Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[rick]

Israel doesn't help its poor standing on humanitarian issues when it has twice hit aid convoys this weekend. Too many 'accidents' keep happening.

[tamada]

Israel doesn't help its poor standing on humanitarian issues when it has twice hit aid convoys this weekend. Too many 'accidents' keep happening.

No thoughts on Hamas's "humanitarian issues" by killing more hostages? Maybe it was an accident too.

[jackspratt]

Is there a suggestion of a moral equivalence here?

[tamada]

Is there a suggestion of a moral equivalence here?

No. But it's a war zone where, thanks to Hamas's modus operandi, the lines are more blurred than usual.

[rick]

UK suspends SOME arms exports to Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd05pk95j2xo

Too little, too late.

[AlexO]

And they sacked Corbyn for anti-sematic views. Nothings changed apparently.

[AlexO]

Just noticed my reference to Change. How bloody simple can people be.

[Udon Map]

Eden was held hostage by Hamas terrorists in Gaza for 329 days. During this time, she was subjected to starvation before being brutally shot at point-blank range.

[jackspratt]

And on it goes.... with neither side seemingly interested in peace.

Israeli air strikes leave craters in Gazan tent camp as dozens dead and injured

At least 40 people have died after a tent camp in Khan Younis was struck by Israeli fire, leaving craters as deep as 9 metres, according to the Gazan civil emergency service.

The camp is in the designated humanitarian "safe zone" for Palestinians to evacuate to during Israel's invasion of the territory.

The Israeli military said it was targeting a Hamas command centre, with women and children among those injured.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-10/ ... /104331106

Another one of those ubiquitous "command centres".

[jackspratt]

HAMAS Command Centre

[AlexO]

And on it goes.... with neither side seemingly interested in peace.

Israeli air strikes leave craters in Gazan tent camp as dozens dead and injured

At least 40 people have died after a tent camp in Khan Younis was struck by Israeli fire, leaving craters as deep as 9 metres, according to the Gazan civil emergency service.

The camp is in the designated humanitarian "safe zone" for Palestinians to evacuate to during Israel's invasion of the territory.

The Israeli military said it was targeting a Hamas command centre, with women and children among those injured.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-10/ ... /104331106

Another one of those ubiquitous "command centres".

Screenshot 2024-09-10 at 13-17-06 15a597d8b8daf9aeb485dc9b73f1c989.avif (AVIF Image 862 × 485 pixels).png

Eh, verified by who? A 9M crater needs about a 500kg bomb. That will be the first in the long war on terrorism waged by Israel. Why are Israel just starting to use these munitions now. Hamas losing the propaganda war? Far smaller more accurate munitions in the Israeli arsenal.

[AlexO]

HAMAS Command Centre

Hamas Command Centre.jpg

And you know through experience Pratty. Yes/No.

[jackspratt]

Eh, verified by who? A 9M crater needs about a 500kg bomb. That will be the first in the long war on terrorism waged by Israel. Why are Israel just starting to use these munitions now. Hamas losing the propaganda war? Far smaller more accurate munitions in the Israeli arsenal.

Oh dear .....

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big ... index.html

[AlexO]

Eh, verified by who? A 9M crater needs about a 500kg bomb. That will be the first in the long war on terrorism waged by Israel. Why are Israel just starting to use these munitions now. Hamas losing the propaganda war? Far smaller more accurate munitions in the Israeli arsenal.

Oh dear .....

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big ... index.html

Aye Oh Dear, pathetic little man desperately hanging on to every anti- semitic post while saying nothing about the barbaric murdering terrorists actions apart from Israel deserves it.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

The author of this article seems to have it right. Hamas is a terrorist, not a resistance, organisation.

Mike Fegelman: Just like the Nazis, Hamas cannot be appeased — it must be defeated

In what has become regarded as one of the greatest speeches ever delivered in the English language, on June 4, 1940, during the Battle of France, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill addressed Parliament , in an attempt to encourage the United Kingdom as it fought the menace of Nazi Germany.

Near the close of his address, Churchill said that, “We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

Churchill’s speech was in sharp contrast to the words of his predecessor, Neville Chamberlain, who in 1938 returned from meeting Adolf Hitler and proclaimed that he had achieved “ peace in our time ” by allowing Germany to annex Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, after being assured that was the end of Hitler’s territorial ambitions.
Yet Churchill understood the deadly threat that Nazi Germany posed, and the moral necessity in combating it. No amount of negotiations or appeasement could possibly quench the blood thirst of an ideology that was dead-set on murdering its opponents.

That same clear-headedness appears to be in short supply these days. Today, another fascist ideology runs rampant in many parts of the world: radical Islamism. And in recent months, its bloodthirsty worldview has been on full display for the world to see.

On October 7, 1,200 Israelis were massacred by Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic terrorist group that seeks to perpetuate a genocide against the Jewish people with the violent destruction of Israel, just as the Nazis attempted 80 years earlier.

