Future energy sources?

[tamada]

When I was rooting around for oil beyond the black stump in Isisford, hot bore water was all over the place. Having a hot shower on town water in Blackall smelled like a fart. Must be a good argument for geothermal, no? I'll Google it.

Difference Tam.
Barney is talking about a National strategy for future power sources while you were scrabbling about for the next cash cow for an already stupidly rich oil company.

I'm talking about geothermal potential.

Anyway, while you were talking about me, I went searching and found this which is enlightening. Hot water (bore) geothermal is sparse in Queensland but I did learn that Iceland's copious geothermal energy is based on the intense heat of magma.

https://environment.desi.qld.gov.au/man ... geothermal

[tamada]

The plans for the UK's first, utility-scale green hydrogen facility are in the works, about half-an-hour from Aberdeen.

https://stateraenergy.co.uk/news/stater ... en-project

[AlexO]

The plans for the UK's first, utility-scale green hydrogen facility are in the works, about half-an-hour from Aberdeen.

https://stateraenergy.co.uk/news/stater ... en-project

Gnews that the surplus energy is being used.
Just wondering why, if there is so much surplus energy are domestic user prices in Scotland/UK some of the highest in Europe?

[tamada]

The plans for the UK's first, utility-scale green hydrogen facility are in the works, about half-an-hour from Aberdeen.

https://stateraenergy.co.uk/news/stater ... en-project

Gnews that the surplus energy is being used.
Just wondering why, if there is so much surplus energy are domestic user prices in Scotland/UK some of the highest in Europe?

Fourteen years of Tories south of Hadrian's and almost twice as many of the SNP to the north. Plus about fifty years of serial mismanagement of North Sea energy assets by whoever was the incumbent at Westminster.

But it's nae guid greetin' ower spilt milk.

[AlexO]

The plans for the UK's first, utility-scale green hydrogen facility are in the works, about half-an-hour from Aberdeen.

https://stateraenergy.co.uk/news/stater ... en-project

Gnews that the surplus energy is being used.
Just wondering why, if there is so much surplus energy are domestic user prices in Scotland/UK some of the highest in Europe?

Fourteen years of Tories south of Hadrian's and almost twice as many of the SNP to the north. Plus about fifty years of serial mismanagement of North Sea energy assets by whoever was the incumbent at Westminster.

But it's nae guid greetin' ower spilt milk.

Not really a good reason Tam. North Sea assets are the No2 devils brew for the Climate Change/all live in caves champions in the UK. Just think if we had not destroyed the rain forests, oil and gas might still be the energy sources of choice, coal maybe not so much. Does not answer why wind-solar clean/renewable energy is so expensive.

[tamada]

The plans for the UK's first, utility-scale green hydrogen facility are in the works, about half-an-hour from Aberdeen.

https://stateraenergy.co.uk/news/stater ... en-project

Gnews that the surplus energy is being used.
Just wondering why, if there is so much surplus energy are domestic user prices in Scotland/UK some of the highest in Europe?

Fourteen years of Tories south of Hadrian's and almost twice as many of the SNP to the north. Plus about fifty years of serial mismanagement of North Sea energy assets by whoever was the incumbent at Westminster.

But it's nae guid greetin' ower spilt milk.

Not really a good reason Tam. North Sea assets are the No2 devils brew for the Climate Change/all live in caves champions in the UK. Just think if we had not destroyed the rain forests, oil and gas might still be the energy sources of choice, coal maybe not so much. Does not answer why wind-solar clean/renewable energy is so expensive.

I thought you were wondering why historically, domestic user prices in Scotland/UK were some of the highest in Europe. I suggested poor government policies during the decades when climate alarmism wasn't on anyone's radar. In hindsight, probably Brexit and Covid didn't make it any better. What do you think made the cost of energy derived from conventional sources like coal, then oil and gas so expensive in the UK?

Subsequently, you wonder why wind-solar clean/renewable energy is also expensive in the UK. I'm taking your word for that as I haven't done any comparisons. Apart from the fact that's it's comparatively new with technology that's changing at pace so no single renewable is seen as the silver bullet as it's mostly a patchwork of smaller investments in disparate fields like solar, wind, wave, hydro, hydrogen, etc.? That's just my thoughts. What are yours?

