Second Ring Road Plans

[anefarious1]

^ That's got to be a "phase 1" effort with an upgrade of the current 2-way road between Nong Sai and the ring road traffic lights. Anyone who uses that junction knows that just the local traffic inbound from Nong Sai can take about 20 minutes and 4 traffic light changes just to get through during morning rush hours.

Compared to Nong Sai, Sam Phrao has the bigger population yet it has even more limited options in terms of access to other parts of the city. At the very least, Nong Sai and Sam Phrao need to be properly linked up. And of course the terrible situation at the ring road junctions needs addressing. I'm hoping for a bridge within the next 5 years at the global house intersection.

[tamada]

^ That's got to be a "phase 1" effort with an upgrade of the current 2-way road between Nong Sai and the ring road traffic lights. Anyone who uses that junction knows that just the local traffic inbound from Nong Sai can take about 20 minutes and 4 traffic light changes just to get through during morning rush hours.

Compared to Nong Sai, Sam Phrao has the bigger population yet it has even more limited options in terms of access to the Ring Road. Nong Sai and Sam Phrao need to be linked up. And of course the terrible situation at the ring road junctions needs addressing. I'm hoping for a bridge within the next 5 years at the global house intersection.

Yes, the Sam Phrao junction is also very busy but at least the road surface of the ring road there isn't corrugated like the Nong Sai junction. You can still 'fly' across the Global junction but throw in three skylabs and half a dozen step-through with 4-up at the Nong Sai lights, then the crawl across the ring road onto Soi Nongbua becomes glacial.

Maybe that's part of the 'master' plan where some Sam Phrao residents can opt to use the 'southern' route in/out of town via the Nong Sai bypass? Come into the city from the east as well as the northeast?

Given Udon traffic planner's repeated ability to build sparsely used flyovers and leave the bulk of traffic STILL idling at traffic lights underneath, which orientation would be the most effective bridge at the Sam Phrao junction, north-south or east-west?

[FrazeeDK]

why go for some humongous 4 lane overpass? Why not a two lane one that allows one lane each way to go over both the Sahm Phrao and Nong Sai intersections. Would be quicker to build too. They've done plenty of those big concrete 2 lane U-turns down south of Khorat. So they got it all standardized.. But, I'd reckon too that any traffic analysis of the traffic likely would show that most traffic is headed to and from Nong Khai and the border so if they get cracking on the outer Ring Road, at least one that goes around the east side from Rte 2 south of Non Soong to Rte 22 near Ban Champa to Rte 2 on the Nong Khai side near the Ban Pheu road it should lessen Ring Road traffic substantially.

Throughout the city they need actual traffic management that would include one way roads, and actual traffic enforcement. Down near Nong Bua Market by the railroad tracks is a particular nightmare.

[Whistler]

How much time would we save each trip if traffic lights changed from red to green a few more times than 3 minutes, 2 minutes etc. Crazy sitting at a red light for ages while very few vehicles are crossing under a green light. Intersection near Global a great example. Anafarious must have at least 3 cycles of those awful lights to get onto the ring Rd

[tamada]

How much time would we save each trip if traffic lights changed from red to green a few more times than 3 minutes, 2 minutes etc. Crazy sitting at a red light for ages while very few vehicles are crossing under a green light. Intersection near Global a great example. Anafarious must have at least 3 cycles of those awful lights to get onto the ring Rd

Good point. I go through the global lights at least six times a day and the tailbacks on the ring road seem longer when the lights are under manual control. Does the cop increase the green time to/from Sam Phrao and leave the ring road light cycle times as-is or does he screw around with everyone? I did note on the morning it was raining and he didn't come to work, the junction looked less busy and less jammed up on the standard, automatic light timing. That's with less bikes and more cars due to the rain.

How about using the filter lights once in a while? If they increased the length of the right turn filter lanes and used the filter lights, that would greatly improve the flow too.

