A dilemma - of sorts!

[laphanphon]

think that you should name the pr~ck

wasn't me

I learned that boxing is not fighting,kicking ass with whatever it takes to win has been with me since the 4 th grade and it has always been successful,but dangerous!

yep, no such thing as a friendly fight, friends don't fight. very sad, we have to be very careful, it doesn't take much to inflict serious damage, hospital or jail aren't pleasant.

main reason i didn't frequent bars in states or here now. can't tolerate the idiots, and since having no rights here to protect yourself, i'm not missing anything by keeping myself out of harms way. not much of a drinker anyway. usually home bound before sunset, except night market excursions.

good advice, simply avoiding him and locations. use this opportunity to explore other venues. but in future, you be the one calling BIB or tourist police, get it on record, and sooner or later, they won't be able to ignore him.

[Bump]

Well good for you, I have now walked away so many times I'm just sick of it. But it is the best thing to do. Problem with most jerks is they just keep coming until you really put them in thier place. I agree never had a friendly fight if it gets to that I will do all I can to the person as quickly as I can. So I think changing my policy would be a big mistake.

Changing where you go up to you, I have done so simply because it is the best for me. Fortunately I seldom drink. Guess it depends on how important it is to you.

Just live your life, he may have gotten the message and you might be concerned for no reason. If it esclates then go to the cops.

[marjamlew]

how many people out and about in udon on a day to day basis? 100?? more?? the odds are pretty good that there will be a few dills (no offence dill) and dropkicks amongst them. most barflys over time develop a bit of a sixth sense about them and can avoid contact. a loud mouth, splashing money about, treating people like dirt, getting smashed and getting in blues is about the worst kind. i for one avoid them like the plague whenever I can. and walk away when I have to.

[zoomzoom]

Naming and shaming is probably not going to be tolerated by the moderators but there is enough info already,50 yrs old approx,has a 300k baht kitchen,throws 1000 bahts around like confetti,manhandles bargirls at every opportunity and is known by 2 bar owners,probably soi sauce otherwise plenty of forumites here who had frequented up2u and aussie would have recognised this *****.
The bar owners of course welcome stacks of cash,helps their cashflow but turn a blind eye to cheap charlies like myself (OOPS),cheapish charlies, who want to feel welcomed in a bar without having to drink a beer next to a *****.
Presumably zoom we will not be seeing you both on home 3 cable tonight at 6pm

I reckon you have it spot on mate and so, probably, know who I'm talking about!!

Many thanks to all others for the advice.

The fact that it is so varied highlights my dilemma.

I have never been one who goes looking for trouble but find it very hard to walk away if trouble comes looking for me.

I don't see why I should change my lifestyle, haunts etc because of another, as I would see that is letting him win and no doubt brag about the fact.

Fortunately, I stopped going into his main haunt a couple of months ago for a, totally, different reason - I thought that I had been asked to pay a bar bill twice (for the second time) and so chose to vote with my feet.

However, because UT's ferang community is so parochial that I don't doubt our paths will cross again.

Hopefully, when that happens he will not attempt to provoke me or resort to violence but should that happen I think, now, that I will follow the advice of a number of posters and just call the Tourist Police.

Eventually, he may then get the message that his boorish behaviour (I had never known him to be physically violent before) will not be tolerated.

Once again, thanks to all who posted, the replies were much appreciated.

Fortunately, he only spends 3 months at a time here as he then works abroad for the next three months.

[jingjai]

I would appreciate the feedback, of board members, to this situation.
About 6/7 months ago I had occasion to object to another Englishman's behaviour in Udon.
Ever since, though, after he "groped" my g/f, who is a respectable Thai lady, and I then insisted that he apologise (publicly) he has had a problem with me, as you might expect (given that I caused him to lose face).
Advice please!

What I don't quite understand is why some of you guys would take your
"respectable Thai lady" to a farang bar.
But as they say here in the LOS, "up to you".

You asked for advice, here is mine:
"Revenge is a dish best served cold".

[BKKSTAN]

I would appreciate the feedback, of board members, to this situation.
About 6/7 months ago I had occasion to object to another Englishman's behaviour in Udon.
Ever since, though, after he "groped" my g/f, who is a respectable Thai lady, and I then insisted that he apologise (publicly) he has had a problem with me, as you might expect (given that I caused him to lose face).
Advice please!