[AlexO]

Tam
Absolutely nothing to do with Covid or Brexit. Lots to do with Russia invading Ukraine and the subsequent enforced shortages and rise in gas prices worldwide.
The question is why when Scotland has an oversupply of wind generated energy are the Scots/UK paying very high prices based on some market rate for gas. There are massive subsidies given to the renewable energy companies which eventually filter down to the end users as well. Prices only really started to go off the scale was the illegal invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

[tamada]

Tam
Absolutely nothing to do with Covid or Brexit. Lots to do with Russia invading Ukraine and the subsequent enforced shortages and rise in gas prices worldwide.
The question is why when Scotland has an oversupply of wind generated energy are the Scots/UK paying very high prices based on some market rate for gas. There are massive subsidies given to the renewable energy companies which eventually filter down to the end users as well. Prices only really started to go off the scale was the illegal invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

I didn't say Covid or Brexit were a primary cause, I suggested that they didn't help anybody except possibly those that think they've gotten their borders back. But I digress...

Scotland's contribution to the national network is only about 15% whereas England churns out nearer 72%. Usually, net importers of anything have to pay more for it. Ofgem is the national energy price cap regulator, so they fix the rates.

The following article explains everything else, including Scotland's remoteness of centers for their comparatively small population, the effect of the Ukraine conflict and that the pricing model is still determined by the most expensive generator – electricity produced by burning gas. Scotland's power distribution network is 52% of the nation's power distribution network, but Scotland hosts only 8% of the nation's population. It also looks like the infrastructure isn't up to supporting the growing contribution from renewables either. Putting the cart before the horse?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23351 ... ay-england

PS: I am not a subscriber to or a regular reader of the above-linked broadsheet.

[AlexO]

Tam
Just surprised that the perfectly adequate Grid system pre renewables is to blame for the massive costs being incurred now.
The other question is why when Scottish gas fired energy amounted to 8.5% of the total energy production it is deemed to charge the total energy amount as gas fired. Hopefully the Gov will hammer the energy firms with windfall taxes and pass these monies back to the people, or maybe not!

[tamada]

The national grid was adequate for what was the common source of UK power generation, ie. coal fired and later natural gas. Power stations were built where access to ports, roads and pipelines were colocated with the highest concentration of users and shortest lines of distribution. Lines and the power within them radiate outwards from power stations

Renewable energy is largely generated in less populated and more remote locations. In the rush to embrace the glories of renewables, the fact that on the larger scale of integration that is needed, it is not exactly plug-and-play. An individual consumer can easily add 10kW of solar that will feed back to the national grid during the off-peak. Smaller business can also do the same albeit with more expensive systems. But you can't just plug in a 1.1 GW windfarm located 10 miles offshore into the national grid.

As for the gas-centric basis of Ofgem's price calculation, since gas is still the single largest source of UK energy, it would illogically bad business to base it on the costs of what is for the most part, still a fledgling enterprise with indeterminate costs.

The devolution agreement left the price setting of energy with Westminster. There was never a tangible claim to it being "Scotland's oil", thus any notion of "Scotland's renewables" is equally tenuous.

[AlexO]

Thats why nuclear instead of wind power should have been the preferred option. Most what was previously known as conventional (coal and now gas) power station and yes even the decommissioned nuclear stations were sited near to the sea and integrated as part of the National Grid. If we had built a number of nuclear stations close to these locations then the the massive costs that are being incurred due to these new 'interconnectors' needed to bring the "cheap, stable, green" power so beloved of the Climate Change luvvies would not be required. Its a fairly safe bet that the costs of producing energy sold to the gullible tree huggers never included all these massive additional costs.

[AlexO]

I didn't say Covid or Brexit were a primary cause, I suggested that they didn't help anybody except possibly those that think they've gotten their borders back. But I digress...

