City centre redevelopment.

Post by **Jing Jing** » April 11, 2008, 7:16 pm

When youlookat the CP website all of their projects appear to be new shopping centers. For example

Central Pattana Public Company Limited ("the Company") is currently undertaking the development of Central Festival Pattaya Beach Project, which consists of a 7-storey shopping complex with approximate gross area of 100,000 square meter and a 19-storey hotel with 300 guest rooms and approximate gross area of 32,000 square meter. The Company's policy is to seek investor(s) to invest in the hotel portion. In order to prepare for new investments of the hotel, the Company has established CPN Pattaya Beach Hotel Company Limited ("the Subsidiary"), with authorized share capital of 1 million baht and 25% paid up capital, on February 25, 2008. The Company will initially hold 99.99% of such shares, during the process of seeking investor(s) for the hotel.The purposes of forming this Subsidiary are to clearly separate the operations between the shopping complex and the hotel and to prepare for investment by future hotel investor(s).

Maybe CP had to buy the Complex in order to have a free hand in the future to build a new shopping center where ever they like.

Post by **trubrit** » April 12, 2008, 1:05 pm

Was in Tawan Daeng last night, apparently thats coming down too, later this month.Shame, one of my favourite getting to know you places.

Post by **Prenders88** » April 12, 2008, 1:12 pm

trubrit wrote:Was in Tawan Daeng last night, apparently thats coming down too, later this month.Shame, one of my favourite getting to know you places.

It is a shame, it's a famous venue.
Does anyone know where the club will relocate to?

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 12, 2008, 1:19 pm

Maybe CP had to buy the Complex in order to have a free hand in the future to build a new shopping center where ever they like.

you think?

Post by **saint** » April 12, 2008, 3:31 pm

i was told that d2 also is going and apparently they are the only ones getting any compensation. god knows what they spent doing the place 5 minutes ago.

Post by **saint** » April 12, 2008, 3:37 pm

i dunno about you guys, and im not a great regular to soi farang, but i think that area is udons soul. the place just aint gonna be the same. and a nice new shopping complex might be good to start with , but has anyone had a good look at the present complex, its falling to bits, that will only get worse .

Post by **dick1945** » April 12, 2008, 3:54 pm

hi guys

I am total uninformed abouth the future of the complex-area and second the plaza area next to the trainstation. Who is taking over the complex area and what they ho to do? And the same question for the plaza area. Somebody can inform me in simple answers??? Thanks alot.
dick

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 12, 2008, 4:09 pm

The present complex, not sure if that includes the hotel, it appears negotiations are under way for mutual benefits. but robinson and shopping mall, along with farang alley, d2, and all the way down to the corner, including tawan daeng. i'm guessing up to and possible including the corner buffet in other direction, but almost all that is on that street, which is a private road, hence no police stops or booting of cars in the past.

also possibley in talks with ud center, as a possible joint thing, not sure how that would work, a bit separated.

Central, of department store and many other interest are taking charge. which is very nice, if a small copy of the chitlom central, w/food court, would be nice upgrade for udon. whether they get their investment back in our lifetime is extremely marginal, but nothing like being first. hopefully that long rumored carrefour will show up, and they say any new ones will be in the pattaya style. simply those 2, along with the usual tag along shops, BK, and i'm one happy camper. these 2 know the importance of parking, so a large parking garage should be in the game plan. they should keep the parking under present mall for motorbikes only, and make the private road, no longer a road.

that's my take on the whole thing. and optomistic thoughts. in that case, i may hang around after little one gets thru school.

Post by **Naam Jai** » April 18, 2008, 8:24 pm

So what will happen to all the bar girls? Will they be redeveloped? Some of them need it. ( apparently)

Post by **Guns482** » May 25, 2008, 8:39 am

Yes interesting that central has purchased the site, i do know that parking is very high on the agenda as Minor foods group still ant their seperate access to the cinema and sizzler and the bowling alley at the top of the complex.
As for the road,access to the hotel and the complex for unloading and guests ill be a must, howver in front of the complex possible pedestrianisation will be contemplated.