Although Hamas has made no effort to hide its genocidal intentions — and, in fact, actively shares it with anyone who will listen — far too many news outlets in Canada and abroad have framed the terrorist group as a “resistance” movement, whose dispute with Israel is purely territorial in nature, not existential. In this view, Jerusalem simply needs to vacate some of its historic lands and the conflict will abate.

This is pure fantasy. Hamas, in both deed and word, makes clear that it will stop at nothing until the State of Israel — home to nearly half the world’s Jews — is utterly destroyed. Hamas makes no distinction between civilians and combatants, nor between children and adults: they are all marked for death in the eyes of this terrorist group.

Hamas is just one cog in a much larger wheel, all originating in the Islamic Republic of Iran, which arms, funds and trains terrorist groups, including Lebanon’s Hezbollah and the Houthis in Yemen.

There is, quite literally, absolutely nothing Israel can do that would possibly pacify Hamas, but that has not stopped countless pundits, commentators and columnists from demanding that Israel effectively surrender to a demonic death cult that seeks the genocide of millions of people.

Over the last 19 years, since Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, which left zero Israelis in the coastal enclave, Hamas’s rocket capacity has drastically improved; its tunnel system, which has been used to smuggle in huge amounts of weapons, is a marvel of engineering that rivals any world-class subway system in length; and the group boasted tens of thousands of active fighters prior to its October 7 massacre.

Against such a fanatical enemy, driven not just by its extremist religious ideology, but a growing military ability, Israel simply has no choice but to combat Hamas, and to seek its destruction. Over the past 11 months, Israel has sought to do just that, while also setting a new standard in the protection of civilians in war, despite Hamas’s heinous use of its own people as human shields — points that have been widely ignored by the Canadian media.

Just as the United Kingdom and the Allies, including Canada, were morally permitted — and indeed required — to fight the violent menace of Nazi Germany, so too is Israel similarly obligated to fight the scourge of Hamas and other genocidal Islamist terrorist groups, which together threaten its very existence.

The violent threat of radical Islam is hardly a problem isolated to Israel. In recent weeks, an Islamic State plot to attack a Taylor Swift concert in Austria was foiled, suspected terrorists were arrested in Richmond Hill, Ont., allegedly preventing an imminent attack , and an Islamic State terrorist murdered multiple people in Germany. The list goes on.

Next year will mark 80 years since the defeat of Nazi Germany and the end of the Second World War. But it also marks the defeat of Nazi ideology. Since 1945, there have been individuals and groups that profess neo-Nazi ideologies, but they remain on the fringes of society, widely condemned and without any political power. Furthermore, Nazism no longer has territory over which to preside, nor the means and infrastructure to carry out its genocidal ambitions.

Similarly, although Hamas’s hateful ideas may never go away completely, Israel has a duty and a responsibility to ensure it no longer controls territory or maintains a fighting force capable of killing mass numbers of people.

As Churchill said in his first speech as prime minister about what Britain’s policy was against the Nazis, “I can answer in one word: it is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”

Although our enemies differ, Hamas’s goals are no less existential than the Nazis. Israel and the world’s objective, therefore, must be no different than Churchill’s: victory, victory at all costs against the terrorists of Hezbollah, Hamas and their puppet masters — the Iranian regime.

National Post



NP View: Canada must help bring Hamas down
Jesse Kline: Shameful western media still taking Hamas's fake death tolls at face value

National Post

[AlexO]

The author of this article seems to have it right. Hamas is a terrorist, not a resistance, organisation.

Mike Fegelman: Just like the Nazis, Hamas cannot be appeased — it must be defeated

In what has become regarded as one of the greatest speeches ever delivered in the English language, on June 4, 1940, during the Battle of France, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill addressed Parliament , in an attempt to encourage the United Kingdom as it fought the menace of Nazi Germany.

Near the close of his address, Churchill said that, “We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

Churchill’s speech was in sharp contrast to the words of his predecessor, Neville Chamberlain, who in 1938 returned from meeting Adolf Hitler and proclaimed that he had achieved “ peace in our time ” by allowing Germany to annex Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, after being assured that was the end of Hitler’s territorial ambitions.
Yet Churchill understood the deadly threat that Nazi Germany posed, and the moral necessity in combating it. No amount of negotiations or appeasement could possibly quench the blood thirst of an ideology that was dead-set on murdering its opponents.

That same clear-headedness appears to be in short supply these days. Today, another fascist ideology runs rampant in many parts of the world: radical Islamism. And in recent months, its bloodthirsty worldview has been on full display for the world to see.

On October 7, 1,200 Israelis were massacred by Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic terrorist group that seeks to perpetuate a genocide against the Jewish people with the violent destruction of Israel, just as the Nazis attempted 80 years earlier.

Although Hamas has made no effort to hide its genocidal intentions — and, in fact, actively shares it with anyone who will listen — far too many news outlets in Canada and abroad have framed the terrorist group as a “resistance” movement, whose dispute with Israel is purely territorial in nature, not existential. In this view, Jerusalem simply needs to vacate some of its historic lands and the conflict will abate.