[tamada]

why go for some humongous 4 lane overpass? Why not a two lane one that allows one lane each way to go over both the Sahm Phrao and Nong Sai intersections. Would be quicker to build too. They've done plenty of those big concrete 2 lane U-turns down south of Khorat. So they got it all standardized.. But, I'd reckon too that any traffic analysis of the traffic likely would show that most traffic is headed to and from Nong Khai and the border so if they get cracking on the outer Ring Road, at least one that goes around the east side from Rte 2 south of Non Soong to Rte 22 near Ban Champa to Rte 2 on the Nong Khai side near the Ban Pheu road it should lessen Ring Road traffic substantially.

Throughout the city they need actual traffic management that would include one way roads, and actual traffic enforcement. Down near Nong Bua Market by the railroad tracks is a particular nightmare.

I see what you're saying with a narrower, single lane, 2-way flyover. They have them in Bangkok where width contraints on the likes of Rama IV and Petchburi made them practical. However, with the volume of heavy trucks going on the ring road, you'll end up with them hogging the right-hand, "fast" lane and buggering up the slow traffic keep left "rule" more than usual.

[semperfiguy]

I am contemplating purchasing land to the northwest of Udon and am interested to see it's proximity to the proposed new outer Ring Road. I know there has been much discussion of this in the past, and maps were even posted on the forum, but I can't seem to locate them now. Could someone please direct me to maps and previous discussion of the matter. Thanks in advance for your comments/suggestions.

[Chungju]

It has been at least been discussed under the topic “second ring road plans”

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28132&sid=b0478c13 ... f1880cad40

[semperfiguy]

Thanks to all of you for your help!

[Barney]

Whatever happened to the second ring road plan?

Had a non-forum member ask me about the new ring road and if a purchase of land or house would be affected.

[FrazeeDK]

it faded from budget plans supposedly. There is the planned Udon Thani to Bueng Khan highwyay that might be part of the issue. It is planned to cut northeast from Rte 2 just north of the Khumpawapi exit and be built northeast, crossing Rte 22 (Sakhon Nakhon road) about 10 kilometers west on Nong Han then pass east of Ban Dung and on up to Bueang Khan. Since that road intersects with Rte 22 it gives any traffic heading to Sakhon Nakhon or NKP a detour around Udon. Now, would that road also have an additional highway that goes from it northwest back into Route 2 north of Udon? I don't know.

[Bandung_Dero]

I have heard, on the jungle drums, that has been put on the back burner as well??? We have a member who could clarify as some of his land was going be requisitioned.

That route was to link the new Laos bridge in Bueang Khan with highways to Bangkok. I can't see where it had anything to do with a ring road around Udon.

[Drunk Monkey]

According to my local government sauce the bulldozzers moved in on Bang Dung years ago adding running water and electric for 8 hours per day .. im informed since then the local candlestick maker has closed and burning rubbish in front of your house is allowed during the hours of darkness which in Ban Dung is most of the time.

As high ranking pillars (check spell) of the community im sure both Jack n BDD will confirm my news update.

Back on topic ... maybe the second ring road was just a ruse to get lots of unused land sold off to those pesky Chinese investors , not saying in any way this was a planned event purely coinsidential.

DM

[tamada]

I have heard, on the jungle drums, that has been put on the back burner as well??? We have a member who could clarify as some of his land was going be requisitioned.

That route was to link the new Laos bridge in Bueang Khan with highways to Bangkok. I can't see where it had anything to do with a ring road around Udon.

Since it appears that it would, like pretty much everything and everyone else, bypass and totally avoid Ban Dung, it's perfectly understandable that you'd fail to see the significance of its creation with regard to a SECOND Udon Thani ring road.

Since it appears to have been binned, probably to help pay for that new bridge across the Chao Phraya in Bangkok, just 100 meters from the existing one, I guess the great "Isaan Bypass" will just get longer, wider and deeper.