The charoneon family came unstuck in thier financial dealings regarding Udon centre and the many other dealings so they have lost the best prime site in udon to pay off their debts, however they are still a force to be reckoned with , but their corruption on planning and infrastructure has gone ,hopfully for a very long time, for Udon's sake.

Post by **trubrit** » May 26, 2008, 6:57 pm

Well Guns. I will not dignify your post by re quoting it here, it is at the least , highly inaccurate and potentially libelous. First of all there is NO Chareon family. Khun Hanchai the previous owner and last Mayor of Udon, now incidentally , the elected Senator for the town, whilst another family member has become Mayor, he's brother in law , I believe, named the complex after his aged father, Khun Chareon and I believe , his mother, whose name was Sri. In Thailand the name Chareon, means , very high and is considered very lucky, thats why many, mainly Chinese Thai businesses have this in their trading title.
As for your derogatory comments about corruption and debts. I hope you are in a position to prove these, or you will have the decency to apologise and withdraw them. If you intend to reside in Udon I would advise that you do.

Post by **westerby** » May 26, 2008, 8:04 pm

trubrit wrote:As for your derogatory comments about corruption and debts. I hope you are in a position to prove these, or you will have the decency to apologise and withdraw them. If you intend to reside in Udon I would advise that you do.

Well Guns,

That's you suitably chastised - stand in the corner until you can tell the rest of the class the true meaning of corruption.

Wait a minute, this isn't another attempt at humour by Trubrit is it?

Post by **BobHelm** » May 26, 2008, 8:25 pm

And, of course, I am sure that there was a completely logical & sound explanation as to why the UD site was never granted planning permission. This, of course, had nothing what so ever to do with a conflict of interests on the part of the city officials or a huge drop in the value of the "Soi Falang" site if it had been allowed to proceed. Those, I am sure, were mere co-incidence as people in positions of power in Thailand are renown for their fairness & honesty.

Post by **som** » May 26, 2008, 8:29 pm

LOL

Post by **aznyron** » May 26, 2008, 8:36 pm

I have a question will they close down all the computer shops & mobil phone shops on the second floor for there renovation ? IMO I think it will be a nice improvement when it completed and more stores to shop. of course some of the business will be missed since they may be priced out of business but that is progress

Post by **wizard** » May 27, 2008, 5:17 am

trubrit wrote: Replying to Gunns.

Khun Hanchai the previous owner and last Mayor of Udon, now incidentally , the elected Senator for the town.

Whilst another family member has become Mayor, he's brother in law.

As for your derogatory comments about corruption and debts. I hope you are in a position to prove these, or you will have the decency to apologise and withdraw them. If you intend to reside in Udon I would advise that you do.

And you say there is no corruption trubrit. Nepotism comes to my mind and you have the audacity to have a go at Gunns. Are you on the payroll as well as being a standover hoodlum.

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » May 27, 2008, 8:24 am

actually i think trubrit was just trying to give gunns a heads up. this is a public forum. no matter your opinion of thailand and local politics, to accuse someone of something here, especially a person in politcal circles wouldn't be the best idea. without proof, you could easy find yourself in a lot of trouble. libel suits are very common and easily won.

public forum, being read by people who possible can get a red stamp put in your passport. don't forget where you are, and what you can and can't do. we are guest, and that can be taken away at anytime.

i do believe other forum members have had a problems in this area, by simply expressing their thoughts.

i keep my opinion to myself on most matters of thailand and local politics, as i haven't got a clue how they do such a fine job.

i save my praise for monthly therapy session

Post by **trubrit** » May 27, 2008, 9:04 am

wizard wrote:

And you say there is no corruption trubrit. Nepotism comes to my mind and you have the audacity to have a go at Gunns. Are you on the payroll as well as being a standover hoodlum.