This is pure fantasy. Hamas, in both deed and word, makes clear that it will stop at nothing until the State of Israel — home to nearly half the world’s Jews — is utterly destroyed. Hamas makes no distinction between civilians and combatants, nor between children and adults: they are all marked for death in the eyes of this terrorist group.

Hamas is just one cog in a much larger wheel, all originating in the Islamic Republic of Iran, which arms, funds and trains terrorist groups, including Lebanon’s Hezbollah and the Houthis in Yemen.

There is, quite literally, absolutely nothing Israel can do that would possibly pacify Hamas, but that has not stopped countless pundits, commentators and columnists from demanding that Israel effectively surrender to a demonic death cult that seeks the genocide of millions of people.

Over the last 19 years, since Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, which left zero Israelis in the coastal enclave, Hamas’s rocket capacity has drastically improved; its tunnel system, which has been used to smuggle in huge amounts of weapons, is a marvel of engineering that rivals any world-class subway system in length; and the group boasted tens of thousands of active fighters prior to its October 7 massacre.

Against such a fanatical enemy, driven not just by its extremist religious ideology, but a growing military ability, Israel simply has no choice but to combat Hamas, and to seek its destruction. Over the past 11 months, Israel has sought to do just that, while also setting a new standard in the protection of civilians in war, despite Hamas’s heinous use of its own people as human shields — points that have been widely ignored by the Canadian media.

Just as the United Kingdom and the Allies, including Canada, were morally permitted — and indeed required — to fight the violent menace of Nazi Germany, so too is Israel similarly obligated to fight the scourge of Hamas and other genocidal Islamist terrorist groups, which together threaten its very existence.

The violent threat of radical Islam is hardly a problem isolated to Israel. In recent weeks, an Islamic State plot to attack a Taylor Swift concert in Austria was foiled, suspected terrorists were arrested in Richmond Hill, Ont., allegedly preventing an imminent attack , and an Islamic State terrorist murdered multiple people in Germany. The list goes on.

Next year will mark 80 years since the defeat of Nazi Germany and the end of the Second World War. But it also marks the defeat of Nazi ideology. Since 1945, there have been individuals and groups that profess neo-Nazi ideologies, but they remain on the fringes of society, widely condemned and without any political power. Furthermore, Nazism no longer has territory over which to preside, nor the means and infrastructure to carry out its genocidal ambitions.

Similarly, although Hamas’s hateful ideas may never go away completely, Israel has a duty and a responsibility to ensure it no longer controls territory or maintains a fighting force capable of killing mass numbers of people.

As Churchill said in his first speech as prime minister about what Britain’s policy was against the Nazis, “I can answer in one word: it is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.”

Although our enemies differ, Hamas’s goals are no less existential than the Nazis. Israel and the world’s objective, therefore, must be no different than Churchill’s: victory, victory at all costs against the terrorists of Hezbollah, Hamas and their puppet masters — the Iranian regime.

National Post



NP View: Canada must help bring Hamas down
Jesse Kline: Shameful western media still taking Hamas's fake death tolls at face value

National Post

Just wait for the "Oh Dear" from the Pratt.

[jackspratt]

Eh, verified by who? A 9M crater needs about a 500kg bomb. That will be the first in the long war on terrorism waged by Israel. Why are Israel just starting to use these munitions now. Hamas losing the propaganda war? Far smaller more accurate munitions in the Israeli arsenal.

Oh dear .....

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big ... index.html

Aye Oh Dear, pathetic little man desperately hanging on to every anti- semitic post while saying nothing about the barbaric murdering terrorists actions apart from Israel deserves it.

Oh! dear .....

9M craters/500kg bombs/first time/.....

No rational response.

[jackspratt]

The author of this article seems to have it right. Hamas is a terrorist, not a resistance, organisation.

Mike Fegelman: Just like the Nazis, Hamas cannot be appeased — it must be defeated

Unsurprising point of view from the Jewish Executive Director of an Israeli media advocacy group.

He points to some obvious problems about Hamas as a terrorist group, and its chief supporter, Iran.

Very light on criticism of the IDF carnage in Gaza, and future solutions however.

[AlexO]

Rational is lost on you Pratty, the expert on deflection and untruths.
You might think you win (in the space your brain works in) but you are just showing more and more what a pathetic little man you are.

[AlexO]

The author of this article seems to have it right. Hamas is a terrorist, not a resistance, organisation.

Mike Fegelman: Just like the Nazis, Hamas cannot be appeased — it must be defeated

Unsurprising point of view from the Jewish Executive Director of an Israeli media advocacy group.

He points to some obvious problems about Hamas as a terrorist group, and its chief supporter, Iran.

Very light on criticism of the IDF carnage in Gaza, and future solutions however.

Fail to see your point Pratty. Never see Hamas saying the slaughter of innocents on Oct 7 was unjustifiable.