What I don't quite understand is why some of you guys would take your
"respectable Thai lady" to a farang bar.
But as they say here in the LOS, "up to you".

You asked for advice, here is mine:
"Revenge is a dish best served cold".

Does that mean ''coldcock'' him>

[laphanphon]

Fortunately, he only spends 3 months at a time here as he then works abroad for the next three months.

they can't tolerate him either

[jingjai]

Does that mean ''coldcock'' him>

I think these would be more fun:

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Even-Comp ... 0818403144

[cali4995]

Usually, people that obnoxious get waylaid by a small gang somewhere along
the path. Sadly the bad behavior tends to tarnish the whole group. I've always
found Thais to be generally predictable but drunken farangs, No. It's difficult
when you're sober and some sloppy drunk is pawing at you and acting like an
inebriated sailor. Sometimes it all just passes your patience threshold.

[Pakawala]

To cali4995, nice narrative, well written but,... the original poster was asking for ADVICE on how to handle the situation... any suggestion(s)?

Not surprisingly, my attitude is very much in line with BKK Stan and aznyron. But then, since we're all ex-sailors, maybe that's just how we were taught to handle things. I can't imagine my outrage if this clown had 'touched' my wife. I'm afraid I would have 'lost' it completely and I wouldn't have let my 67 yr old body hesitate to lay this guy out.

[zoomzoom]

An update!!


Tonight, the whole thing got more crazy!

The guy concerned spotted me outside a bar and asked me if he could have a private word.

This I, gladly, agreed to.

He apologised for what had happened, saying that he remembered nothing .

That "nothing" included his actions outside of Richmond.

Nothing, of his actions in the Police Station and NOTHING of his actions in "groping" my girlfriend.

Indeed, I had to be placatory to the extreme when I explained to him that he had apologised to her, as he vehemently denied that any such occasion had ever taken place, as I could see that he was about to go "AWOL" again!

He then insisted that because he was so in love with his Thai wife that he always stood apart from any Thai female who attempted to even stand close to him!

Touching, he said, was never an option!

The guy was in, absolute, self denial!

Interesting, I thought!

It was later, however, confirmed by one of his "friends" (my acquaintance) that it was not the first time that he had acted as he did in the violent sense although, interestingly, he categorically, denied that he had NEVER, EVER hit anyone in his life before - even at school!!

Instead, he proceeded to tell me that I was, probably, the most unpopular guy in UT - As every time he returned from working abroad that he was confronted with "tales" about the ways in which I had upset every ferang in Udon and that nobody likes me etc., etc and that everyone likes him!

Ho hum!

[pompui]

So one of his friends is a friend of you zoom,does your friend think so much of him to stay his friend,hopefully not a hanger on enjoying free drinks from him.
Can you tell us forumites which 3 month period he likes to come to Udon,either for us to ignore the area he frequents or take a holiday ourselves?
Am more than concerned he is the type of farang who remembers nothing of his actions from the night before or pretends not to while gloriously drunk.
As said before he is no doubt known to the tourist police and it just needs a few more incidents before he will then realise that his visa stamp has been cancelled and he is then not invited back to Thailand.
Probably he is a forumite also as well as your friends and so has read what a ***** he is and who always will be.

[Ricohoc]

I'd like to have a list of his favorite haunts ...

We can either use that list to avoid him ... Or we can use that list to quietly and effectively help zoom take care of business.

[pompui]

PM me zoom with the bar names,as the barowners are happy to accept his money and behaviour in their bars as you have mentioned before. Maybe I would see the bar owners in a different light just like the *****.
Or maybe there is more to this commotion that you are letting on,is your friend,the friend of this *****,willing to stop going out with him?As the ***** is here for 3 mths only,maybe he should be spending his quality time with the wife he loves sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.

[laphanphon]

i think he is beyond the 12 steps. forgets and denies, classic stuff. how do they get so old, usually they run into the wrong or right person sooner of later, and gets his butt capped. you go dog. well, shanked here, not enough guns out there

[Mr Natural]

Zoom, pm me a list of his haunts also. You said he punched you at a table outside of the resturant. On most nights the owner is sitting at that table. If the owner wittnesses the a-hole attack another customer and still allows the a-hole in his resturant, then I for one would stop spending my money there.