Where did I say there is no corruption? of course there is, allover the world wherever money changes hands.Just look at the recent disclosures from the UK about Blair and his cronies buying property on the "expenses". Our shirt isn't very white, maybe we should wash it some more before crtiticising our host country and its failings.My point whether you like it or not, is that we are all here as guests of the Thai people and as such should not criticise what is after all, a long standing way of life for them.We are currently still regarded as welcome guests. I for one try to do my part in keeping it that way but it has been noted by some local people, that this forum in general is very critical of many things Thai.From the schooling, immigration, driving, dishonesty and even the morals of the Thai women.Now I am not saying from a farang viewpoint that these aren't justified criticisms. they may well be, but we are never the less, guests here and as such should we really be so openly critical of our hosts?
I for one get very annoyed when I hear immigrants in the UK complaining about aspects of our lifestyle that doesn't match their expectations. My immediate reaction is, well pee off then.Why should you think our hosts , the Thai people, would feel any different?
I am already noticing amongst some members of officialdom a hardening of attitude towards us. It can't be coincidence that immigration rules are getting tighter and others in more farang populated areas are experiencing the beginning of a backlash.Do we really want our lives in Udon, which , up to now, has generally been very good, spoiled forever by a few individuals that have nothing better to do, than sit at a keyboard complaining about everything Thai that happens around them.I am sure you will all be aware that this forum is scrutinised on a daily basis by at least two government departments that I am aware of, and that two members have already received visits regarding their postings, fortunately without further action.
If any one is still in doubt about what I am saying, let me tell you a little story.
Some new people moved into a neighbour hood, the people next door, who had lived there a long while thought it would be a good idea to extend the hand of friendship to them, so invited them to a dinner party. At this party the host opened a bottle of very nice wine, but much to his surprise the guests criticised it, saying they had better where they lived before.
Now what would be your reaction if you were that host?Bang him on the head with the bottle? No , far too confrontational. better just say nothing but never invite him again.Now thats where we stand with the Thai people , if we are not careful, no confrontation directly, but suddenly we may come to realise we are getting the cold shoulder. Do we really want that?

Post by **stattointhailand** » May 27, 2008, 10:03 am

=D> Excellent post trubrit, I for one have to remember sometimes that what I say (post) 'tongue in cheek', can be read in a different way by someone without my wierd sense of humour.

Post by **Bump** » May 27, 2008, 10:11 am

You know interestingly enough, on my first trip to Udon about eight years ago now. I was seated on the plane next to a Thai lady, who spoke very good english She told me that she did not dislike farrangs but really was disgusted with what they do. I asked what that was? They are changing Thailand. I was in love with the place really didn't understand what she was talking about. I think I do now.

Udon is a very different place then I originally fell in love with. Some of those changes have been good fo farrangs others have not been good for anybody with the exception of earning money.

I am one of those member that came under scrutiny, again being slow on the draw didn't understand it. How in the world could someone like me have any impact here. I didn't have any impact, but I was acting very ungrateful for what this country gave me. Looking back a lot of it had no effect on me and it really wasn't my business. So these days I try to think before I react to how things are run here.

Some of the feed back I was getting was that Thai people, simply cold not believe how cruel we were one another on the forum. Hey I'm as guilty as anyone

Now the absolute truth is you can make a good life here. Or you can make yourself very miserable trying to fit into square hole you being a round peg. You can carve out the lifestyle you want. Probably the hardest thing is really defining what that is, there are so many options.

Maybe some day we will realize that we came here because it was different. Hopefully embrace those differences. we all have the option of packing the bag and leaving, but if we want to be happy here, we have learn to adapt to being here. That is no one's responsiblity but our own.

Being critical of other societies, really serves no good. Whether it be Thailand, the UK or America. In the end the only lifes we can make better here is our own. What happens beyond that is something we have no control over.

My apologies I'm now goign to read the thread, True Brit just hit something of real importance to all of us who live here. It is also something that individually we can do something about.