So why even post it, unless your trying to score some little political point.
Your hero's, the NEW Liebour have just announced new policies under the departmental leadership of the marvelous Ed Miliband MP. (the pet Jewish person in the Servants of the People cabinet) Apart from his 11 billion giveaway contribution to the fabled 22B black hole, he is intent on beggaring the UK in his quest for carbon neutral by 2030. Why do idiot politico's state unachievable targets in an attempt to placate the slightly less intelligent side of their voter base.

[AlexO]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2krr137x9o
Another example of why the world cannot depend on variable weather dependent energy sources.

[Declan MacPherson]

The red circled portion of this chart shows the amount of "green" energy sources provided to the entire global community. You can easily see that it is very little compared to nuclear, oil, natural gas and coal.

There is no way that "green" energy sources (the Net Zero Mission & Goal) can replace our energy consumption without collapsing every economy in the world.

The mission and goal of "Net Zero" is destructive.

[Udon Map]

There is no way that "green" energy sources (the Net Zero Mission & Goal) can replace our energy consumption without collapsing every economy in the world.

How do you figure that? Why wouldn't green energy industries replace fossil fuel industries?

The mission and goal of "Net Zero" is destructive.

No it's not. How is it destructive?

Although renewable energy accounts for a very small part of energy consumption currently, the fact remains that there is a finite amount of petroleum and natural gas. So if we continue to kick the can down the road, it just means that the problem will become more urgent as time passes. Probably not in our lifetimes, but it will. There's no question that while it's far from urgent now, but it won't be like that forever.

[tamada]

I didn't say Covid or Brexit were a primary cause, I suggested that they didn't help anybody except possibly those that think they've gotten their borders back. But I digress...

So why even post it, unless your trying to score some little political point.
Your hero's, the NEW Liebour have just announced new policies under the departmental leadership of the marvelous Ed Miliband MP. (the pet Jewish person in the Servants of the People cabinet) Apart from his 11 billion giveaway contribution to the fabled 22B black hole, he is intent on beggaring the UK in his quest for carbon neutral by 2030. Why do idiot politico's state unachievable targets in an attempt to placate the slightly less intelligent side of their voter base.

What has the faith of the shadow Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero of the United Kingdom got to do with anything, "unless your trying to score some little political point"?

[Declan MacPherson]

If nuclear, oil, natural gas and coal are outlawed or destroyed by the global Leftists, there's no way that world economies can thrive, much less survive. The "green" energy net zero mission is destructive if it cannot provide the energy necessary for economies to not miss a step.

Wind and solar are inconsistent. Economies need energy consistency to function efficiently and effectively. Forcing countries to use inconsistent energy sources is destructive.

Udon Map wrote: ↑September 27, 2024, 4:58 pm
you seem hell bent on refuting everything I say

[Udon Map]

If nuclear, oil, natural gas and coal are outlawed or destroyed by the global Leftists, there's no way that world economies can thrive, much less survive. The "green" energy net zero mission is destructive if it cannot provide the energy necessary for economies to not miss a step.

I agree. But what makes you think that it's going to happen tomorrow? We're a long way, many years, from that happening. Look at coal. Use of coal is way down, but there have been no catastrophic effects from that transition.

Source: US Energy Information Administration

In fact, energy from renewable energy sources now exceeds energy from coal.

Wind and solar are inconsistent. Economies need energy consistency to function efficiently and effectively.

True, indeed. But the problem isn't that renewable energy sources can't be consistent, -- it's that they aren't yet. As renewable sources become more common, and sophisticated, they'll also be more consistent. With more energy sourced from renewables, perhaps eventually a national renewable electric grid will emerge. It's always windy somewhere in the U.S.

Forcing countries to use inconsistent energy sources is destructive.

Can you explain, please? I don't understand how. People said the same thing when the CAFE standards were imposed on the auto industry in 1975. Yet the auto industry adapted and survived.

[Declan MacPherson]

Can you explain, please?

I have stated my view.

[Udon Map]

Can you explain, please?

I have stated my view.

Yes, you have. You seem to have a penchant for stating your opinion as fact and then declining to provide any evidence to support your position when it is questioned. Your choosing to provide nothing to support your positions might lead the casual observer to conclude that there there is nothing and you have simply provided an unsupported opinion based on nothing.