for an ambulance. The paramedics arrived at about 6pm and were shot upon arrival. Two weeks later, their remains were recovered – along with the decomposed bodies of Hind and her family.......
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-atrocity

[tamada]

After talks with Netanyahu, Blinken suggesting that it's "now or never" with regard to a ceasefire and hostage resolution. I hope the imperative is real and tangible compared with the litany of "the end is nigh" predictions issued by Hamas, the anti-IDF collective, including EU "bleeding hearts" and various organs of the UN.

[Udon Map]

Another harrowing report* on a now slightly dated incident in Gaza, detailing innocent deaths, and a look inside the modus operandi of the IDF PR machine.

Sort of like the Hamas PR machine, which totally denied the incident in which a heroic Hamas freedom fighter raped an Israeli girl standing up from behind and shot her in the back of the head as he finished. According to the Hamas spokesperson, no Hamas fighter would do that because it is contrary to the teachings of Islam. Right. Got it.

[Udon Map]

Israel accepts U.S. proposal to bridge Gaza impasse and urges Hamas to do the same, Blinken says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza ... rcna167109

[FrazeeDK]

Key words, "Blinken says..." Well, I've been a-googling and can't find any story that says "Israeli government confirms agreement..."

[jackspratt]

So the negotiations continue.

Has Hamas really rejected a Gaza ceasefire deal, and has Israel really accepted it? Not exactly

If you believe the United States, then Israel and Hamas are close to reaching a ceasefire deal to end the fighting in Gaza.

But that's not what both parties are saying.

Hamas has said the most recent offer, a so-called "bridging proposal" that offers steps to end the war, is "essentially an Israeli proposal" that it can't accept......

Hamas says it incorporates new demands from Israel, such as:

- Keeping control of the Rafah crossing with Egypt and the Gaza-Egypt border corridor, or "Philadelphi Route".

- Maintaining Israel's military presence along the Netzarim Corridor, a line of troops and checkpoints Israel has established between north and south Gaza. This would allow Israel to inspect displaced persons returning to the north.

- Altering a pre-agreed prisoner exchange deal (reportedly to include an Israeli veto over high-security prisoners).

- Not committing to a permanent ceasefire and demanding a guarantee from America it could resume attacks..........

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-21/ ... /104249330

[Udon Map]

Key words, "Blinken says..." Well, I've been a-googling and can't find any story that says "Israeli government confirms agreement..."

Israel may have other motives for not saying so publicly. But if Blinken is lying about Israel's (possibly private) acceptance of the U.S. proposal, he's creating even bigger problems. He's a smart guy and knows that.

NBC wasn't the only news outlet reporting Israel's acceptance. There's PBS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/blink ... -by-israel

And this, from another PBS story:

A senior U.S. official rejected as “totally untrue” that Netanyahu had told Blinken that Israel would never leave the Philadelphi and Netzarim corridors.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/blin ... challenges

As we know, the fact remains that Hamas can't agree to anything. As soon as it returns the hostages it took from Israel, it loses pretty much all of its bargaining power. And I agree with Israel's holding firm on having all of the hostages released, as well as the ability to veto the release of high security prisoners it is holding. Remember, Hamas is holding mostly civilians, where Hamas is looking for Israel to release terrorists.

[rick]

It seems that Netanyahu is insisting on 'extra' details for the Ceasefire agreement, according to a senior US administration official.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6ynq1jwdqo

[Udon Map]

It seems that Netanyahu is insisting on 'extra' details for the Ceasefire agreement, according to a senior US administration official.

At least that's what's being reported by unnamed individuals who may or may not have been in the meeting between Blinken and Netanyahu. Here's what Blinken said about that:

Asked by the BBC whether Mr Netanyahu's reported claim that the Israeli leader had "convinced" Mr Blinken to keep troops in Gaza, he said: "I can't speak to what he's quoted as saying, I can just speak to what I heard from him directly yesterday [Monday] when we spent three hours together," he said.

And while I can't stand Netanyahu, it's hard to fault him for trying to achieve some, any, type of security for Israel. History tells us that as soon as Hamas gets the terrorist prisoners out of Israeli prisons, the rockets will start again.

[AlexO]

And while I can't stand Netanyahu, it's hard to fault him for trying to achieve some, any, type of security for Israel. History tells us that as soon as Hamas gets the terrorist prisoners out of Israeli prisons, the rockets will start again.
UM
Have they ever stopped?

[tamada]

And while I can't stand Netanyahu, it's hard to fault him for trying to achieve some, any, type of security for Israel. History tells us that as soon as Hamas gets the terrorist prisoners out of Israeli prisons, the rockets will start again.
UM
Have they ever stopped?

Hamas's rocketry may be temporarily interrupted, but Hezbollah's are still coming in.