[laphanphon]

I for one would stop spending my money there.

ditto, no matter what the a-hole spends a night, the propietor should try to ensure his customers have a relaxed, safe enviroment.

[saint]

L A is right in what he says, in england if a bar manager or owner let him get away with that behaviour they would loose thier license to sell alcahol, and if your english zoom you know that. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nobody wants to be out enjoying themselves constantly looking over thier shoulder. and if the pr~ck cant remember what he does when hes drunk then he sould NOT DRINK.

[tingtongfalang]

An update!!


Tonight, the whole thing got more crazy!

The guy concerned spotted me outside a bar and asked me if he could have a private word.

This I, gladly, agreed to.

He apologised for what had happened, saying that he remembered nothing .

That "nothing" included his actions outside of Richmond.

Nothing, of his actions in the Police Station and NOTHING of his actions in "groping" my girlfriend.

Indeed, I had to be placatory to the extreme when I explained to him that he had apologised to her, as he vehemently denied that any such occasion had ever taken place, as I could see that he was about to go "AWOL" again!

He then insisted that because he was so in love with his Thai wife that he always stood apart from any Thai female who attempted to even stand close to him!

Touching, he said, was never an option!

The guy was in, absolute, self denial!

Interesting, I thought!

It was later, however, confirmed by one of his "friends" (my acquaintance) that it was not the first time that he had acted as he did in the violent sense although, interestingly, he categorically, denied that he had NEVER, EVER hit anyone in his life before - even at school!!

Instead, he proceeded to tell me that I was, probably, the most unpopular guy in UT - As every time he returned from working abroad that he was confronted with "tales" about the ways in which I had upset every ferang in Udon and that nobody likes me etc., etc and that everyone likes him!

Ho hum!

Great Zoom! Now get him off alone somewhere again and just beat the **** out of him! He won't remember who did it.

[Irish Alan]

What I don't quite understand is why some of you guys would take your "respectable Thai lady" to a farang bar.

In my experience it is irrelevant where you take your lady. There are so many perverts in this town they will strike anywhere.

1. When I lived in Pattaya I was on a songtau. A pretty girl sat across from me dressed in smart trousers, white blouse and sported an ID card like she worked in a bank/office. 2 ar5eholes got on and one proceeded to proposition her. She held up her hand showing a wedding ring and said she had a husband. He thought no meant yes until the poor girl rang the bell and got off no doubt before she reached her destination.

Here girls will be propositioned no matter where they work... banks, post offices, restaurants and offices. Fahlang with money thinks EVERY girl in this kingdom is available and the word NO means you just need to try harder.

I was in a restaurant with my g/f, note restaurant with no bargirls. We paid our bill and as we left I went to the hong naam. When I got back I seen my g/f looking a bit shell shocked. This little old fat guy is standing beside her and she says, "Honey do not understand what he says!" He thinks she is standing there to attract customers and he asked her to go with him to his hotel. Then as he realises we are together his face at first just ghostly turns a whiter shade of pale.

I ask him if I can help and he backs down and is all apologies. I have a little word in his ear. He is about 20 years older and 20 inches shorter than me so he shakes my hand and that is the end of it.

Anyway… I am 99% sure I know this guy you speak of and he is all wind and piss. Bear in mind he has a lot to lose. He has told you about his big house and he no doubt demonstrated his lovely vehicle. Does the words, “You need a slap!” ring any bells? In my days of singledom I was leaving a bar (he just rang the bell) and he asked me where I was going and told me to stay if I didn’t want a slap. I humoured him but made sure to buy him and his poor wife a drink before I left.

Have you ever met him outside his comfort zone, i.e. not in a bar with his hangers-on? He is a completely different animal. I consider myself very fortunate… He owes me money. He made a bet with me and lost and made a complete ar5ehole of himself. I’ve seen him on the escalator on Tesco/Lotus and then on the escalator in Big C and he looks the other way. He is a spineless *****.

His choices are limited with the demise of fahlang alley. You want to know where he drinks, look at the map. He loves attention. He will go to ALL of the bars if it can satisfy his lust for attention. Last time I seen him was in Mojo’s… The pool competition was on so nobody was interested in him. He knocked back 1 drink and his little lackey toddled on after him. You do not need to know his name… When you hear his mouth you will know. I call him Mister Thrush, the most irritating cu*t in Udon Thani.